Mark Benson: I've been relatively lenient (what with all this >>>copyright discussion and all)
Marten: >The copyright discussion was very much on topic. It is beyond me that >you can't see that. Vintage Macs isn't only about hardware but also >about the (copyrighted) software without which the hardware is >useless, and the peripheral hardware you also cannot live without. I agree. The one who was OT was the guy who complained & left the building. On the copyright topic: Mark Benson: >>$80 for 8.6) but they are still selling it retail. Therefore those >>companies are missing out on custom from people if they use a copied pickle: >Yeah, but they don't have any claim to the loss because they aren't the >copyright holder. That'd be like Apple complaining that eBay allows the sales >of old Macs, which is obviously *not* beneficial to Apple's revenue stream... Almost, IMO. The difficulty is that hardware can be sold assingle non-mulipyable items, or 'goods' and if you're buyer, it's your 'property' then. That's easy. Also easy are hiring, borrowing etc, all because these concepts deal with things that break when you drop it. Trading old Macs on eBay works like that. Apple may *want* to stop it, but they can't because the goods changed owner and now the goods are beyond their reach. The SW-companies seem to regard every copy of their stuff still very much their 'property'. The hardware concepts of clearly identifyable ownership don't apply to software, as years of piracy and this thread make more than clear. The fact that software IS copyable makes it all pretty messy. As I understand you all, the software industry came with 'pay and become the lgitimate user' instead of 'paying and become the owner'. The impossibility of post-licencing obsolete software seems to be the most annoying fact. Now, what useful concepts are there at ou disposal for that? 1. stuatus quo - simply do nothing. Not much risk if you're using it at home, but tricky if you want to use old stuff professionally. 2. a paypool. The musci industry has one. For the use of music, you pay to an organisation, which in turn takes care of payment to the artists. Works if everybody agrees, and that's what makes the difference between little musicians and big software houses. 3. Pay for the current version and talk them into into accepting that the license applies to the old version instead. I actually asked such a question once to MS, regarding Office. The man was highly surprised that we wanted to stay 'that backward' but said he had to ask (...). Never hear from him. With software of which the developer has dissapeared, this is a bit harder. But then again, he or she didn't clear up his business/leave a note when closing the door. Overall, it seems to me that an industry-wide change of paradigma is needed, which, of course, is hard. Or are there easier ways? �mart -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> Vintage Macs list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml> The FAQ: <http://macfaq.org/> Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
