RE: Face ID hit or miss

[bentleyj1952]

Dennis,

Thanks for the link for submitting feedback to Apple.

I'll be explaining to Apple how important touch I D is for me.  And, I don't 
care where it is located on the phone.  I do not even necessarily  need a home 
button but, touch I D is extremely important for me.  Glad I don't live in a 
location where I have to wear gloves to protect my hands from frost bite.

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 10:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I agree submit feedback to 
Feedback.apple.com 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
cory...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

One of my google phones has it on the power button as mentioned in my last 
email, and the other has it on the screen. I'm not sure what's taking apple so 
long to add this feature. 

C
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

That is simply speculation at this point, it is probably more likely they would 
come up with under-screen Touch Id which means that you put your finger on a 
certain area of the screen and that the scanner is embedded under the screen 
and it will read your finger print that way.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I read somewhere that on a future iPhone, they were going to put a fingerprint 
option in the Power Button. I probably would like that, although that is not a 
deal breaker in my case. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I like the finger print much better.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to do 
back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me, I have 
tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with the 
fingerprint, that’s for sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face ID 
> that makes it more forgiving. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
>> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
>> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
>> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
>> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>> tempting in the past. 
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
>>> we could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>> 
>>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
>>> but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
>>> will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
>>> people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make 
>>> it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do 
>>> as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it 
>>> gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know 
>>> voice over said it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. 
>>> This is just speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which 
>>> to experiment.  

Re: Snooze alarm.

[joseph hudson]

You don't type it in. It's a picker. So you'll take your finger and slide it up 
to adjust it or slide it down. Depending on which way you wanna go. It's really 
not a slide. It's more like a flick up.

> On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I was trying to add a new alarm. 2 P.M. was the last setting I saw. I saw no 
> way to type in 3 A.M. 
> 
> Thank you, Joseph! I finally got Snooze turned off! 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> joseph hudson
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 3:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Snooze alarm.
> 
> OK, are you trying to edit occur an alarm or add a new one? If you're adding 
> a new one, there is a picker, on mine that says 2 o'clock. I can easily flip 
> up or down to adjust the hour. Or the minute. And if you're in the alarm, the 
> snooze button is just directly past the sound button. And mine currently says 
> on.
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 2:33 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I Pressed Edit, but found no snooze and found no place to put 3 AM, that Jim 
>> wants set for in the morning. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of joseph hudson
>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 3:20 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Snooze alarm.
>> 
>> Open up the clock app, go to the edit alarm button, and deselect the snooze 
>> switch. Otherwise, just hit the stop button and that'll keep the snooze from 
>> happening. In other words, don't hit your lock screen button. That will 
>> snooze your alarm.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sep 4, 2022, at 1:39 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
>>  > wrote:
>> 
>>  What do I do to keep snooze button from ever happening. I do not like 
>> it at all. So, when I turn off the alarm, does anyone know what I could do 
>> to stop snooze too? Thanks.
>> 
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RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Dennis Long]

I agree submit feedback to 
Feedback.apple.com 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
cory...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 7:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

One of my google phones has it on the power button as mentioned in my last 
email, and the other has it on the screen. I'm not sure what's taking apple so 
long to add this feature. 

C
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

That is simply speculation at this point, it is probably more likely they would 
come up with under-screen Touch Id which means that you put your finger on a 
certain area of the screen and that the scanner is embedded under the screen 
and it will read your finger print that way.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I read somewhere that on a future iPhone, they were going to put a fingerprint 
option in the Power Button. I probably would like that, although that is not a 
deal breaker in my case. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I like the finger print much better.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to do 
back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me, I have 
tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with the 
fingerprint, that’s for sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face ID 
> that makes it more forgiving. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
>> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
>> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
>> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
>> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>> tempting in the past. 
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
>>> we could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>> 
>>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
>>> but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
>>> will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
>>> people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make 
>>> it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do 
>>> as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it 
>>> gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know 
>>> voice over said it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. 
>>> This is just speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which 
>>> to experiment.  
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
>>> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have 
>>> to reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate 
>>> face ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people 
>>> say that it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, 
>>> but in my very dark bedroom, it 

Re: Face ID hit or miss

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I'm very happy with my iPhone 13 pro max.

On 9/5/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I am almost certain the SE 2022 will be offered this fall, after all, Apple
> only just released it and while I think that most of the iPhone 13 family
> will be scrapped when the iPhone 14 comes out, I imagine they may keep the
> iPhone 13 Mini around, but we'll definitely know on Wednesday morning. I
> also read that the SE 2022 will most likely not be the last SE phone since
> Apple will continue to offer a lower cost iPhone, but the rumour is that the
> next SE phone which some say may even come out as early as next March or
> April will also be a 6.1 inch phone so yes, an SE phone but not a small one.
> Whether it will still have a home button and Touch I d is also anybody's
> guess.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Dennis Long
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 2:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss
>
> I have a 13 pro.  Have had it for like 8  months.  I just prefer touch ID.
> I will certainly get one with in the next few months.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> bentleyj1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 4:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss
>
> I wonder how much longer a brand new S E 2022 will be available.  I Googled
> around a bit without finding out the answer.
>
> I will also buy a S E 2022 to avoid face recognition.
>
> James B
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Dennis Long
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 3:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss
>
> I am thinking of getting a SE3 before the SE4 comes out to insure I have a
> phone with touch ID.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Esther Levegnale
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 12:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>
> hi, everyone, I personally would really like the touch ID as well. I wish
> they would bring it back and as someone said, they could put it on the power
> button. Thanks. Esther
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>
> On Sep 5, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Dennis Long
> mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I like the finger print much better.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Lynn Schneider
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>
> Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to
> do back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me,
> I have tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with
> the fingerprint, that’s for sure.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda
> mailto:lpna...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face
> ID that makes it more forgiving.
>
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
>
> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie
> mailto:sooneran...@att.net>> wrote:
>
> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where
> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing
> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the
> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much
> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that
> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face
> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been
> tempting in the past.
>
> Ann
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn
> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not
> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the
> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why we
> could not get it done at Wal-Mart.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>
> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a
> diference? I 

Re: Accessible phone book

[Richard Turner]

I usually just ask Siri for x phone number in x city or State, or whatever.
The sheet grabber is not something you can get rid of. It is a new label for 
the button that would allow one to drag an item or some such thing. Not a 
helpful change from Apple in my opinion.





Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


> On Sep 5, 2022, at 5:48 PM, chaim biberfeld  wrote:
> 
> What is the most accessible and economical way to look up phone numbers?
> Also, what is this new thing I am seeing – top sheet, bottom sheet, sheet 
> grabber? How do I get rid of it?
> 
> Chaim Biberfeld, LCSW-R
> Private Practice
> 917-902-3349
> 
> thegototherapist.com 
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RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Apple typically won't do anything unless it works really good. On the one hand 
you ask what is taking Apple so long, but let's remember who first introduced 
Touch Id on smart phones and who first introduced Face Id. In both cases it was 
Apple with Samsung, Google and others following. I just read an article where a 
guy on 9 to 5 Google wrote that he bought the latest Google Pixel phone which 
has under-display Touch Id. He handed it to a friend to check it out and his 
friend put his finger on the screen and the phone unlocked. At first he thought 
it was some fluke, but after locking the phone again his friend repeated it and 
he was consistently able to unlock his phone. Not so great and I'd rather Apple 
doesn't put something like that on an iPhone if it's potentially not safe.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
cory...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 4:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

One of my google phones has it on the power button as mentioned in my last 
email, and the other has it on the screen. I'm not sure what's taking apple so 
long to add this feature. 

C
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

That is simply speculation at this point, it is probably more likely they would 
come up with under-screen Touch Id which means that you put your finger on a 
certain area of the screen and that the scanner is embedded under the screen 
and it will read your finger print that way.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I read somewhere that on a future iPhone, they were going to put a fingerprint 
option in the Power Button. I probably would like that, although that is not a 
deal breaker in my case. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I like the finger print much better.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to do 
back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me, I have 
tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with the 
fingerprint, that’s for sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face ID 
> that makes it more forgiving. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
>> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
>> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
>> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
>> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>> tempting in the past. 
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
>>> we could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>> 
>>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
>>> but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
>>> will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
>>> people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make 
>>> it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do 
>>> as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it 
>>> gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know 
>>> 

Accessible phone book

[chaim biberfeld]

What is the most accessible and economical way to look up phone numbers?
Also, what is this new thing I am seeing – top sheet, bottom sheet, sheet 
grabber? How do I get rid of it?

Chaim Biberfeld, LCSW-R
Private Practice
917-902-3349

thegototherapist.com 

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RE: Face ID hit or miss

[corykad]

One of my google phones has it on the power button as mentioned in my last 
email, and the other has it on the screen. I'm not sure what's taking apple so 
long to add this feature. 

C
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

That is simply speculation at this point, it is probably more likely they would 
come up with under-screen Touch Id which means that you put your finger on a 
certain area of the screen and that the scanner is embedded under the screen 
and it will read your finger print that way.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I read somewhere that on a future iPhone, they were going to put a fingerprint 
option in the Power Button. I probably would like that, although that is not a 
deal breaker in my case. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I like the finger print much better.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to do 
back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me, I have 
tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with the 
fingerprint, that’s for sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face ID 
> that makes it more forgiving. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
>> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
>> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
>> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
>> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>> tempting in the past. 
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
>>> we could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>> 
>>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
>>> but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
>>> will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
>>> people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make 
>>> it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do 
>>> as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it 
>>> gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know 
>>> voice over said it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. 
>>> This is just speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which 
>>> to experiment.  
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
>>> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have 
>>> to reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate 
>>> face ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people 
>>> say that it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, 
>>> but in my very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has 
>>> gotten a lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that 
>>> Sieghard has had, despite setting mine up per the instructions given on 
>>> this list about six months ago.
>>> 
>>> 

Re: Uber question.

[Les Kriegler]

Chaney, I’m not certain I completely understand your question. I can tell you 
that I had scheduled a ride in advance which actually occurred two days after I 
scheduled it. The price that I was charge was the price that I paid. I hope 
this makes sense.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 5:18 PM, Jenny Bomareto 
>  wrote:
> 
> If I was to schedule the ride today, on Wednesday will the price drop or 
> will it still stay the same price?
> 
> Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
> Jenny Bomareto
> 
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RE: Uber question.

[Richard Turner]

As far as I understand it, and from when I used it a while back, their prices 
change based on demand.  So, if the time you picked shows low demand, the price 
is lower.  If on Wednesday, the demand has gone up, the price will go up.

 

The best thing to do is read their terms and conditions carefully as this kind 
of thing ought to be included there.

 

 

 

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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 2:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Uber question.

 

If I was to schedule the ride today, on Wednesday will the price drop or will 
it still stay the same price?

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto


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Uber question.

[Jenny Bomareto]

If I was to schedule the ride today, on Wednesday will the price drop or will 
it still stay the same price?

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto

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RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I went ahead and got it. My friend’s got some vision left. So even if he can’t 
figure it out, I’m sure a family member or his girlfriend will help him out 
setting it up.

Thanks again,

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

No worries on the typo.  I would have fixed it, but apparently that causes 
problems for people hunting in the archives later.  

 

BTW, here is a specific video he did at the request of one visually impaired 
customer.  He gave me permission to share it.  It won’t make a lot of sense 
without the device in hand, but this will give you an idea of his commitment to 
making something useful for the blind.  He would also like to know what the 
target size for things to scan would be for his next version.

I will start a new thread with that question.

Here is the video link:

https://youtu.be/W3ZTDWDxTSI 

 

 

 

 

Richard

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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

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礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 7:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

Thank you for the follow up. And don’t’ I feel like an ignoramus. I just 
noticed I had a fat finger and typoed  recommendations in the subject line. Oh 
well.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2022 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

HI Cristóbal and all,

I heard back from the person who makes the ScannerBin.  IN fact, he sent me the 
stand he is currently selling, which is an improvement from the one I bought a 
few years ago.

This one, the camera whole just fits my 13 pro camera, but it is tight.  The 
tricky part is I don’t think a blind person would be able to assemble it 
without a sighted person identifying the various flaps that need to be folded 
and tucked into place.

It is also in more pieces than the original one.

There is however a new optional strip of LED lights that hang over the opening 
where you place your document.  They are powered by a 5 volt USB port, so any 
standard phone charger or USB port on a computer.  The cord is about 3 feet 
long.  So, if you need the lights, you have to be close to power.  And, the 
lights can be easily removed if not needed and put back in place when needed.  
It is a little hard to explain.  That is one of the parts that would need  
sighted assistance to attach.

 

I’ll be updating my site, but the current description is on his web site at 
www.scannerbin.com  

 

Once assembled, it is a handy scanning box.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 7:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

I’d be curious to know what he says. Thanks for replying to my message.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Reccomendations for an iPhone scan stand

 

Hello,

I have a page about the scanning stands I am aware of currently that are 
designed partly, if not entirely, with the visually impaired in mind.

 

The first one on that page is the ScannerBin, which apparently now has an 
additional component which is LED lights to make sure there are no shadows on 
the document.  I just wrote the guy who makes that one to see if it also has a 
larger hole for the camera array; the model I have was made before the pro 
iPhone models with the larger square camera array like on my 13 pro and so it 
is awkward to get 

RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Carolyn]

That makes sense. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

That is simply speculation at this point, it is probably more likely they would 
come up with under-screen Touch Id which means that you put your finger on a 
certain area of the screen and that the scanner is embedded under the screen 
and it will read your finger print that way.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I read somewhere that on a future iPhone, they were going to put a fingerprint 
option in the Power Button. I probably would like that, although that is not a 
deal breaker in my case. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I like the finger print much better.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to do 
back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me, I have 
tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with the 
fingerprint, that’s for sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face ID 
> that makes it more forgiving. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
>> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
>> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
>> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
>> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>> tempting in the past. 
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
>>> we could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>> 
>>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
>>> but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
>>> will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
>>> people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make 
>>> it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do 
>>> as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it 
>>> gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know 
>>> voice over said it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. 
>>> This is just speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which 
>>> to experiment.  
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
>>> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have 
>>> to reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate 
>>> face ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people 
>>> say that it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, 
>>> but in my very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has 
>>> gotten a lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that 
>>> Sieghard has had, despite setting mine up per the instructions given on 
>>> this list about six months ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
  On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  Why 

Search Function, How to use the “Search" function to search for objects in your photo library, Rita’s iDevice Advice

[Mike B.]

From: Rita Howells

How to use the “Search" function to search for objects in your photo 
library:  Rita’s iDevice Advice for September 5, 2022

Note:  If you are using VoiceOver:  when the instructions say "Tap on an 
item", perform a one finger double tap.

Open the Photos app.
Tap on the Search tab, which is represented by the magnifying glass icon at 
the bottom right.
Tap into the Search bar.
Type a search term, such as “dog” or “cat”.
You will see that the Photos app search returns some surprisingly accurate 
results.

Photos can be searched from your photo library by locations, people, scenes, 
text in the photos or other elements in the photos, such as a dog or a car.

More about Searching in the Photos app:
How To Search For Specific Pictures In The Photos App, on your Apple iOS 
Device:  This search feature is handy when you have taken a photo a while 
ago and can't find it manually.
Open the Photos app and search for a key term in the app, and all the photos 
that match should appear.
That's because Apple has designed the Photos app to recognize scenes and 
objects using machine learning.
You can even search for events, like a concert you went to: "Photos for iOS 
can use the time and location of your photos along with online event 
listings to find matching photos."
It is also possible to search by location, so you can enter a place name 
such as Pensacola, to track down photos of your trip to this beach 
destination.
First, open the Photos app on your iPhone.
Next, tap on the Search tab in the bottom right-hand corner:  which has a 
magnifying glass as its icon.
Then simply type in the name of a place, a search term, or even a person's 
name (if they're assigned in your Photos app) to find matches.
Search for a key term in the app, and all the photos that match should 
appear.
When you are running VoiceOver: you can add a text label to the photos in 
your Photos App.
There are a few Ways you can get a photo described to you right in the Apple 
photos app. For one thing, as you are swiping through your photos, you can 
perform a three finger single tap on the photo to hear a description, also 
often read automatically, of what is in the photo. You might hear things 
like, table, chair, two people. This is just an example.
You also have the option to use the Rotor to explore and get image 
descriptions when a photo is open.  Turn the Rotor to “Actions” and swipe up 
and down for the choices of:  Explore Image
Or Show Details.  Make sure that your screen curtain is off, and that the 
brightness is not set to zero. next, while you can of course listen to 
videos that you may have taken, you can also do this with Live Photos. If 
you have the live photo setting turned on in the camera, Open a Live photo, 
then double tap and hold where it says live photo. You will hear a couple 
seconds of audio. This, combined with the description voiceover gives you, 
can often be enough to determine much about the photo. Beyond this, you can 
name the people in your various photos, so that going forward, voiceover 
will tell you who is in every photo you have. You can also search for photos 
based upon topics, events, people, dates, and locations. Finally, if you are 
certain of what a particular photo is, you can use the two finger double tap 
and hold on any photo, to open the voiceover label element feature. Then you 
can provide a descriptive label for each of your photos.


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Re: Face ID hit or miss

[Mária Orovčíková]

Yes, I am looking at the Iphone's screen, not at the back camera, I ad 
sighted person checking it when I was trying to unlock the phone with 
Face ID.
I can't tell how far away I hold the phone (not too close), but they 
said I hold it fine.

The attention feature is turned off.
Maria

Dňa 5. 9. 2022 o 18:42 Sieghard Weitzel napísal(a):

So what exactly happens and what exactly do you do? Let's say your phone is 
locked, what are your steps?
Just to make sure you are looking at the iPhone's screen and not the back of 
the phone where the back camera lens is, correct?
How far away do you hold the phone when you try Face Id?
Do you have the attention feature turned on or off?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mária 
Orovcíková
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Yes, I had someone sighted help me, I managed to set it up on my own, sighted 
person was watching if I did it right, but no success to unlock the phone.
Maria

Dňa 5. 9. 2022 o 17:32 Sieghard Weitzel napísal(a):

Have you had a sighted friend or family member who is somewhat technically 
knowledgeable help you with this? I would be curious if somebody were to watch 
you as you do this what they would notice.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Mária Orovcíková
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 6:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Hello,
I have been using Iphone XR and I have never been able to unlock it with Face 
ID.
I've tried to set it up and remove it a few times, it does not work for me, so 
I gave it up.
I wish Apple would bring Touch ID back for all Iphone models. I don't like 
Passcode, but have no other choice for now.
Maria

Dňa 5. 9. 2022 o 3:35 SoonerAnnie napísal(a):

Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that without 
having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face ID. I have 
too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been tempting in 
the past.

Ann


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the time, 
if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why we could 
not get it done at Wal-Mart.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  but I 
do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I will go 
outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some people seem to 
have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make it work 
consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do as well as 
the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it gave their phone 
a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know voice over said it was 
okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. This is just speculation on my 
part, I don't have a modern phone with which to experiment.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:



I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear to 
me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have to reset 
it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate face ID so 
that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people say that it 
should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, but in my very 
dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has gotten a lot 
better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that Sieghard has had, 
despite setting mine up per the instructions given on this list about six 
months ago.


Sent from my iPhone


  On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
  
  


  

  Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever 
did, but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for 
physical labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a 
day in my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days 
until either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps 
had heeled. Face Id is 

Re: Face ID hit or miss

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, everyone, I personally would really like the touch ID as well. I wish they 
would bring it back and as someone said, they could put it on the power button. 
Thanks. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> I like the finger print much better.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
> Schneider
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
> 
> Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to 
> do back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me, I 
> have tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with 
> the fingerprint, that’s for sure.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face 
>> ID that makes it more forgiving. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room 
>>> where there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was 
>>> standing behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried 
>>> the suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had 
>>> much better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>>> tempting in the past. 
>>> 
>>> Ann
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
 
 I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
 necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
 time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
 we could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
 Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
 
 I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
 diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
 but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
 will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
 people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to 
 make it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only 
 can do as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem 
 with it gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I 
 know voice over said it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work 
 better. This is just speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone 
 with which to experiment.  
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 
 Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
 
> On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
 
 
 
 I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons 
 unclear to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and 
 I have to reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the 
 alternate face ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I 
 know people say that it should not matter if you are in a light or dark 
 environment, but in my very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it 
 certainly has gotten a lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite 
 the luck that Sieghard has had, despite setting mine up per the 
 instructions given on this list about six months ago.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
> On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, 
 but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for 
 physical labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put 
 in a day in my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 
 3 days until either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little 
 cuts and scraps had heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id 
 and it works for me I would say about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th 
 attention feature turned off I should add, it makes it maybe slightly less 
 secure, but both my eyes are prosthetic and I often do not have them in at 
 night. I have no 

RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is simply speculation at this point, it is probably more likely they would 
come up with under-screen Touch Id which means that you put your finger on a 
certain area of the screen and that the scanner is embedded under the screen 
and it will read your finger print that way.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I read somewhere that on a future iPhone, they were going to put a fingerprint 
option in the Power Button. I probably would like that, although that is not a 
deal breaker in my case. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I like the finger print much better.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to do 
back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me, I have 
tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with the 
fingerprint, that’s for sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face ID 
> that makes it more forgiving. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
>> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
>> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
>> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
>> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>> tempting in the past. 
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
>>> we could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>> 
>>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
>>> but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
>>> will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
>>> people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make 
>>> it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do 
>>> as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it 
>>> gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know 
>>> voice over said it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. 
>>> This is just speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which 
>>> to experiment.  
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
>>> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have 
>>> to reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate 
>>> face ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people 
>>> say that it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, 
>>> but in my very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has 
>>> gotten a lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that 
>>> Sieghard has had, despite setting mine up per the instructions given on 
>>> this list about six months ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
  On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, 
>>> but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for physical 
>>> labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a day in 
>>> my 

RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Sieghard Weitzel]

So what exactly happens and what exactly do you do? Let's say your phone is 
locked, what are your steps?
Just to make sure you are looking at the iPhone's screen and not the back of 
the phone where the back camera lens is, correct?
How far away do you hold the phone when you try Face Id?
Do you have the attention feature turned on or off?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mária 
Orovcíková
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Yes, I had someone sighted help me, I managed to set it up on my own, sighted 
person was watching if I did it right, but no success to unlock the phone.
Maria

Dňa 5. 9. 2022 o 17:32 Sieghard Weitzel napísal(a):
> Have you had a sighted friend or family member who is somewhat technically 
> knowledgeable help you with this? I would be curious if somebody were to 
> watch you as you do this what they would notice.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mária Orovcíková
> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 6:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>
> Hello,
> I have been using Iphone XR and I have never been able to unlock it with Face 
> ID.
> I've tried to set it up and remove it a few times, it does not work for me, 
> so I gave it up.
> I wish Apple would bring Touch ID back for all Iphone models. I don't like 
> Passcode, but have no other choice for now.
> Maria
>
> Dňa 5. 9. 2022 o 3:35 SoonerAnnie napísal(a):
>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
>> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
>> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
>> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
>> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>> tempting in the past.
>>
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
>>> we could not get it done at Wal-Mart.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>>
>>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
>>> but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
>>> will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
>>> people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make 
>>> it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do 
>>> as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it 
>>> gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know 
>>> voice over said it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. 
>>> This is just speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which 
>>> to experiment.
>>>
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
>>> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have 
>>> to reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate 
>>> face ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people 
>>> say that it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, 
>>> but in my very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has 
>>> gotten a lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that 
>>> Sieghard has had, despite setting mine up per the instructions given on 
>>> this list about six months ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever 
>>> did, but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for 
>>> physical labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in 
>>> a day in my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 
>>> days until either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts 
>>> and scraps had heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it 
>>> 

RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Carolyn]

I read somewhere that on a future iPhone, they were going to put a fingerprint 
option in the Power Button. I probably would like that, although that is not a 
deal breaker in my case. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I like the finger print much better.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to do 
back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me, I have 
tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with the 
fingerprint, that’s for sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face ID 
> that makes it more forgiving. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
>> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
>> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
>> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
>> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>> tempting in the past. 
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
>>> we could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>> 
>>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
>>> but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
>>> will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
>>> people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make 
>>> it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do 
>>> as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it 
>>> gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know 
>>> voice over said it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. 
>>> This is just speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which 
>>> to experiment.  
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
>>> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have 
>>> to reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate 
>>> face ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people 
>>> say that it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, 
>>> but in my very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has 
>>> gotten a lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that 
>>> Sieghard has had, despite setting mine up per the instructions given on 
>>> this list about six months ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
  On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, 
>>> but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for physical 
>>> labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a day in 
>>> my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days until 
>>> either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps 
>>> had heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it works for 
>>> me I would say about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th attention feature 
>>> turned off I should add, it makes it maybe slightly less secure, but both 
>>> my eyes are prosthetic and I often do not have them in at night. I have no 
>>> 

Re: Face ID hit or miss

[Mária Orovčíková]

Yes, I had someone sighted help me, I managed to set it up on my own, 
sighted person was watching if I did it right, but no success to unlock 
the phone.

Maria

Dňa 5. 9. 2022 o 17:32 Sieghard Weitzel napísal(a):

Have you had a sighted friend or family member who is somewhat technically 
knowledgeable help you with this? I would be curious if somebody were to watch 
you as you do this what they would notice.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mária 
Orovcíková
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 6:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Hello,
I have been using Iphone XR and I have never been able to unlock it with Face 
ID.
I've tried to set it up and remove it a few times, it does not work for me, so 
I gave it up.
I wish Apple would bring Touch ID back for all Iphone models. I don't like 
Passcode, but have no other choice for now.
Maria

Dňa 5. 9. 2022 o 3:35 SoonerAnnie napísal(a):

Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that without 
having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face ID. I have 
too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been tempting in 
the past.

Ann


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the time, 
if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why we could 
not get it done at Wal-Mart.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  but I 
do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I will go 
outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some people seem to 
have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make it work 
consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do as well as 
the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it gave their phone 
a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know voice over said it was 
okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. This is just speculation on my 
part, I don't have a modern phone with which to experiment.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:



I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear to 
me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have to reset 
it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate face ID so 
that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people say that it 
should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, but in my very 
dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has gotten a lot 
better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that Sieghard has had, 
despite setting mine up per the instructions given on this list about six 
months ago.


Sent from my iPhone


 On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
 
 


 

 Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, 
but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for physical 
labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a day in my 
woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days until either 
the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps had heeled. 
Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it works for me I would say 
about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th attention feature turned off I should 
add, it makes it maybe slightly less secure, but both my eyes are prosthetic 
and I often do not have them in at night. I have no issue with Face I d with 
the attention feature enabled, but it will not work if it doesn't see the eyes 
whereas it works just fine even in absolute darkness with that feature 
disabled..

  

  


 Best regards,

 Sieghard

  


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
 Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 9:37 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

  


 on my old phones with home buttons, I really enjoyed touch ID. I
don't think there is such a thing now with the newer phones that
don't have a home button. 

RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Dennis Long]

I like the finger print much better.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to do 
back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me, I have 
tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with the 
fingerprint, that’s for sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face ID 
> that makes it more forgiving. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
>> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
>> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
>> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
>> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>> tempting in the past. 
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
>>> we could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>> 
>>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
>>> but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
>>> will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
>>> people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make 
>>> it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do 
>>> as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it 
>>> gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know 
>>> voice over said it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. 
>>> This is just speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which 
>>> to experiment.  
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
>>> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have 
>>> to reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate 
>>> face ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people 
>>> say that it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, 
>>> but in my very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has 
>>> gotten a lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that 
>>> Sieghard has had, despite setting mine up per the instructions given on 
>>> this list about six months ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
  On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, 
>>> but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for physical 
>>> labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a day in 
>>> my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days until 
>>> either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps 
>>> had heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it works for 
>>> me I would say about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th attention feature 
>>> turned off I should add, it makes it maybe slightly less secure, but both 
>>> my eyes are prosthetic and I often do not have them in at night. I have no 
>>> issue with Face I d with the attention feature enabled, but it will not 
>>> work if it doesn't see the eyes whereas it works just fine even in absolute 
>>> darkness with that feature disabled..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Best regards,
>>> 
>>>  Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Esther Levegnale
>>>  Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 9:37 AM
>>>  To: 

RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have you had a sighted friend or family member who is somewhat technically 
knowledgeable help you with this? I would be curious if somebody were to watch 
you as you do this what they would notice. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mária 
Orovcíková
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 6:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Hello,
I have been using Iphone XR and I have never been able to unlock it with Face 
ID.
I've tried to set it up and remove it a few times, it does not work for me, so 
I gave it up.
I wish Apple would bring Touch ID back for all Iphone models. I don't like 
Passcode, but have no other choice for now.
Maria

Dňa 5. 9. 2022 o 3:35 SoonerAnnie napísal(a):
> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
> tempting in the past.
>
> Ann
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why we 
>> could not get it done at Wal-Mart.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>
>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  but 
>> I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I will 
>> go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some people 
>> seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make it work 
>> consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do as well 
>> as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it gave their 
>> phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know voice over said 
>> it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. This is just 
>> speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which to experiment.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>>
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
>> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have to 
>> reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate face 
>> ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people say that 
>> it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, but in my 
>> very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has gotten a 
>> lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that Sieghard has 
>> had, despite setting mine up per the instructions given on this list about 
>> six months ago.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever 
>> did, but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for 
>> physical labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in 
>> a day in my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 
>> days until either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts 
>> and scraps had heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it 
>> works for me I would say about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th attention 
>> feature turned off I should add, it makes it maybe slightly less secure, but 
>> both my eyes are prosthetic and I often do not have them in at night. I have 
>> no issue with Face I d with the attention feature enabled, but it will not 
>> work if it doesn't see the eyes whereas it works just fine even in absolute 
>> darkness with that feature disabled..
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Sieghard
>>
>>  
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Esther Levegnale
>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 9:37 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>
>>  
>>
>> on my old phones with home buttons, I really enjoyed touch ID. I 
>> don't think there is such a thing now with the newer phones that 

RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Carolyn]

True about gloves. I cut the ends of fingers off a pair of mine. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 2:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

Sunlight is absolutely not required. Maybe it is better if there is normal 
light whether daylight or from a lamp/ceiling light when you first set it  up, 
but Apple really has gotten this right and it is not rocket science. But there 
will always be some people who have difficulties with it just as there were 
people who never got Touch Id to work reliably.
I remember many years ago when Touch I d first came out that there was a lady 
on the Viphone list, I believe her first name was Rose, who very seriously 
believe that because she was a typist or transcriptionist all her life that she 
had worn off her finger prints and that is why Touch Id did not work for her.
Anyways, I can definitely see how Touch Id would be problematic for people who 
do a lot of manual labour and often have dirty fingers like maybe mechanics, 
farmers, carpenters and so on. As I said before, it has been  my own experience 
that Touch Id was always problematic if I had a bunch of small scrapes or cuts 
on my fingers from woodworking and of course good old Titebond wood glue let 
alone Lepage construction adhesive on my fingers would render it useless for a 
couple of days until it wore off. Titebond at least can easily be washed off 
with warm water, the other stuff requires paint thinner.
Then of course there is the fact that for those of us who live in a colder 
climate gloves are a fact of live for 4 or 5 months out of the year and in all 
these scenarios Face Id is just much superior, easier and more reliable.













































































































































































































































































































































































































-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 4:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the time, 
if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why we could 
not get it done at Wal-Mart. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  but I 
do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I will go 
outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some people seem to 
have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make it work 
consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do as well as 
the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it gave their phone 
a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know voice over said it was 
okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. This is just speculation on my 
part, I don't have a modern phone with which to experiment.  

Arnold Schmidt 
  
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:



I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear to 
me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have to reset 
it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate face ID so 
that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people say that it 
should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, but in my very 
dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has gotten a lot 
better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that Sieghard has had, 
despite setting mine up per the instructions given on this list about six 
months ago.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:



 

Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever 
did, but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for 
physical labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a 
day in my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days 
until either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps 
had heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it works for me I 
would say about 96 or 98% of the 

Re: question if you have a new phone and you set it up just like your older phone can you still use face id?

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Face ID and Touch ID don’t transfer from one phone to another. When you set up 
your new one, you’ll be prompted to configure Face ID.

Best,
Anna


> On Sep 5, 2022, at 5:25 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> I would do a phone to phone transfer.  This will pull everything including 
> ring tones.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of joseph hudson
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 5:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: question if you have a new phone and you set it up just like 
> your older phone can you still use face id?
>  
> Hi Mich, as long as you're backing up from your old iPhone 8 settings, 
> everything will restore to your new phone. Is the same way that you had 
> previously had it set up
> 
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:36 PM, mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> 
>> mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi all I am wondering I have a Iphone 8 and I am wanting to upgrade to the 
>> Iphone 13 max if I set up my phone by going into settings and having it set 
>> up like my Iphone 8 is set up now with folder structure intackt and 
>> everything like that do I still have the option to use face ID? And set that 
>> up as a option? From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.
>>  
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Re: Face ID hit or miss

[Lynn Schneider]

Attention has always been off, as I was instructed by others on this list to do 
back when I first got my phone about eight months ago or so. Believe me, I have 
tried everything. I don’t mind face ID, but I had better success with the 
fingerprint, that’s for sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2022, at 2:30 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face ID 
> that makes it more forgiving. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
>> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
>> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
>> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
>> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
>> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
>> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
>> tempting in the past. 
>> 
>> Ann 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why 
>>> we could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>> 
>>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  
>>> but I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I 
>>> will go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some 
>>> people seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make 
>>> it work consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do 
>>> as well as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it 
>>> gave their phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know 
>>> voice over said it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. 
>>> This is just speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which 
>>> to experiment.  
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt 
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>>> 
 On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
>>> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have 
>>> to reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate 
>>> face ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people 
>>> say that it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, 
>>> but in my very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has 
>>> gotten a lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that 
>>> Sieghard has had, despite setting mine up per the instructions given on 
>>> this list about six months ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
  On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
>>>  Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, 
>>> but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for physical 
>>> labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a day in 
>>> my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days until 
>>> either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps 
>>> had heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it works for 
>>> me I would say about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th attention feature 
>>> turned off I should add, it makes it maybe slightly less secure, but both 
>>> my eyes are prosthetic and I often do not have them in at night. I have no 
>>> issue with Face I d with the attention feature enabled, but it will not 
>>> work if it doesn't see the eyes whereas it works just fine even in absolute 
>>> darkness with that feature disabled..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Best regards,
>>> 
>>>  Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Esther Levegnale
>>>  Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 9:37 AM
>>>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>  Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  on my old phones with home buttons, I really enjoyed touch ID. I don't 
>>> think there is such a thing now with the newer phones that don't have a 

Re: Face ID hit or miss

[Mária Orovčíková]

Hello,
I have been using Iphone XR and I have never been able to unlock it with 
Face ID.
I've tried to set it up and remove it a few times, it does not work for 
me, so I gave it up.
I wish Apple would bring Touch ID back for all Iphone models. I don't 
like Passcode, but have no other choice for now.

Maria

Dňa 5. 9. 2022 o 3:35 SoonerAnnie napísal(a):

Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that without 
having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face ID. I have 
too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been tempting in 
the past.

Ann


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the time, 
if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why we could 
not get it done at Wal-Mart.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  but I 
do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I will go 
outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some people seem to 
have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make it work 
consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do as well as 
the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it gave their phone 
a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know voice over said it was 
okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. This is just speculation on my 
part, I don't have a modern phone with which to experiment.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:



I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear to 
me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have to reset 
it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate face ID so 
that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people say that it 
should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, but in my very 
dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has gotten a lot 
better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that Sieghard has had, 
despite setting mine up per the instructions given on this list about six 
months ago.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:






Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, 
but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for physical 
labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a day in my 
woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days until either 
the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps had heeled. 
Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it works for me I would say 
about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th attention feature turned off I should 
add, it makes it maybe slightly less secure, but both my eyes are prosthetic 
and I often do not have them in at night. I have no issue with Face I d with 
the attention feature enabled, but it will not work if it doesn't see the eyes 
whereas it works just fine even in absolute darkness with that feature 
disabled..

 

 


Best regards,

Sieghard

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

 


on my old phones with home buttons, I really enjoyed touch ID. I don't 
think there is such a thing now with the newer phones that don't have a home 
button. I just use a pass code. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!






On Sep 3, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Joshua Hendrickson mailto:louv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

It will take some practice before you will feel comfortable with face
ID.  I honestly prefer touch ID myself, but I am getting used to face
ID.

On 9/3/22, Anthony Vece mailto:ajv...@gmail.com> > wrote:




I would imagine that if this is a brand-new phone for the first few 
days or

so it would asked for your password more often 

RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Dennis Long]

I get this as well sometimes Touch ID just worked.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

 

I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear to 
me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have to reset 
it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate face ID so 
that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people say that it 
should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, but in my very 
dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has gotten a lot 
better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that Sieghard has had, 
despite setting mine up per the instructions given on this list about six 
months ago.

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, but 
of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for physical labour 
like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a day in my 
woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days until either 
the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps had heeled. 
Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it works for me I would say 
about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th attention feature turned off I should 
add, it makes it maybe slightly less secure, but both my eyes are prosthetic 
and I often do not have them in at night. I have no issue with Face I d with 
the attention feature enabled, but it will not work if it doesn't see the eyes 
whereas it works just fine even in absolute darkness with that feature 
disabled..

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

 

on my old phones with home buttons, I really enjoyed touch ID. I don't think 
there is such a thing now with the newer phones that don't have a home button. 
I just use a pass code. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!






On Sep 3, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Joshua Hendrickson mailto:louv...@gmail.com> > wrote:

It will take some practice before you will feel comfortable with face
ID.  I honestly prefer touch ID myself, but I am getting used to face
ID.

On 9/3/22, Anthony Vece mailto:ajv...@gmail.com> > wrote:




I would imagine that if this is a brand-new phone for the first few days or

so it would asked for your password more often than Face ID. This is so that

everything could stick to get it. However the suggestions you receivedmake

sense. Keep us posted.

 

Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro!!

 

On Sep 3, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Nimer Jaber mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 



Hello,

 

A couple of things to try:

* Try holding it at arms-length away from your face, straight out in front

of you.

* If you are wearing glasses, try with them off.

* If you did not register face ID that way, try registering it again.

* Try using a microfiber cloth to wipe off the screen. Sometimes, skin

oils can cause interference, if you hold the phone up to your ear while on

a call.

* Note that, on device reboot, you will certainly need to enter your pin

again.

 

If none of these things help, I would probably go back to where you bought

it, or reach out to Apple, as it may be a hardware issue.

 

On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 4:15 PM SoonerAnnie mailto:sooneran...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi all,

 

Subject pretty much says it all. I just bought an iPhone 13 mini and have

set up Face ID with no difficulty; however, it seems that it'll work two

or three times and then will require me to use my pass code to unlock my

phone. I am getting very tempted to put my SIM card back in my SE 20 lol.

It's much easier to just reach over and unlock it with my finger than to

pick up my mini and hope I can get it to unlock without having to type in

my pass code. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks for reading.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

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RE: question if you have a new phone and you set it up just like your older phone can you still use face id?

[Dennis Long]

I would do a phone to phone transfer.  This will pull everything including ring 
tones.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question if you have a new phone and you set it up just like your 
older phone can you still use face id?

 

Hi Mich, as long as you're backing up from your old iPhone 8 settings, 
everything will restore to your new phone. Is the same way that you had 
previously had it set up





On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:36 PM, mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca> > 
mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca> > wrote:

 

Hi all I am wondering I have a Iphone 8 and I am wanting to upgrade to the 
Iphone 13 max if I set up my phone by going into settings and having it set up 
like my Iphone 8 is set up now with folder structure intackt and everything 
like that do I still have the option to use face ID? And set that up as a 
option? From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

 

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RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Dennis Long]

I absolutely wouldn't use it wide open.  You could always get the SE3 if you 
want touch ID.  I prefer touch ID this is after using face ID for a few months.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
SoonerAnnie
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 9:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that without 
having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face ID. I have 
too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been tempting in 
the past. 

Ann 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the time, 
> if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why we could 
> not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
> 
> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  but 
> I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I will go 
> outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some people seem to 
> have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make it work 
> consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do as well 
> as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it gave their 
> phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know voice over said 
> it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. This is just 
> speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which to experiment. 
>  
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
> 
> On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have to 
> reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate face 
> ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people say that 
> it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, but in my 
> very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has gotten a 
> lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that Sieghard has 
> had, despite setting mine up per the instructions given on this list about 
> six months ago.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
>
> 
> 
> 
>Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, 
> but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for physical 
> labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a day in 
> my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days until 
> either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps had 
> heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it works for me I 
> would say about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th attention feature turned 
> off I should add, it makes it maybe slightly less secure, but both my eyes 
> are prosthetic and I often do not have them in at night. I have no issue with 
> Face I d with the attention feature enabled, but it will not work if it 
> doesn't see the eyes whereas it works just fine even in absolute darkness 
> with that feature disabled..
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Best regards,
> 
>Sieghard
> 
> 
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Esther Levegnale
>Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 9:37 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
> 
> 
> 
>on my old phones with home buttons, I really enjoyed touch ID. I don't 
> think there is such a thing now with the newer phones that don't have a home 
> button. I just use a pass code. Esther
> 
>Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>
>
>
> 
>On Sep 3, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Joshua Hendrickson   > wrote:
> 
>It will take some practice before you will feel comfortable with face
>ID.  I honestly prefer touch ID myself, but I am getting used to face
>ID.
>
>On 9/3/22, Anthony Vece mailto:ajv...@gmail.com> > 
> wrote:

Re: Face ID hit or miss

[Pete Nalda]

For what it’s worth, there is a setting to not require attention for Face ID 
that makes it more forgiving. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Sep 4, 2022, at 8:35 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, all, for the replies and suggestions. I set mine up in a room where 
> there was good light, using VoiceOver, but my sighted husband was standing 
> behind me and he said it got a good scan of my face. Since I tried the 
> suggestion of holding my phone at arms length from my face I have had much 
> better luck. I most definitely prefer touch ID as you can even do that 
> without having to pick up your phone, but I'm getting more used to the face 
> ID. I have too much on my phone to leave it wide open, although it has been 
> tempting in the past. 
> 
> Ann 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
>> necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the 
>> time, if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why we 
>> could not get it done at Wal-Mart. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>> 
>> I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
>> diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  but 
>> I do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I will 
>> go outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some people 
>> seem to have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make it work 
>> consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do as well 
>> as the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it gave their 
>> phone a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know voice over said 
>> it was okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. This is just 
>> speculation on my part, I don't have a modern phone with which to 
>> experiment.  
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>> 
>> On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear 
>> to me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have to 
>> reset it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate face 
>> ID so that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people say that 
>> it should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, but in my 
>> very dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has gotten a 
>> lot better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that Sieghard has 
>> had, despite setting mine up per the instructions given on this list about 
>> six months ago.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>   On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    
>> 
>>   Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever did, 
>> but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for physical 
>> labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a day in 
>> my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days until 
>> either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps 
>> had heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it works for 
>> me I would say about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th attention feature 
>> turned off I should add, it makes it maybe slightly less secure, but both my 
>> eyes are prosthetic and I often do not have them in at night. I have no 
>> issue with Face I d with the attention feature enabled, but it will not work 
>> if it doesn't see the eyes whereas it works just fine even in absolute 
>> darkness with that feature disabled..
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Best regards,
>> 
>>   Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Esther Levegnale
>>   Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 9:37 AM
>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>   Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   on my old phones with home buttons, I really enjoyed touch ID. I don't 
>> think there is such a thing now with the newer phones that don't have a home 
>> button. I just use a pass code. Esther
>> 
>>   Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   On Sep 3, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Joshua Hendrickson >  > wrote:
>> 
>>   It will take some practice before you will feel comfortable with face
>>   ID.  I honestly prefer touch ID myself, but I am getting used to face
>>   ID.
>> 
>>   On 9/3/22, Anthony Vece 

RE: Face ID hit or miss

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sunlight is absolutely not required. Maybe it is better if there is normal 
light whether daylight or from a lamp/ceiling light when you first set it  up, 
but Apple really has gotten this right and it is not rocket science. But there 
will always be some people who have difficulties with it just as there were 
people who never got Touch Id to work reliably.
I remember many years ago when Touch I d first came out that there was a lady 
on the Viphone list, I believe her first name was Rose, who very seriously 
believe that because she was a typist or transcriptionist all her life that she 
had worn off her finger prints and that is why Touch Id did not work for her.
Anyways, I can definitely see how Touch Id would be problematic for people who 
do a lot of manual labour and often have dirty fingers like maybe mechanics, 
farmers, carpenters and so on. As I said before, it has been  my own experience 
that Touch Id was always problematic if I had a bunch of small scrapes or cuts 
on my fingers from woodworking and of course good old Titebond wood glue let 
alone Lepage construction adhesive on my fingers would render it useless for a 
couple of days until it wore off. Titebond at least can easily be washed off 
with warm water, the other stuff requires paint thinner.
Then of course there is the fact that for those of us who live in a colder 
climate gloves are a fact of live for 4 or 5 months out of the year and in all 
these scenarios Face Id is just much superior, easier and more reliable.













































































































































































































































































































































































































-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 4:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face ID hit or miss

I went out in bright sunlight, but some people say that is absolutely not 
necessary. Since the guy at Wal-Mart could not do it, I wondered at the time, 
if light had something to do with it. Now, I simply do not know why we could 
not get it done at Wal-Mart. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2022 6:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Face ID hit or miss

I wonder if where one is when they initially set up face ID would make a 
diference? I know it is not supposed to make that much of a difference,  but I 
do wonder.  When I get a modern phone and want to set up face ID, I will go 
outside, not in direct sunlight, but using outside light. Some people seem to 
have little problem using it, others just can't seem to make it work 
consistently. Maybe it is like those ocr programs, that only can do as well as 
the scan they are given. Maybe some who have a problem with it gave their phone 
a not so good scan of their face to start with. I know voice over said it was 
okay, but maybe a better scan would work better. This is just speculation on my 
part, I don't have a modern phone with which to experiment.  

Arnold Schmidt 
  
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:



I would say face ID works for me about 50% of the time. for reasons unclear to 
me, sometimes it will just completely not recognize my face and I have to reset 
it. One thing that has helped me is to also set up the alternate face ID so 
that essentially, it has two copies of my face. I know people say that it 
should not matter if you are in a light or dark environment, but in my very 
dark bedroom, it rarely recognizes my face. it certainly has gotten a lot 
better with practice, but I don’t have quite the luck that Sieghard has had, 
despite setting mine up per the instructions given on this list about six 
months ago.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 4, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:



 

Why don't  you use Face Id, for me it works better than Touch Id ever 
did, but of course that is partly because I do at time use my hands for 
physical labour like woodworking, gardening and so on and whenever I put in a 
day in my woodworking shop I could forget Touch Id for the next 2 or 3 days 
until either the glue came off my fingers and/or all the little cuts and scraps 
had heeled. Face Id is actually more secure than Touch Id and it works for me I 
would say about 96 or 98% of the time. I do have th attention feature turned 
off I should add, it makes it maybe slightly less secure, but both my eyes are 
prosthetic and I often do not have them in at night. I have no issue with Face 
I d with the attention feature enabled, but it will not work if it doesn't see 
the eyes