DRM removal
It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. attachment: winmail.dat
Wired Keyboard Suddenly An accessory Not Supported By This iPod Touch?
Hi, all, This started happening a few days ago. Yesterday; I did a wipe and complete reset of my iPod. The keyboard worked for about ten minutes, and now it doesn't even show up in the settings, general, about section as it used to. Is there anything else I can try? Thanks, Teresa We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: DRM removal
if this is true, I was not aware. I was only referring to books that one had already bought or were free not pirating. Eden On 3/4/2015 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Fwd: Moderator's note regarding DRM removal - WasRe: playing WMA audio book files from Overdrive on IPhones
-- Forwarded message -- From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 19:51:01 -0600 Subject: Moderator's note regarding DRM removal - WasRe: playing WMA audio book files from Overdrive on IPhones To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Hello all. This topic comes up from time to time. I'm not really interested in the legal loopholes of DRM removal. The last I've known about this, it's illegal to do this in the U.S. Since this list is mainly based from the United States, I don't feel this topic is appropriate. So, let's stop this now. If you have any comments about this email, please write me or Cara Quinn off list. Thank you all for closing this thread. --- Sent from Raul's rectangular glass - 832.554.7285 Please excuse any auto complete or dictation weirdness. On Mar 7, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Switch is from NCH. Here's a URL to more information on Switch: http://www.nch.com.au/switch/ This will work for WMA files not using DRM. As someone else said, if you're talking about WMA files with DRM then Sound Taxi will do the trick. On 03/06/2014 01:40 PM, Dan Beaver wrote: Hi, Where do you find the switch program? Google brings up so many hits for switch. thanks. Dan Beaver -- From: Sherrie nanagoose4...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: playing WMA audio book files from Overdrive on IPhones I have not tried the Overdrive audio books but would it be possible to convert them to mp3 or m4a with a file converter such as Switch? There are several good programs for playing mp3 or m4a books such as Audio Book and Podcast player. . I listened to them all the time before the BARD app came out and used Switch to convert the ones in WMA format to mp3 or m4a. Just a thought. Sherrie Gosling -Original Message- From: Dan Beaver Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: playing WMA audio book files from Overdrive on Iphones Hi, Well I guess I am going to have to try some of the WMA playing apps to see if they are accessible or not. It looks like most of the audio books from Overdrive are in the WMA format and they have a lot I'd like to read. Thanks for the response. Dan Beaver -- From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 8:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: playing WMA audio book files from Overdrive on Iphones WMA is a Microsoft proprietary format, just like AAC is an Apple proprietary format, so you won't be able to play WMA files on your iPhone, just as you couldn't play AAC files on the old Zune from Microsoft. On 03/05/2014 05:37 PM, Dan Beaver wrote: Hi, Has anyone tried to play audio book files that are in the WMA format on an IPhone? Overdrive told me the IPhone is not wma compatible when I tried to transfer them using overdrive. When I moved them over myself they just don't seem to play. Any thoughts on this? Thanks. Dan Beaver -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
RE: DRM removal
Very interesting. Richard, I not necessarily pointing a finger at you here. Others have chimed in on this list, but I do need to say the following. First you point out that it is illegal, and in the next breath, you say that you have tried to do it. Plus, you are now trying, through your email to this list to help other people do things that are not legal. If you don't like the law, then fight to have it changed. But I very much dislike people assuming that just because they are blind, they have some inalienable right to circumvent the law and read what they jolly well please, even if it is illegal. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:13 AM To: ViPone list Subject: DRM removal It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. attachment: winmail.dat
RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack
Cargo areas are pressurized but not heated completely. One needs to keep in mind that often at 30,000 or 35,000 feet altitude where jets fly the temperature is as low as -60 Fahrenheit and while cargo areas are usually heated so it doesn’t go below freezing, it is still cold in there. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SSEric Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack I understood that to mean shipping batteries in quantity, not the individual having one. I think the issue is in the cargo area, which is not pressurized. I could be mistaken… Eric _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack Hi Jonathan, I was taken back a bit when I heard this news story this morning. I'm seriously thinking on updating my external battery to handle a larger charge capacity. Your right,!!! How in the world could any airline enforce this crazy regulation? The next chance I have to fly will be in the summer I'll have to choose my airline wisely LOL. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Eileen. I haven't had an issue yet. I've not caught up with that news report, but I wonder how practical it is to enforce? Are they going to stop people from bringing their laptops and phones on board? Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 4/03/2015, at 7:32 am, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jonathan, I'm going to change the subject line. I just heard on the radio this morning that United Airline has joined Delta in banning lithium batteries on their flights. Have you had any problems carrying on the external battery pack in your tech carry on? I know that you travel more than I internationally. Since the Anker battery pack is larger than my New Trent 7000, I want to replace it with a larger one. Thanks for your advise in advance. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this
RE: DRM removal
If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are
RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack
Here's an actual article from PBS News Hour discussing this issue at this link: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2-airlines-ban-rechargeable-batteries-ca rgo/ I'll post the text of the article after my signature. Alan Lemly Two airlines ban rechargeable batteries from cargo WASHINGTON - Two major U.S airlines say they will no longer accept rechargeable battery shipments as new government tests confirm that explosions and violent fires are likely to occur when large numbers of batteries enclosed in cargo containers overheat. Tests conducted last month by the Federal Aviation Administration show that rechargeable batteries, also called lithium-ion batteries, consistently emit explosive gases when they overheat or short-circuit, The Associated Press has learned. In the recent tests, as well as other FAA tests last year, the buildup of gases - primarily hydrogen - led to fierce explosions. An FAA video of one of the tests obtained by the AP shows an explosion knocking a cargo container door off its hinges and tossing boxes of batteries into the air. The container was engulfed in fire minutes later. In the test, a cartridge heater was used to simulate a single battery overheating. The heater caused nearby batteries to overheat and the short-circuiting spread to many of the nearly 5,000 batteries in the container. It's common for tens of thousands of batteries to be placed in a single container. Citing safety concerns, United Airlines on Monday informed its cargo customers it will no longer accept bulk shipments of the batteries, which are used to power everything from smartphones to laptops to power tools. Delta Air Lines quietly stopped accepting bulk shipments of the rechargeable batteries on Feb. 1. The airline said in a statement that it took the action in response to government testing and concerns raised by its pilots and flight attendants. A third major U.S. carrier, American Airlines, stopped accepting some types of lithium-ion battery shipments on Feb. 23. But the airline is continuing to accept small packages of batteries grouped together or overpacked into a single cargo container. Those are the kinds of shipments that the FAA has been testing and that are a greater safety concern. All three airlines said they will continue to accept bulk shipments of equipment containing batteries or in which batteries are placed in the same package as equipment. Placing batteries inside equipment like laptops or in the same package as power tools creates additional buffering and is believed to provide added protection, although safety experts say that theory hasn't been fully tested. The decisions by United and Delta airlines could put pressure on other international carriers to refuse battery shipments or appear indifferent to safety. I think it will cause everybody to take a look at their policies and procedures as far as carrying that cargo, and many will elect not to, said John Goglia, a former National Transportation Safety Board member and aviation safety expert. Airline industry analyst Robert W. Mann said, It's only a matter of time before a really serious event occurs. Airlines are essentially just trying to avoid that occurrence, he said. Temperatures in some of the government testing reached nearly 1,100 degrees. An airliner might be able to withstand a fire generated by a small number of lithium-ion batteries, but a fire involving lots of them could destroy the plane, according to a slide presentation by Airbus engineer Paul Rohrbach. The presentation was an industry position reflecting the views of other aircraft manufacturers as well as Airbus, according to the company. U.S. and international officials have been slow to adopt safety restrictions that might affect the powerful industries that depend on the batteries. About 4.8 billion lithium-ion cells were manufactured in 2013, and production is forecast to reach 8 billion a year by 2025. A battery contains two or more cells. Lithium batteries dominate the global battery industry because they're cheap to make, lightweight and can hold a lot more energy than other types of batteries. Cargo airlines are continuing to transport the batteries even though they are believed to have either caused or contributed to fires that destroyed two Boeing 747 freighters in recent years, killing their pilots. The pilots of a third freighter managed to escape after landing in Philadelphia, but that plane was also destroyed. UPS recently completed a round of tests on a shipping container that was adjusted to allow gases to escape while continuing to contain a battery fire. The company was encouraged by the results of the tests, said UPS spokesman Mike Mangeot. U.S. regulators' hands are tied by a 2012 law that Congress enacted in response to industry lobbying. It prohibits the government from issuing regulations regarding battery shipments that are any more stringent than standards approved by the International Civil Aviation
Re: DRM removal
Although I am not an attorney, my understanding is that if a person is visually impaired and they are unprotecting a book for their own use this is perfectly legal. On 3/4/15, eden eden...@comcast.net wrote: if this is true, I was not aware. I was only referring to books that one had already bought or were free not pirating. Eden On 3/4/2015 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list
RE: Bluetooth Keyboards till an issue with VO?
Hi all, As Jonathan said, quicknav being turned off works quite well although I still have a problem with the echoing of the wrong number when I enter a phone number. If I try to enter something like 555-1212, I type it in and I could hear 555-1712 but, know that the right number has been entered. If you pay attention to what you are typing, just ignore what VO echoes and you will be just fine. Its annoying but its workable. Ron Danvers From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards till an issue with VO? Hi Todd, have you checked that QuickNav is off? If it's not, in the presently released build of iOS 8, you won't be able to input text. Toggle it by pressing the left and right arrow keys together. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/03/2015, at 5:51 am, Todd W toddstechby...@gmail.com mailto:toddstechby...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Are there still known issues with some bluetooth keyboards and iOS 8.13? I just received my new BrydgeAir keyboard and when VO is on it doesn't work, yet it works fine with VO turned off. I had thought this was fixed in one of the updates but would like confirmation one way or the other before I contact Brydge. Thanks, Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Simple question about the Logitech keyboard 811
Hi, As there will be no one here whose eyes work when I get my keyboard, I wonder if someone can tell me where the keys are that allow you to pair with 3 different devices. I think I read, or was told, that one presses one of these keys, goes to settings in the phone, selects the keyboard and it pairs itself. Whether or not this works, it would be nice to know where these keys are. Oh, one other thing. Is there a hide keyboard key like there is on the apple keyboard, or does one simply turn off the keyboard when one wants to use the device keyboard? Thanks much for your help. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. attachment: winmail.dat
I love my Logitech 811 keyboard
Sorry Apple, Perhaps if you would fix the power button problem, I would have stayed, but I have moved on. As people have said on this list, it is very nice to type On. As someone also said, the keys are concaved. I wondered about this at first, but my fingers fit perfectly into them. The keys are a little smaller than those on the Apple keyboard, but there is space around them so in the end, it is as large as the apple keyboard but you can locate the keys better because of the space instead of having them all run together. I realize keyboards are a personal preference, and I'm not trying to talk anyone into purchasing this one. I just wanted to say that I like it a lot. It was quite easy to pair as well. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Brailliant 32 cell display experience
Hi, I'd like to know your experience with Brailliant 32 Braille displays. Please e-mail off list if you feel it might clutter the list. Purchasing a new Braille display is such an expensive thing that I felt I would like to ask a question here. please be as honest as you always are. I think the display is by HumanWare. I don't need notetaking facilities but I do need to know whether the display pairs easily with iDevices, and mac computers and whether it can pair with more than one device. I also need to know whether one can use it to enter text. Many thanks listers, My old display - very old display - is showing signs of having to retire so it is a major investment for me. For a while I considered focus blue 14 but then I hear there may be problems with updating firmware and 14 cells is really so few that I'm worried about constant panning when reading in ibooks or nook or kindle. Many thanks Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: DRM removal
i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard
Hello, Would you please explain the layout of the keys to the left and right of the space bar, as well as any other special buttons or switches? TIA. On Mar 4, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Sorry Apple, Perhaps if you would fix the power button problem, I would have stayed, but I have moved on. As people have said on this list, it is very nice to type On. As someone also said, the keys are concaved. I wondered about this at first, but my fingers fit perfectly into them. The keys are a little smaller than those on the Apple keyboard, but there is space around them so in the end, it is as large as the apple keyboard but you can locate the keys better because of the space instead of having them all run together. I realize keyboards are a personal preference, and I’m not trying to talk anyone into purchasing this one. I just wanted to say that I like it a lot. It was quite easy to pair as well. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard
Hi Tia, if someone has not done it before, I’ll send something tonight when my wife has a chance to give me the layout. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard Hello, Would you please explain the layout of the keys to the left and right of the space bar, as well as any other special buttons or switches? TIA. On Mar 4, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Sorry Apple, Perhaps if you would fix the power button problem, I would have stayed, but I have moved on. As people have said on this list, it is very nice to type On. As someone also said, the keys are concaved. I wondered about this at first, but my fingers fit perfectly into them. The keys are a little smaller than those on the Apple keyboard, but there is space around them so in the end, it is as large as the apple keyboard but you can locate the keys better because of the space instead of having them all run together. I realize keyboards are a personal preference, and I’m not trying to talk anyone into purchasing this one. I just wanted to say that I like it a lot. It was quite easy to pair as well. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Simple question about the Logitech keyboard 811
Yes, there is a hide keyboard button, it’s just to the left of the escape key. As for pairing the device, it uses the f1 through f3 keys. Select witch one you want your device to be paired with, then push the pair button on the underside of the keyboard. It is located just under the delete or backspace key. HTH Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV? New user and want quick efficient answers? Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute? Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always patient with you. Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple https://twitter.com/PealTheApple And ask your question there. All are welcome! On Mar 4, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Hi, As there will be no one here whose eyes work when I get my keyboard, I wonder if someone can tell me where the keys are that allow you to pair with 3 different devices. I think I read, or was told, that one presses one of these keys, goes to settings in the phone, selects the keyboard and it pairs itself. Whether or not this works, it would be nice to know where these keys are. Oh, one other thing. Is there a hide keyboard key like there is on the apple keyboard, or does one simply turn off the keyboard when one wants to use the device keyboard? Thanks much for your help. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. winmail.dat -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
moderators on DRM removal
Hi. Can we have a definitive statement from the mods on this topic. I'm afraid I made large contributions to this thread but want to abide to the rules if I know what they are. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Brailliant 32 cell display experience
I'd like to see this info as well. John Diakogeorgiou On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to know your experience with Brailliant 32 Braille displays. Please e-mail off list if you feel it might clutter the list. Purchasing a new Braille display is such an expensive thing that I felt I would like to ask a question here. please be as honest as you always are. I think the display is by HumanWare. I don't need notetaking facilities but I do need to know whether the display pairs easily with iDevices, and mac computers and whether it can pair with more than one device. I also need to know whether one can use it to enter text. Many thanks listers, My old display - very old display - is showing signs of having to retire so it is a major investment for me. For a while I considered focus blue 14 but then I hear there may be problems with updating firmware and 14 cells is really so few that I'm worried about constant panning when reading in ibooks or nook or kindle. Many thanks Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard
Rick, does the 810 have a number pad, or do you have to use the FN key for lots of things? Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:22 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard Hi Neal, I have the PC version of that keyboard, the 810 and totally agree with you. I have a bunch of compact keyboards and this is by far my favorite. I love the solid feel it has all the way around. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:39 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard Sorry Apple, Perhaps if you would fix the power button problem, I would have stayed, but I have moved on. As people have said on this list, it is very nice to type On. As someone also said, the keys are concaved. I wondered about this at first, but my fingers fit perfectly into them. The keys are a little smaller than those on the Apple keyboard, but there is space around them so in the end, it is as large as the apple keyboard but you can locate the keys better because of the space instead of having them all run together. I realize keyboards are a personal preference, and I’m not trying to talk anyone into purchasing this one. I just wanted to say that I like it a lot. It was quite easy to pair as well. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: DRM removal
The fair use provision in the copyright act makes it unclear as to whether breaking DRM for your own personal use violates the DMCA. Here's one of many articles talking about this issue http://gizmodo.com/5596571/federal-judge-ok-to-break-drm-for-fair-use There has been an exception made to the DMCA stating that breaking DRM to make an accessible copy for personal use is in agreement with the fair use provision of the copyright act, but the extention of this exception from year to year is not a given. Here's more on this issue http://www.afb.org/info/programs-and-services/public-policy-center/technology-and-information-accessibility/afbs-comments-on-rulemaking-exemption-to-prohibition-on-circumvention-of-copyright-protection/1235 My only point being that whether this is legal or not isn't black and white. On 03/04/2015 06:01 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote: This is true. Because often removing DRM is the only time someone can gain access accessibly to content. Best, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal Although I am not an attorney, my understanding is that if a person is visually impaired and they are unprotecting a book for their own use this is perfectly legal. On 3/4/15, eden eden...@comcast.net wrote: if this is true, I was not aware. I was only referring to books that one had already bought or were free not pirating. Eden On 3/4/2015 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The
RE: DRM removal
This is true. Because often removing DRM is the only time someone can gain access accessibly to content. Best, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal Although I am not an attorney, my understanding is that if a person is visually impaired and they are unprotecting a book for their own use this is perfectly legal. On 3/4/15, eden eden...@comcast.net wrote: if this is true, I was not aware. I was only referring to books that one had already bought or were free not pirating. Eden On 3/4/2015 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
RE: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard
Hi Neal, I have the PC version of that keyboard, the 810 and totally agree with you. I have a bunch of compact keyboards and this is by far my favorite. I love the solid feel it has all the way around. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:39 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard Sorry Apple, Perhaps if you would fix the power button problem, I would have stayed, but I have moved on. As people have said on this list, it is very nice to type On. As someone also said, the keys are concaved. I wondered about this at first, but my fingers fit perfectly into them. The keys are a little smaller than those on the Apple keyboard, but there is space around them so in the end, it is as large as the apple keyboard but you can locate the keys better because of the space instead of having them all run together. I realize keyboards are a personal preference, and I’m not trying to talk anyone into purchasing this one. I just wanted to say that I like it a lot. It was quite easy to pair as well. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
be my eyes update?
HI. I was looking at the what’s new in the latest update to be my eyes. It said something about onboard testing and that it could be accessed by profile and then settings. I opened the app after updating and don’t see anything new. Anyone have any idea what this is? My brother can’t see any difference either. Cheers Maria Produced on macbook probubbygirl1...@gmail.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: DRM removal
thanks for this, I really do appreciate it and I do not want to do anything illegal. On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: The fair use provision in the copyright act makes it unclear as to whether breaking DRM for your own personal use violates the DMCA. Here's one of many articles talking about this issue http://gizmodo.com/5596571/federal-judge-ok-to-break-drm-for-fair-use There has been an exception made to the DMCA stating that breaking DRM to make an accessible copy for personal use is in agreement with the fair use provision of the copyright act, but the extention of this exception from year to year is not a given. Here's more on this issue http://www.afb.org/info/programs-and-services/public-policy-center/technology-and-information-accessibility/afbs-comments-on-rulemaking-exemption-to-prohibition-on-circumvention-of-copyright-protection/1235 My only point being that whether this is legal or not isn't black and white. On 03/04/2015 06:01 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote: This is true. Because often removing DRM is the only time someone can gain access accessibly to content. Best, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal Although I am not an attorney, my understanding is that if a person is visually impaired and they are unprotecting a book for their own use this is perfectly legal. On 3/4/15, eden eden...@comcast.net wrote: if this is true, I was not aware. I was only referring to books that one had already bought or were free not pirating. Eden On 3/4/2015 8:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: If I remember correctly Cara, the list owner, has stated previously that discussions about DRM removal are not welcome on this list. I have to leave for work now so can't check the archives for her post, but I'm pretty sure it's there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eden Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 7:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: DRM removal i have one called Kindle converter, but I am not sure what exactly it came from. It might be from that same thing, but I doubt it. it works fine with Windows 7. If they are free books, I wil download them and see if I can convert them, dm me offlist, I'll try to help. Eden On 3/4/2015 7:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote: It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this
dmca
what *is the DMCA? I’m Canadian so please excuse me. On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming this is a serious question, section 1201(a)of the DMCA provides that “no person shall circumvent a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work” protected by copyright, ... You can read more at http://copyrightcodex.com/exclusive-rights-toc/15-digital-rights-management/ On 03/04/2015 06:22 PM, Kerri G wrote: How on earth is removing drama in order to play it on your own devices illegal anyway? On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Very interesting. Richard, I not necessarily pointing a finger at you here. Others have chimed in on this list, but I do need to say the following. First you point out that it is illegal, and in the next breath, you say that you have tried to do it. Plus, you are now trying, through your email to this list to help other people do things that are not legal. If you don't like the law, then fight to have it changed. But I very much dislike people assuming that just because they are blind, they have some inalienable right to circumvent the law and read what they jolly well please, even if it is illegal. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:13 AM To: ViPone list Subject: DRM removal It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: Simple question about the Logitech keyboard 811
If it is similar to my logitech k760 the 3 keys to the right of the escape key are what you are looking for. If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: dmca
It's the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that was passed into law in the US in 1998. It's the US's implementation of the 1996 WIPO international treaties, so I'd assume Canada and most countries would have their own ersions of laws enforcing the WIPO treaties. You can read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act On 03/04/2015 11:24 PM, Kerri G wrote: what *is the DMCA? I’m Canadian so please excuse me. On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming this is a serious question, section 1201(a)of the DMCA provides that “no person shall circumvent a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work” protected by copyright, ... You can read more at http://copyrightcodex.com/exclusive-rights-toc/15-digital-rights-management/ On 03/04/2015 06:22 PM, Kerri G wrote: How on earth is removing drama in order to play it on your own devices illegal anyway? On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Very interesting. Richard, I not necessarily pointing a finger at you here. Others have chimed in on this list, but I do need to say the following. First you point out that it is illegal, and in the next breath, you say that you have tried to do it. Plus, you are now trying, through your email to this list to help other people do things that are not legal. If you don't like the law, then fight to have it changed. But I very much dislike people assuming that just because they are blind, they have some inalienable right to circumvent the law and read what they jolly well please, even if it is illegal. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:13 AM To: ViPone list Subject: DRM removal It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list
Re: DRM removal
Assuming this is a serious question, section 1201(a)of the DMCA provides that “no person shall circumvent a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work” protected by copyright, ... You can read more at http://copyrightcodex.com/exclusive-rights-toc/15-digital-rights-management/ On 03/04/2015 06:22 PM, Kerri G wrote: How on earth is removing drama in order to play it on your own devices illegal anyway? On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Very interesting. Richard, I not necessarily pointing a finger at you here. Others have chimed in on this list, but I do need to say the following. First you point out that it is illegal, and in the next breath, you say that you have tried to do it. Plus, you are now trying, through your email to this list to help other people do things that are not legal. If you don't like the law, then fight to have it changed. But I very much dislike people assuming that just because they are blind, they have some inalienable right to circumvent the law and read what they jolly well please, even if it is illegal. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:13 AM To: ViPone list Subject: DRM removal It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. winmail.dat -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain
Re: Shortcuts Keyboard app
Richard, Thanks so much for this wonderful description. It's really appreciated! As it's quite late here now, I will be trying it out tomorrow. It sounds as though it could be very useful--a bit like a multi-clipboard--and how I used to love that computer programme! Carol P - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com CC: Date: Wednesday, 4 March 2015 2.40 pm Subject: RE: Shortcuts Keyboard app Once you install the app, then launch it, I found the first few screen were not helpful unless I toggled VoiceOver on and off, then the text refreshed for the introductory material. Once you get to the page 3 of 3 that has a button on it for finding out how to get started, I don't recall exactly what it said but it is the only button, double tap that and it will tell you that you have to go into settings, general, keyboard and double tap on add keyboard and then pick Shortcut Keyboard and double tap. Then, there is a allow full access which is off that you need to turn on. He says he won't upload anything you type, though there is a warning about that. Once you enable full access, then go back to the app and launch it again. There will be a couple sample phrases and an add button. Once you add a phrase you want to just be able to select later, there is a save button. Then, when writing an Email, or anywhere else, just go to the bottom of the screen to the left of the spacebar and find the next keyboard button. Double tap that until the name Shortcut Keyboard shows up. Then, above the onscreen keyboard will be all the phrases you have saved in the app and you just double tap the one you want to insert at that point. HTH, Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3.31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Shortcuts Keyboard app This sounds interesting. Is there a help document anywhere, please! Otherwise, could you point me to the podcast! Thanks! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 3 Mar 2015, at 11.35 pm, David Cleveland davidtclevel...@gmail.com wrote: this app was highly touted by Garth Humphries on his podcast. It works very well with voiceover. It allows you to create a new keyboard available with your favorite text snippets$all you have to do is tap on the one you want to insert into your text field. It does not require you to come up with abbreviations for shortcuts like the built-in keyboard shortcuts does. The app is free today. So you only have a couple of hours left to take advantage of it. Shortcuts Keyboard by Matt Gardner https://appsto.re/us/1v,k32.;i -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/.
RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack
I usually carry 2-3 battery packs on to the plane with me with no issue. I’ve traveled with most of the big airlines in the u.s. with no issues. HTH From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack Cargo areas are pressurized but not heated completely. One needs to keep in mind that often at 30,000 or 35,000 feet altitude where jets fly the temperature is as low as -60 Fahrenheit and while cargo areas are usually heated so it doesn’t go below freezing, it is still cold in there. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SSEric Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack I understood that to mean shipping batteries in quantity, not the individual having one. I think the issue is in the cargo area, which is not pressurized. I could be mistaken… Eric _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack Hi Jonathan, I was taken back a bit when I heard this news story this morning. I'm seriously thinking on updating my external battery to handle a larger charge capacity. Your right,!!! How in the world could any airline enforce this crazy regulation? The next chance I have to fly will be in the summer I'll have to choose my airline wisely LOL. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Eileen. I haven't had an issue yet. I've not caught up with that news report, but I wonder how practical it is to enforce? Are they going to stop people from bringing their laptops and phones on board? Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 4/03/2015, at 7:32 am, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jonathan, I'm going to change the subject line. I just heard on the radio this morning that United Airline has joined Delta in banning lithium batteries on their flights. Have you had any problems carrying on the external battery pack in your tech carry on? I know that you travel more than I internationally. Since the Anker battery pack is larger than my New Trent 7000, I want to replace it with a larger one. Thanks for your advise in advance. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To
RE: Simple question about the Logitech keyboard 811
Neal and Cliff, as I recall, for me, I had to press the paire button first then f1 f2 or f3. Perhaps I’m wrong but if Cliff’s way doesn’t work try it this way. The Pair button is on the back of the keyboard, near the upper right hand cornor, about 2 inches down from the top and 1 inch over from the right. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliph Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 2:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Simple question about the Logitech keyboard 811 Yes, there is a hide keyboard button, it’s just to the left of the escape key. As for pairing the device, it uses the f1 through f3 keys. Select witch one you want your device to be paired with, then push the pair button on the underside of the keyboard. It is located just under the delete or backspace key. HTH Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV? New user and want quick efficient answers? Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute? Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always patient with you. Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple https://twitter.com/PealTheApple And ask your question there. All are welcome! On Mar 4, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Hi, As there will be no one here whose eyes work when I get my keyboard, I wonder if someone can tell me where the keys are that allow you to pair with 3 different devices. I think I read, or was told, that one presses one of these keys, goes to settings in the phone, selects the keyboard and it pairs itself. Whether or not this works, it would be nice to know where these keys are. Oh, one other thing. Is there a hide keyboard key like there is on the apple keyboard, or does one simply turn off the keyboard when one wants to use the device keyboard? Thanks much for your help. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. winmail.dat -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: DRM removal
How on earth is removing drama in order to play it on your own devices illegal anyway? On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Very interesting. Richard, I not necessarily pointing a finger at you here. Others have chimed in on this list, but I do need to say the following. First you point out that it is illegal, and in the next breath, you say that you have tried to do it. Plus, you are now trying, through your email to this list to help other people do things that are not legal. If you don't like the law, then fight to have it changed. But I very much dislike people assuming that just because they are blind, they have some inalienable right to circumvent the law and read what they jolly well please, even if it is illegal. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:13 AM To: ViPone list Subject: DRM removal It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. winmail.dat -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's
Re: Bluetooth Keyboards till an issue with VO?
Its just not the keyboard. I have had the same thing happen with the on screen keyboard. If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard
Neil, I use the K a tan with a tablet. What you can do with logitech is you can download a small program from them which change the functioning of the function keys. You can set them to regular function key so you don't have to use the FN key. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Rick, does the 810 have a number pad, or do you have to use the FN key for lots of things? Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:22 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard Hi Neal, I have the PC version of that keyboard, the 810 and totally agree with you. I have a bunch of compact keyboards and this is by far my favorite. I love the solid feel it has all the way around. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:39 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: I love my Logitech 811 keyboard Sorry Apple, Perhaps if you would fix the power button problem, I would have stayed, but I have moved on. As people have said on this list, it is very nice to type On. As someone also said, the keys are concaved. I wondered about this at first, but my fingers fit perfectly into them. The keys are a little smaller than those on the Apple keyboard, but there is space around them so in the end, it is as large as the apple keyboard but you can locate the keys better because of the space instead of having them all run together. I realize keyboards are a personal preference, and I’m not trying to talk anyone into purchasing this one. I just wanted to say that I like it a lot. It was quite easy to pair as well. Neal -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are
Re: dmca
It's the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that was passed into law in the US in 1998. It's the US's implementation of the 1996 WIPO international treaties, so I'd assume Canada and most countries would have their own ersions of laws enforcing the WIPO treaties. On 03/04/2015 11:24 PM, Kerri G wrote: what *is the DMCA? I’m Canadian so please excuse me. On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming this is a serious question, section 1201(a)of the DMCA provides that “no person shall circumvent a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work” protected by copyright, ... You can read more at http://copyrightcodex.com/exclusive-rights-toc/15-digital-rights-management/ On 03/04/2015 06:22 PM, Kerri G wrote: How on earth is removing drama in order to play it on your own devices illegal anyway? On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Very interesting. Richard, I not necessarily pointing a finger at you here. Others have chimed in on this list, but I do need to say the following. First you point out that it is illegal, and in the next breath, you say that you have tried to do it. Plus, you are now trying, through your email to this list to help other people do things that are not legal. If you don't like the law, then fight to have it changed. But I very much dislike people assuming that just because they are blind, they have some inalienable right to circumvent the law and read what they jolly well please, even if it is illegal. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:13 AM To: ViPone list Subject: DRM removal It has been recommended on this list that Calibre is a handy program to remove DRM so we can read our purchased books in our favorite reader instead of being tied to the particular reader for a particular book format. In investigating this on the Calibre web site, I came across an online book by one of the Calibre developers. The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook By John Schember This is what he has to say about DRM removal: Begin quote: DRM the bane of conversion DRM, as noted, stands for Digital Rights Management. Let's think about physical books for a moment. With a physical book, you can lend, and sell that book. But when you do either, you have to go without the book. With e-books, that is not the case. E-books are just files on the computer and they can be copied any number of times and given away any number of times. DRM is designed and was created to prevent unlimited copying of an electronic file (although some e-book users would also note that it is a handy way for companies to try to lock them into specific brands). DRM affords different books various rights as determined by the publisher and seller. Some can be read on more than one device. Some will allow for partial copying and printing. Simply put, DRM restricts what you can do with an e-book. Any e-book with DRM cannot be converted to a different format. This is because conversion itself would require the removal of the DRM. Not all e-book formats support DRM and different e-book formats support different sets of privileges granted by the DRM. There is no way to move the DRM with the content when converting; thus DRM prevents conversion. You might be tempted to look for some way to remove DRM from e-books in order to facilitate conversion. A word of warning about doing this: In the USA there is a law known as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This law makes it illegal to circumvent a copy protection system (DRM). It also makes it illegal to produce tools, distribute tools, and aid in circumvention. Not everyone lives in the USA, but many countries have similar laws. Check your local laws and realize that even though you my may only want to read an EPUB book you've legally purchased on your Kindle, it may not be legal to do so. If you're don't like this silliness-and I don't-then speak up to whoever in your country makes the relevant laws. End of quote. In spite of this, I have tried to remove DRM from a Kindle book that I would much rather read in Voice Dream Reader, but have not found a way to accomplish this on Windows 8.1.1. The latest Calibre does not allow for DRM removal. Some have mention an eBook Convertor, but that seems to just be an addon to Calibre. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You
Re: Looking for a keyboard for my iPhone 6 that has a toggle on off switch
The keyboard for the iPad mini may work. If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Footnotes in the Youversion Bible app
Hi Cheryl, First, I'm sorry that I've been a few days in getting round to look at this but life has been hectic here and I just haven't had much time to read mail, never mind answer it!:) Anyway, I've done the following and got no success: First I ensured Footnotes was enabled in Settings. Second I chose a Bible that I know should have Footnotes, so I settled on the KJV! I chose verses that I felt sure should have footnotes. On listening through the chapter, I could find no indication that there was a footnote. I looked at the end of the chapter and still found nothing. Finally, I highlighted verses, then checked again. I still didn't find anything! I'm wondering if they appear in a different colour but, even if they do, I couldn't think of another way to find them. I have, in the past, sent in bug reports but not for ages and will have to look again on how to do this. Have you thought of anything else we may, or should we now file a bug report? I'm so sorry not to come up with better news! Carol P - Original Message - From: Cheryl Lenartiene cheryl.lenarti...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com CC: Date: Monday, 2 March 2015 3.54 pm Subject: Footnotes in the Youversion Bible app Hi all, Does anyone know how to get footnotes to display with VO in the Youversion Bible app? I can see the pound signs indicating that there are footnotes, but there seems to be no way to view the footnotes. I can see the footnotes in Bible Gateway, so there is an alternative, but I prefer the layout of the Youversion app. Help appreciated. Cheryl Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5.16-18 Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Hi all, Does anyone know how to get footnotes to display with VO in the Youversion Bible app? I can see the pound signs indicating that there are footnotes, but there seems to be no way to view the footnotes. I can see the footnotes in Bible Gateway, so there is an alternative, but I prefer the layout of the Youversion app. Help appreciated. Cheryl Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5.16-18 Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: written guide for ITunes 12
I wrote one on the list weeks ago. I'll see if I can find it, otherwise I'll write another. If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Shortcuts Keyboard app
This sounds interesting. Is there a help document anywhere, please! Otherwise, could you point me to the podcast! Thanks! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 3 Mar 2015, at 11:35 pm, David Cleveland davidtclevel...@gmail.com wrote: this app was highly touted by Garth Humphries on his podcast. It works very well with voiceover. It allows you to create a new keyboard available with your favorite text snippets.all you have to do is tap on the one you want to insert into your text field. It does not require you to come up with abbreviations for shortcuts like the built-in keyboard shortcuts does. The app is free today. So you only have a couple of hours left to take advantage of it. Shortcuts Keyboard by Matt Gardner https://appsto.re/us/1vK32.i -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Accessible html editor
try IEditor. If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack
I understood that to mean shipping batteries in quantity, not the individual having one. I think the issue is in the cargo area, which is not pressurized. I could be mistaken. Eric _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Any Issues Boarding A Flight with the External Battery Pack Hi Jonathan, I was taken back a bit when I heard this news story this morning. I'm seriously thinking on updating my external battery to handle a larger charge capacity. Your right,!!! How in the world could any airline enforce this crazy regulation? The next chance I have to fly will be in the summer I'll have to choose my airline wisely LOL. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Eileen. I haven't had an issue yet. I've not caught up with that news report, but I wonder how practical it is to enforce? Are they going to stop people from bringing their laptops and phones on board? Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 4/03/2015, at 7:32 am, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jonathan, I'm going to change the subject line. I just heard on the radio this morning that United Airline has joined Delta in banning lithium batteries on their flights. Have you had any problems carrying on the external battery pack in your tech carry on? I know that you travel more than I internationally. Since the Anker battery pack is larger than my New Trent 7000, I want to replace it with a larger one. Thanks for your advise in advance. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
RE: Shortcuts Keyboard app
Once you install the app, then launch it, I found the first few screen were not helpful unless I toggled VoiceOver on and off, then the text refreshed for the introductory material. Once you get to the page 3 of 3 that has a button on it for finding out how to get started, I don't recall exactly what it said but it is the only button, double tap that and it will tell you that you have to go into settings, general, keyboard and double tap on add keyboard and then pick Shortcut Keyboard and double tap. Then, there is a allow full access which is off that you need to turn on. He says he won't upload anything you type, though there is a warning about that. Once you enable full access, then go back to the app and launch it again. There will be a couple sample phrases and an add button. Once you add a phrase you want to just be able to select later, there is a save button. Then, when writing an Email, or anywhere else, just go to the bottom of the screen to the left of the spacebar and find the next keyboard button. Double tap that until the name Shortcut Keyboard shows up. Then, above the onscreen keyboard will be all the phrases you have saved in the app and you just double tap the one you want to insert at that point. HTH, Richard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 3:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Shortcuts Keyboard app This sounds interesting. Is there a help document anywhere, please! Otherwise, could you point me to the podcast! Thanks! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 3 Mar 2015, at 11:35 pm, David Cleveland davidtclevel...@gmail.com wrote: this app was highly touted by Garth Humphries on his podcast. It works very well with voiceover. It allows you to create a new keyboard available with your favorite text snippets.all you have to do is tap on the one you want to insert into your text field. It does not require you to come up with abbreviations for shortcuts like the built-in keyboard shortcuts does. The app is free today. So you only have a couple of hours left to take advantage of it. Shortcuts Keyboard by Matt Gardner https://appsto.re/us/1vK32.i -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Accessible html editor
Voice Dream Writer can export as html. If you use the number signs to mark up headings, it exports the heading codes to the html document. I'm going to assume that bullets, italics will also export, and probably paragraphs. I need to do more experimenting, but this is rather promising. Richard I always wanted to be somebody when I grew up. Now I see I should have been more specific. – Jane Wagner, from In Search of Intelligent Life in the Universe On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:48 AM, Chris Chaffin cchaf...@twcny.rr.com wrote: Hello All, I help out doing some minor html editing for a website, and I am looking for an accessible html editor for iOS. I have checked on AppleVis, but did not have any result. If anyone knows of an accessible html editor for iOS, please let me know. Thanks, Chris Chaffin Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
