RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows

[Simon A Fogarty]

Any more,

Safari for windows did exist about 10 or so years back,

I don't believe it really took off,

Unlike internet explorer for the mac which was the browser to use back in the 
day.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, 12 June 2021 2:12 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows

You don't hear of blind people or others for that matter running Safari on 
their PC because Safari does not exist for Windows users.
Apart from that there is ltittle use in speculating until this is available and 
we can all try it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 5:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows

Hm, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think of Apple as having all that 
great a reputation of making simple, easy to use and accessible applications on 
other platforms. I still hear people complaining about iTunes on Windows. Last 
I knew, iCloud on the PC also wasn't the most accessible application either. I 
don't hear of many blind people running Safari on their PC's. Sorry, but I'm 
still skeptical! 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 3:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FaceTime on Android and Windows

I am pretty sure it won't be all that complicated hell apple is not known for 
being overly complicated anyways.

On 6/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Joshua,
> Do you have an extra crystal ball I could borrow? You seem to know 
> something works easier before its competition has even been released.
> I know people who have torn their hair out over trying to share a 
> video over Zoom.
> Time will tell if Apple's share play works any better, but that cannot 
> be known until it is released.
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2021, at 6:14 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>
> I'll just stick with zoom or skype on my computer.  They both just 
> work easier.
>
> On 6/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Well, we have only heard that it is a planned feature; no info about 
> implementation, accessibility, or anything; so being skeptical makes 
> perfect sense.
> I'm sure once public beta testing begins, there will be more details 
> around on the web concerning this.
>
> Just the fact that Apple is looking at a way to provide access to 
> non-Apple devices to FaceTime calls is worth taking note of.
>
> If this works well, it could replace Skype and Zoom and a few other 
> things if the screen sharing and all work as planned.
>
> A big if, but possibly very good.
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C0535b118fc62482477b408d92c11a529%7
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>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 4:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows
>
> I'm not sure how much this will open up the video conferencing world 
> since there are already so many options to choose from. Also, as a 
> blind person, I find using an application is generally preferable over 
> using the web interface, so I'm a bit skeptical of joining a Facetime 
> video conference through my browser on Windows or Android.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 9:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows
>
> Yes this was mentioned and the connection on android and windows 
> devices is to be done through the web browsers on the non apple devices.
> Which to me is going to open the video conferencing world up so much 
> more now that facetime can be used on multiple platforms.
> Rather than everyone relying on the likes of zoom.
>
> It appeared to me that the majority of the features to come, Have 
> really been pushed by what has happened world 

RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows

[Simon A Fogarty]

I didn't hear of anyone sighted using safari when it was available for windows.

Especially when chrome, and firefox were available and worked.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, 12 June 2021 4:20 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows

Ah, true, I should have said that I didn't hear of many blind users using 
Safari when it was available for Windows.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows

You don't hear of blind people or others for that matter running Safari on 
their PC because Safari does not exist for Windows users.
Apart from that there is ltittle use in speculating until this is available and 
we can all try it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 5:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows

Hm, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think of Apple as having all that 
great a reputation of making simple, easy to use and accessible applications on 
other platforms. I still hear people complaining about iTunes on Windows. Last 
I knew, iCloud on the PC also wasn't the most accessible application either. I 
don't hear of many blind people running Safari on their PC's. Sorry, but I'm 
still skeptical! 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 3:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FaceTime on Android and Windows

I am pretty sure it won't be all that complicated hell apple is not known for 
being overly complicated anyways.

On 6/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Joshua,
> Do you have an extra crystal ball I could borrow? You seem to know 
> something works easier before its competition has even been released.
> I know people who have torn their hair out over trying to share a 
> video over Zoom.
> Time will tell if Apple's share play works any better, but that cannot 
> be known until it is released.
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2021, at 6:14 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>
> I'll just stick with zoom or skype on my computer.  They both just 
> work easier.
>
> On 6/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Well, we have only heard that it is a planned feature; no info about 
> implementation, accessibility, or anything; so being skeptical makes 
> perfect sense.
> I'm sure once public beta testing begins, there will be more details 
> around on the web concerning this.
>
> Just the fact that Apple is looking at a way to provide access to 
> non-Apple devices to FaceTime calls is worth taking note of.
>
> If this works well, it could replace Skype and Zoom and a few other 
> things if the screen sharing and all work as planned.
>
> A big if, but possibly very good.
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C0535b118fc62482477b408d92c11a529%7
> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637589276572573063%7CUnkno
> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=uwS%2FQtixn3XwEva3snvoTu%2BE%2Fo3IBTePS
> xFJpPHwx3U%3Dreserved=0 .com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C0535b
> 118fc62482477b408d92c11a529%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0
> %7C637589276572573063%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQ
> IjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=uwS%2FQtix
> n3XwEva3snvoTu%2BE%2Fo3IBTePSxFJpPHwx3U%3Dreserved=0>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 4:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows
>
> I'm not sure how much this will open up the video conferencing world 
> since there are already so many options to choose from. Also, as a 
> blind person, I find using an application is generally preferable over 
> using the web interface, so I'm a bit skeptical of joining a Facetime 
> video conference through my browser on Windows or Android.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 9:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: FaceTime on Android and Windows
>
> Yes this was mentioned and the connection on android and windows 
> devices is to be done through the web browsers on the 

Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Richard Turner]

For the computer, you plug the Usb dongle into a USB port on your compputer, 
and press the first device key; The first of the three device keys is already 
paired to that USB dogle.
To pair then with a bluetooth device; like an iPhone.
Do the usual, and open the Bluetooth settings on your iPhone.
Then hold down the device 2 or 3 key on the keyboard. When the keyboard shows 
up, double tap on it and they are paired.
You can now just press the device key you want for the device you'd like to use 
with the keyboard.
HTH,



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Jun 12, 2021, at 2:41 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Hi Richard,

I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
Best,

Hi Richard,

I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
Best,
Les
Sent from my iPhone

On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:



Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS

I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
back to an ergonomic keyboard.
So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the better 
ergonomic keyboards.

I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
I'll start with the negatives.

Cons:
(When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but there 
is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
ergonomics of the thing.
5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split is 
between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit of 
hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.

Pros:
1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
feet in the back.
2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in the 
USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble communicating 
with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that toggles you between 
standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy to press accidentally.
3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 years.  
I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above the 
Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear.  
Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, making 
it a 9 pack.
It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function on 
my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me device 
3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished writing 
this in Word on my computer.
7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly under 
it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your finger 
straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some it 
would also be a pro.

For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key layout 
that involves the 

Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

[Donna Casteen]

Richard,

The apps that I use that screen recognition makes the app accessible are 
UCHealth. This app is mostly accessible. SR is needed to get drop down menus to 
open, put focus on text fields for entering in dates. Getting out., this app is 
mostly accessible. SR is needed to open drop down menus, access text fields for 
entering dates, credit card info & the I agree check box. Go visits, SR is 
needed to enter dates & drop down menus, so that the entire list of menu items 
are visible & can be selected. Radish, this app is the least accessible of the 
4 apps. Without SR most of the elements of the app are not visible & can not be 
activated by tapping. With the use of SR the tab bar along the bottom is 
visible, the Back arrows are visible, other tabs within the app can be 
activated by tapping. SR has to be toggled On/Off a lot during use of the app. 
A good understanding & how to use SR is most definitely necessary. A new iPhone 
user may have trouble using the app.

Donna

> 
> 
> Donna
> Would you mind sharing the name of the apps where Screen Recognition helps?  
> If not, tha tis fine.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
> Casteen
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 11:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader
>  
> I have 4 apps in which screen recognition helps with making certain parts of 
> each app accessible. Without screen recognition these apps would be 
> unaccessible to voiceover users. The problem with screen recognitions 
> usability within an app isn't consistent. With the inconsistent behavior 
> within any one app, this confuses most voiceover users. The biggest problem & 
> it is inconsistent- When an app is updated, screen recognition gets turned on 
> during the update. & when an app is first downloaded screen recognition is on 
> by default. This is also inconsistent. I have yet figured out why some apps, 
> when being updated or downloaded for the first time, screen recognition gets 
> turned on, while other apps screen recognition has to be turned on by the 
> rotor or selecting the app in voice recognition in accessibility voiceover 
> settings. Unfortunately, I have no second device in which to use to beta test 
> screen recognition, so that the feature is usable for all voiceover users. 
> Screen recognition is a great feature when it works as intended.
>  
> Donna
>   
>  
> 
> I just tested this, I have screen recognition turned on in Voiceover 
> Settings, but all apps were deselected. I tried this now by selecting Aira 
> and 3 random other apps and I can confirm that none of these apps worked 
> after I selected them for screen recognition.
> They would open and were in the app switcher, but the only part of the screen 
> Voiceover would read was the status bar at the top, anywhere else on the 
> screen it would just ding.
> I then turned/deselected these apps again and still Voiceover would not read 
> anything even removing the apps from the app switcher and trying again was 
> the same, only after closing all apps and turning my iphone off and back on 
> restored the prior behaviour where Aira and the other apps would again work 
> as before. I should also mention that with these apps selected for Screen 
> Recognition in Settings, the Screen Recognition rotor item was not present, 
> now after deselecting thema nd rebooting the iPhone, screen recognition is 
> once again available in the rotor and turning it on from inside the app does 
> not make the app unusable, it will just make it less useable in some cases as 
> I described yesterday using Facebook and the App Store as examples.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dana 
> Leet
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader
>  
> Good morning everyone. I thought I would respond to this message in hopes 
> that a lot of you will read it. There is definitely a major bug with this 
> latest iOS update 14.6 it is happening on my husband and my SE 2020s and it 
> makes sense Vickie that it’s happening on your iPad for some reason if you 
> ever turn screen recognition on we are finding that some apps are refusing to 
> open. My husband is not able to get Outlook or Aira to open on his phone and 
> I downloaded a new app last night and it would not open on my phone. We 
> contacted Apple support, and they had us do screen sharing that and they are 
> advising anyone who is having these problems to contact Apple and have it 
> screen shared so that they can figure out what is going on because it is 
> happening where many of us due to this latest update are having trouble 
> opening apps. I am certainly hoping that my voice stream does not mess up 
> because I have thousands of books in it
> 
> If you love wax melts, soap, bath and 

Re: two things, twitter and clubhouse

[Lelia Struve]

Thanks for letting me know i'm not alone. 

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been kicked out of rooms on Clubhouse, but haven’t gotten kicked out of 
> the app yet. I’m also having issues adding my Twitter to my Clubhouse 
> profile. As for Twitter, yes I’m also having that same issue where I’m not 
> able to see all the tweets.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, first, what's up with twitter? I can't see all of my tweets.  
>> As for clubhouse I have two questions.  1 Has anyone had problems trying to 
>> add twitter? Also has anyone had problems being kicked out of the app?
>> 
>> Lelia 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Spotify

[Feliciano Godoy]

Strange. I suggest you delete the Spotify app and re-download it. Maybe that 
will solve your issue.

Feliciano
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> On Jun 12, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Feliciano,
> 
> Yeah that’s what one of my other blind friends have told me. The create 
> playlist button is still there for him too but he wrote to Spotify support on 
> behalf of me I guess because he told me that they’re going to fix that in the 
> next update.
> 
> Wendy
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> It's still there. Nothing has changed. Once you are in the now playing 
>> screen, on the top, you have more options. Activate that and then go into 
>> add to playlist and then there you have the option to create a new playlist. 
>> from the list screen, you can do a one finger swipe up to find more options 
>> as well.
>> 
>> Feliciano
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>> 
 On Jun 9, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi group,
>>> 
>>> Have you guys noticed that there’s no more create playlist button in the 
>>> Spotify app for iPhone, or maybe it’s just my device? I just noticed that 
>>> today and the app was last updated on May 27th. I just emailed to the 
>>> Spotify support team but not sure if that will help and if they will help. 
>>> Under your library tab and under playlists, I only see a list of all my 
>>> playlists I’ve created, songs I liked and all the podcasts I’ve listened 
>>> to, but no create playlist button.
>>> 
>>> Wendy
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Re: Spotify

[Wendy Lin]

Hi Feliciano,

Yeah that’s what one of my other blind friends have told me. The create 
playlist button is still there for him too but he wrote to Spotify support on 
behalf of me I guess because he told me that they’re going to fix that in the 
next update.

Wendy

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> It's still there. Nothing has changed. Once you are in the now playing 
> screen, on the top, you have more options. Activate that and then go into add 
> to playlist and then there you have the option to create a new playlist. from 
> the list screen, you can do a one finger swipe up to find more options as 
> well.
> 
> Feliciano
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>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi group,
>> 
>> Have you guys noticed that there’s no more create playlist button in the 
>> Spotify app for iPhone, or maybe it’s just my device? I just noticed that 
>> today and the app was last updated on May 27th. I just emailed to the 
>> Spotify support team but not sure if that will help and if they will help. 
>> Under your library tab and under playlists, I only see a list of all my 
>> playlists I’ve created, songs I liked and all the podcasts I’ve listened to, 
>> but no create playlist button.
>> 
>> Wendy
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Re: two things, twitter and clubhouse

[Wendy Lin]

I’ve been kicked out of rooms on Clubhouse, but haven’t gotten kicked out of 
the app yet. I’m also having issues adding my Twitter to my Clubhouse profile. 
As for Twitter, yes I’m also having that same issue where I’m not able to see 
all the tweets.


> On Jun 10, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
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> Hi all, first, what's up with twitter? I can't see all of my tweets.  
> As for clubhouse I have two questions.  1 Has anyone had problems trying to 
> add twitter? Also has anyone had problems being kicked out of the app?
> 
> Lelia 
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Re: Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS, updated info about the Applications key

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Richard,

I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
Best,

Hi Richard,

I appreciate your review, it is very helpful. I am planning to purchase this 
keyboard in the next week or so. My question is this. How do you set up a 
Bluetooth pairing with this keyboard? I know about the three assignment keys 
and I’m wondering if that is part of the process. Thanks.
Best,
Les
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 4, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> Logitech K860 Wireless ergonomic keyboard for Windows/android or Mac/iOS
>  
> I needed a new keyboard as my 15-year-old USB keyboard was starting to have 
> problems with a few keys and my old hands are deciding that it is time to go 
> back to an ergonomic keyboard.
> So, after doing some research, I settled on what is rated as one of the 
> better ergonomic keyboards.
>  
> I was not set on wireless, but that is the way the world is going and since I 
> like Logitech products in general, I went with this one.
> Logitech K860 Split wireless Ergonomic keyboard.  It is pricy at $130.
> I'll start with the negatives.
>  
> Cons:
> (When I first wrote this up, I thought there was no Applications Key, but 
> there is, listed as number 8 under Pros.)
> 1.  Only one Windows key on the left.
> 2.  No accessible documentation.  And no true documentation about the 
> hieroglyphic symbols   used on some of the keys.
> 3.  It is too easy to toggle to the media functions for the function keys.
> 4.  It is pretty large.  Left to right it is the same width as my standard 
> Wired USB keyboard.  Front to back it is about 1.5 times as deep.  And, of 
> course, much higher off the desk at the front edge due to the curve for the 
> ergonomics of the thing.
> 5.  *Not really a con, just the nature of ergonomic keyboards, but the split 
> is between the 6 and 7, (and f6 and f7) keys, so for touch typists, the habit 
> of hitting the 6and F6 with your right index finger has to be retrained.
>  
> Pros:
> 1.  It is probably the most comfortable keyboard I have ever typed on.  The 
> wrist rest is quite comfortable, and for me, at the right height Plus, it has 
> feet under the front edge so you can raise it up to a more level arrangement 
> which fits me perfectly.  It is already on a slight angle so no real need for 
> feet in the back.
> 2.  Easy setup with or without the Logitech Options package.  I plugged in 
> the USB receiver turned on the keyboard and Windows 10 had no trouble 
> communicating with it.  There is a little key next to the f12 key that 
> toggles you between standard function keys and the media function keys.  Easy 
> to press accidentally.
> 3.  It takes two triple A batteries, and they say that they will last 2 
> years.  I believe it based on my experience with the K480.
> 4.  This is a full-sized keyboard with the number pad.
> 5.  If I used the Windows Calculator more, this has a designated key above 
> the Num-lock key to launch the Windows Calculator.
> 6.  It can connect to 3 devices.  Either 3 Bluetooth devices or 1 USB and 2 
> Bluetooth, and/or possibly 2 USB devices and one Bluetooth, that isn't clear. 
>  Connecting it to my iPhone was easy after I called their support line.
> The three keys for switching between devices are right above the 6 pack, 
> making it a 9 pack.
> It is tremendously easy to switch devices.  I wanted to check a key function 
> on my iPhone while I was writing this, so I tapped the iPhone key, (for me 
> device 3)  did my checking, tapped the computer key, (device 1), and finished 
> writing this in Word on my computer.
> 7.  It has a physical on/off switch located on the back edge and slightly 
> under it.  If you feel where the split is between f6 and f7, and slide your 
> finger straight back, you are on it.  Flipped to the right is on.
> 8.  There is an Applications key after all, it is the second key from the top 
> right most key..  It is easy to toggle between the standard function keys and 
> the media function keys.  I know, I listed this under the cons, but for some 
> it would also be a pro.
>  
> For anyone else who has, or ends up with this keyboard, here is the key 
> layout that involves the missing or extra keys.
>  
> ON the very top row, it is mostly standard, but here goes starting from the 
> top left key:
> Escape
> F1
> f2
> f3
> f4
> f5
> f6
> f7
> f8
> f9
> f10
> f11
> f12
> The Function Toggle
> Print Screen, which is longer than the other keys.
> Device 1
> Device 2
> Device 3
> Calculator key
> Battery indicator with one of the hieroglyphic symbols my wife couldn't 
> identify).
> I am guessing that is for use with the Logitech Options software.
> App Menu, Applications Key
> Windows Lock key.  This key allows you to lock your computer, so you 

RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

[Richard Turner]

Donna
Would you mind sharing the name of the apps where Screen Recognition helps?  If 
not, tha tis fine.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

I have 4 apps in which screen recognition helps with making certain parts of 
each app accessible. Without screen recognition these apps would be 
unaccessible to voiceover users. The problem with screen recognitions usability 
within an app isn't consistent. With the inconsistent behavior within any one 
app, this confuses most voiceover users. The biggest problem & it is 
inconsistent- When an app is updated, screen recognition gets turned on during 
the update. & when an app is first downloaded screen recognition is on by 
default. This is also inconsistent. I have yet figured out why some apps, when 
being updated or downloaded for the first time, screen recognition gets turned 
on, while other apps screen recognition has to be turned on by the rotor or 
selecting the app in voice recognition in accessibility voiceover settings. 
Unfortunately, I have no second device in which to use to beta test screen 
recognition, so that the feature is usable for all voiceover users. Screen 
recognition is a great feature when it works as intended.

Donna



I just tested this, I have screen recognition turned on in Voiceover Settings, 
but all apps were deselected. I tried this now by selecting Aira and 3 random 
other apps and I can confirm that none of these apps worked after I selected 
them for screen recognition.
They would open and were in the app switcher, but the only part of the screen 
Voiceover would read was the status bar at the top, anywhere else on the screen 
it would just ding.
I then turned/deselected these apps again and still Voiceover would not read 
anything even removing the apps from the app switcher and trying again was the 
same, only after closing all apps and turning my iphone off and back on 
restored the prior behaviour where Aira and the other apps would again work as 
before. I should also mention that with these apps selected for Screen 
Recognition in Settings, the Screen Recognition rotor item was not present, now 
after deselecting thema nd rebooting the iPhone, screen recognition is once 
again available in the rotor and turning it on from inside the app does not 
make the app unusable, it will just make it less useable in some cases as I 
described yesterday using Facebook and the App Store as examples.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dana 
Leet
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

Good morning everyone. I thought I would respond to this message in hopes that 
a lot of you will read it. There is definitely a major bug with this latest iOS 
update 14.6 it is happening on my husband and my SE 2020s and it makes sense 
Vickie that it’s happening on your iPad for some reason if you ever turn screen 
recognition on we are finding that some apps are refusing to open. My husband 
is not able to get Outlook or Aira to open on his phone and I downloaded a new 
app last night and it would not open on my phone. We contacted Apple support, 
and they had us do screen sharing that and they are advising anyone who is 
having these problems to contact Apple and have it screen shared so that they 
can figure out what is going on because it is happening where many of us due to 
this latest update are having trouble opening apps. I am certainly hoping that 
my voice stream does not mess up because I have thousands of books in it
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On Jun 11, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Vicki 

Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

[Donna Casteen]

I have 4 apps in which screen recognition helps with making certain parts of 
each app accessible. Without screen recognition these apps would be 
unaccessible to voiceover users. The problem with screen recognitions usability 
within an app isn't consistent. With the inconsistent behavior within any one 
app, this confuses most voiceover users. The biggest problem & it is 
inconsistent- When an app is updated, screen recognition gets turned on during 
the update. & when an app is first downloaded screen recognition is on by 
default. This is also inconsistent. I have yet figured out why some apps, when 
being updated or downloaded for the first time, screen recognition gets turned 
on, while other apps screen recognition has to be turned on by the rotor or 
selecting the app in voice recognition in accessibility voiceover settings. 
Unfortunately, I have no second device in which to use to beta test screen 
recognition, so that the feature is usable for all voiceover users. Screen 
recognition is a great feature when it works as intended.

Donna
  
> 
> 
> I just tested this, I have screen recognition turned on in Voiceover 
> Settings, but all apps were deselected. I tried this now by selecting Aira 
> and 3 random other apps and I can confirm that none of these apps worked 
> after I selected them for screen recognition.
> They would open and were in the app switcher, but the only part of the screen 
> Voiceover would read was the status bar at the top, anywhere else on the 
> screen it would just ding.
> I then turned/deselected these apps again and still Voiceover would not read 
> anything even removing the apps from the app switcher and trying again was 
> the same, only after closing all apps and turning my iphone off and back on 
> restored the prior behaviour where Aira and the other apps would again work 
> as before. I should also mention that with these apps selected for Screen 
> Recognition in Settings, the Screen Recognition rotor item was not present, 
> now after deselecting thema nd rebooting the iPhone, screen recognition is 
> once again available in the rotor and turning it on from inside the app does 
> not make the app unusable, it will just make it less useable in some cases as 
> I described yesterday using Facebook and the App Store as examples.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dana 
> Leet
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader
>  
> Good morning everyone. I thought I would respond to this message in hopes 
> that a lot of you will read it. There is definitely a major bug with this 
> latest iOS update 14.6 it is happening on my husband and my SE 2020s and it 
> makes sense Vickie that it’s happening on your iPad for some reason if you 
> ever turn screen recognition on we are finding that some apps are refusing to 
> open. My husband is not able to get Outlook or Aira to open on his phone and 
> I downloaded a new app last night and it would not open on my phone. We 
> contacted Apple support, and they had us do screen sharing that and they are 
> advising anyone who is having these problems to contact Apple and have it 
> screen shared so that they can figure out what is going on because it is 
> happening where many of us due to this latest update are having trouble 
> opening apps. I am certainly hoping that my voice stream does not mess up 
> because I have thousands of books in it
> 
> If you love wax melts, soap, bath and body items and anything to make you or 
> your house smell wonderful visit my site for soy L Scents 
> Http://www.my-soylscents.com/Dandi0821
> Also join my Facebook group we will play awesome games and I will have 
> several giveaways monthly 
> https://m.facebook.com/groups/1442152382752404?_rdr 
> 
> 
> On Jun 11, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Vicki W.  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know there are a couple of places where you can delete the app, but which 
> is the best place and then do I just look under my purchased apps to 
> reinstall it?
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:56 AM
> Subject: RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader
>  
> When you did get into VDR, did you re-login to Bookshare, assuming you were 
> using Bookshare?
> His update a little while ago added Bookshare version 2 and that required 
> reentering one’s login information.
>  
> I have VDR working fine on my SE 2020 with the latest updates.
> I am not sure what to recommend, other than the extreme step of deleting the 
> app and reinstalling it; which I know is a royal pain and may lose some 
> documents.
> Also, writing winston directly at wins...@voicedream.com
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicki 
> W.
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:38 AM
> To: IPhone 
> Subject: 

Test

[Marcos Rodrigues]

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Re: Major problem with latest iOS

[CHELA Robles]

That’s exactly what customer service from Aira suggested, if you still have 
issues with connecting to Aira for example after troubleshooting this, with 
that fix, call or email the Aira customer care.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just tested this and if I go into Voiceover Settings > Voice Recognition > 
> Screen Recognition and deselect the apps for which screen recognition is on, 
> then close all apps in the apps witcher and turn the phone off, then wait 
> maybe 30 seconds and turn it back on all was back to normal.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 7:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Major problem with latest iOS
>  
> I agree.  I tested and retested to try and produce there results the only way 
> you will get these results if like you said it is set on for that app.  It 
> isn‘t hard to fix.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
> Casteen
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 4:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Major problem with latest iOS
>  
> And if you & others turn off screen recognition like I suggest, by going into 
> the app switcher, rather than trying to turn screen recognition off within 
> the app, Aira & other apps will work just fine once again. Refuse to try my 
> suggestion, your loss being stuck with unusable apps.
>  
> Donna
>  
>  
>  Doesn’t matter if the screen curtain is on or off the screen is still black 
> nothing is there doesn’t matter what you do when this happens the app will 
> not work
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
> On Jun 11, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Donna Casteen  wrote:
> 
> 
> If your screen is black, use 3 fingers & tap the screen 3 times, to turn off 
> screen curtain.
>  
> Donna
>  
>  
>  
> I think what everybody is failing to realize is when this problem occurs 
> there is no evidence of screen recognition in the rotor whatsoever because 
> the screen is 1000% completely blank meaning your app is completely useless 
> you can’t do anything with it whatsoever as nothing speaks and when you ask 
> someone to review the screen it is completely black
> 
> If you love wax melts, soap, bath and body items and anything to make you or 
> your house smell wonderful visit my site for soy L Scents 
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> Also join my Facebook group we will play awesome games and I will have 
> several giveaways monthly 
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>  
> 
> On Jun 11, 2021, at 12:16 PM, Matthew Bullis  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> If you're in an app which has screen recognition turned on, twist the rotor 
> to screen recognition and flick down to turn it off. Then twist away so as 
> not to accidentally turn it on again.
> Matthew
>  
> 
> On Jun 11, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> 
> Why can you not turn it off?
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/
>  
>  
>  
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:33 AM Tim Leet  wrote:
> Attention everyone, the latest iOS update has caused major problems. I 
> currently cannot use Microsoft outlook nor can I use Aira. When I try to open 
> these apps the only thing you get is a blank screen. I think one of the 
> reasons for this is because we turned screen recognition on while I was in 
> the app the other day. We did a reset on the phone and did a back up through 
> iTunes, called Apple and they did a screen share and video and send a ticket 
> to the tech-support. They ask that anyone that is having problems with any 
> app not opening to please contact them and let them know about it so they can 
> try to find the problem. My wife is also having difficulty with an app she 
> downloaded yesterday it was working she turned screen recognition on to try 
> to figure out something in the app and it will not load anymore. So the best 
> advice I could give you is do not turn screen recognition on if you do you 
> may not be able to use the app that you turned it on with because you 
> definitely can’t turn it off once this happens. Again anyone having these 
> problems need to let Apple know.
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RE: Major problem with latest iOS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just tested this and if I go into Voiceover Settings > Voice Recognition > 
Screen Recognition and deselect the apps for which screen recognition is on, 
then close all apps in the apps witcher and turn the phone off, then wait maybe 
30 seconds and turn it back on all was back to normal.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Major problem with latest iOS

I agree.  I tested and retested to try and produce there results the only way 
you will get these results if like you said it is set on for that app.  It 
isn‘t hard to fix.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Major problem with latest iOS

And if you & others turn off screen recognition like I suggest, by going into 
the app switcher, rather than trying to turn screen recognition off within the 
app, Aira & other apps will work just fine once again. Refuse to try my 
suggestion, your loss being stuck with unusable apps.

Donna


 Doesn’t matter if the screen curtain is on or off the screen is still black 
nothing is there doesn’t matter what you do when this happens the app will not 
work
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 11, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Donna Casteen 
mailto:mermaid71...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If your screen is black, use 3 fingers & tap the screen 3 times, to turn off 
screen curtain.

Donna



I think what everybody is failing to realize is when this problem occurs there 
is no evidence of screen recognition in the rotor whatsoever because the screen 
is 1000% completely blank meaning your app is completely useless you can’t do 
anything with it whatsoever as nothing speaks and when you ask someone to 
review the screen it is completely black
If you love wax melts, soap, bath and body items and anything to make you or 
your house smell wonderful visit my site for soy L Scents
Http://www.my-soylscents.com/Dandi0821
Also join my Facebook group we will play awesome games and I will have several 
giveaways monthly
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1442152382752404?_rdr

On Jun 11, 2021, at 12:16 PM, Matthew Bullis 
mailto:matthewbulli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If you're in an app which has screen recognition turned on, twist the rotor to 
screen recognition and flick down to turn it off. Then twist away so as not to 
accidentally turn it on again.
Matthew


On Jun 11, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Why can you not turn it off?
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/



On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:33 AM Tim Leet 
mailto:tel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Attention everyone, the latest iOS update has caused major problems. I 
currently cannot use Microsoft outlook nor can I use Aira. When I try to open 
these apps the only thing you get is a blank screen. I think one of the reasons 
for this is because we turned screen recognition on while I was in the app the 
other day. We did a reset on the phone and did a back up through iTunes, called 
Apple and they did a screen share and video and send a ticket to the 
tech-support. They ask that anyone that is having problems with any app not 
opening to please contact them and let them know about it so they can try to 
find the problem. My wife is also having difficulty with an app she downloaded 
yesterday it was working she turned screen recognition on to try to figure out 
something in the app and it will not load anymore. So the best advice I could 
give you is do not turn screen recognition on if you do you may not be able to 
use the app that you turned it on with because you definitely can’t turn it off 
once this happens. Again anyone having these problems need to let Apple know.

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RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Sieghard,

 

I can also confirm your experience. With all the hoopla around the latest Apple 
event and iOS 15 supposed enhancements to screen recognition, etc., I hope they 
test it fully using Voiceover because the sort of app wreckage described in 
this thread for VO users turning on screen recognition is a disaster.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 10:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

 

I just tested this, I have screen recognition turned on in Voiceover Settings, 
but all apps were deselected. I tried this now by selecting Aira and 3 random 
other apps and I can confirm that none of these apps worked after I selected 
them for screen recognition.

They would open and were in the app switcher, but the only part of the screen 
Voiceover would read was the status bar at the top, anywhere else on the screen 
it would just ding.

I then turned/deselected these apps again and still Voiceover would not read 
anything even removing the apps from the app switcher and trying again was the 
same, only after closing all apps and turning my iphone off and back on 
restored the prior behaviour where Aira and the other apps would again work as 
before. I should also mention that with these apps selected for Screen 
Recognition in Settings, the Screen Recognition rotor item was not present, now 
after deselecting thema nd rebooting the iPhone, screen recognition is once 
again available in the rotor and turning it on from inside the app does not 
make the app unusable, it will just make it less useable in some cases as I 
described yesterday using Facebook and the App Store as examples.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dana 
Leet
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

 

Good morning everyone. I thought I would respond to this message in hopes that 
a lot of you will read it. There is definitely a major bug with this latest iOS 
update 14.6 it is happening on my husband and my SE 2020s and it makes sense 
Vickie that it’s happening on your iPad for some reason if you ever turn screen 
recognition on we are finding that some apps are refusing to open. My husband 
is not able to get Outlook or Aira to open on his phone and I downloaded a new 
app last night and it would not open on my phone. We contacted Apple support, 
and they had us do screen sharing that and they are advising anyone who is 
having these problems to contact Apple and have it screen shared so that they 
can figure out what is going on because it is happening where many of us due to 
this latest update are having trouble opening apps. I am certainly hoping that 
my voice stream does not mess up because I have thousands of books in it

If you love wax melts, soap, bath and body items and anything to make you or 
your house smell wonderful visit my site for soy L Scents 

Http://www.my-soylscents.com/Dandi0821

Also join my Facebook group we will play awesome games and I will have several 
giveaways monthly 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1442152382752404?_rdr 

 

On Jun 11, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Vicki W. mailto:vwher...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

I know there are a couple of places where you can delete the app, but which is 
the best place and then do I just look under my purchased apps to reinstall it?

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Richard Turner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:56 AM

Subject: RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

 

When you did get into VDR, did you re-login to Bookshare, assuming you were 
using Bookshare?

His update a little while ago added Bookshare version 2 and that required 
reentering one’s login information.

 

I have VDR working fine on my SE 2020 with the latest updates.

I am not sure what to recommend, other than the extreme step of deleting the 
app and reinstalling it; which I know is a royal pain and may lose some 
documents.

Also, writing winston directly at wins...@voicedream.com 
 

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site:   www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Vicki W.
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:38 AM
To: IPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

 

Hi,

 

I have a problem with Voice Dream Reader on my mini IPad five since the last 
update of IOS and the VDR app. I usually make sure everything is working before 
I update something else, but, of course, I was in a hurry and updated IOS first 
and then 

RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have screen recognition on and while I currently did not have Voice Dream 
Reader on my iPhone 11 I just redownloaded it, loaded an audio book which I had 
in Dropbox and all worked fine.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

I only used screen recognition a short time when it was first available and 
found it so useless, I have not had it on since.
All apps, including VDR, are working great in 14.6 on my SE 2020.
Perhaps turning off screen recognition under VoiceOver settings, VoiceOver 
recognition, rebooting the phone, before installing VDR would be a work around.

But, everyone running into this issue needs to call Apple Accessibility for 
sure.


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dana Leet
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader


Sadly unfortunately if she’s having the same problem we are with the latest 
update of iOS even if she does delete the app and reinstall it it will not 
solve the problem. I hope that she’s not having the same problem but it is 
seeming to be rampant and several of us are recognizing that it is happening on 
our phones. Even if you do the forced restart even if you’ve done an iPhone 
restore, since Apple is only allowing you even to go back if you were race your 
phone and get one iOS iCloud back up if there was a problem in that back up you 
can’t even go back far enough to get an update that will take you back to where 
you once were. Sadly if people are having this problem we just ask that you 
please contact Apple so that they can fix it. Dana
If you love wax melts, soap, bath and body items and anything to make you or 
your house smell wonderful visit my site for soy L Scents
Http://www.my-soylscents.com/Dandi0821
Also join my Facebook group we will play awesome games and I will have several 
giveaways monthly
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1442152382752404?_rdr

On Jun 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

You won't have much of a choice but to uninstall and reinstal l the app, in 
most such situations this should fix the problem.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Vicki 
W.
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 7:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

I never did get into VDR. I just got into the settings for VDR in the IOS 
settings. VDR won't open at all, and I didn't use bookshare. I can send him the 
note if I can't find the answer in a day or two. It's the strangest thing that 
it would only happen on my Mini IPad 5 and not my phone.

Thank you for the address.


- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:56 AM
Subject: RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

When you did get into VDR, did you re-login to Bookshare, assuming you were 
using Bookshare?
His update a little while ago added Bookshare version 2 and that required 
reentering one’s login information.

I have VDR working fine on my SE 2020 with the latest updates.
I am not sure what to recommend, other than the extreme step of deleting the 
app and reinstalling it; which I know is a royal pain and may lose some 
documents.
Also, writing winston directly at 
wins...@voicedream.com



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: 
www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Vicki 
W.
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:38 AM
To: IPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

Hi,

I have a problem with Voice Dream Reader on my mini IPad five since the last 
update of IOS and the VDR app. I usually make sure everything is working before 
I update something else, but, of course, I was in a hurry and updated IOS first 
and then my apps shortly after that without at least checking those apps which 
I use every day. All of my other apps are working fine, but VDR is broken! 
Below is a list of things that are happening.

1. Whenever I try to open VDR, it goes to my home screen. It shows up in the 
app switcher, but I get the same 

Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

[Vicki W.]

This makes sense because I don't have the screen recognition option on my older 
SE and it works fine. My mini IPad is now working as well. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 8:17 AM
  Subject: RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader


  I just tested this, I have screen recognition turned on in Voiceover 
Settings, but all apps were deselected. I tried this now by selecting Aira and 
3 random other apps and I can confirm that none of these apps worked after I 
selected them for screen recognition.

  They would open and were in the app switcher, but the only part of the screen 
Voiceover would read was the status bar at the top, anywhere else on the screen 
it would just ding.

  I then turned/deselected these apps again and still Voiceover would not read 
anything even removing the apps from the app switcher and trying again was the 
same, only after closing all apps and turning my iphone off and back on 
restored the prior behaviour where Aira and the other apps would again work as 
before. I should also mention that with these apps selected for Screen 
Recognition in Settings, the Screen Recognition rotor item was not present, now 
after deselecting thema nd rebooting the iPhone, screen recognition is once 
again available in the rotor and turning it on from inside the app does not 
make the app unusable, it will just make it less useable in some cases as I 
described yesterday using Facebook and the App Store as examples.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dana 
Leet
  Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:23 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

   

  Good morning everyone. I thought I would respond to this message in hopes 
that a lot of you will read it. There is definitely a major bug with this 
latest iOS update 14.6 it is happening on my husband and my SE 2020s and it 
makes sense Vickie that it’s happening on your iPad for some reason if you ever 
turn screen recognition on we are finding that some apps are refusing to open. 
My husband is not able to get Outlook or Aira to open on his phone and I 
downloaded a new app last night and it would not open on my phone. We contacted 
Apple support, and they had us do screen sharing that and they are advising 
anyone who is having these problems to contact Apple and have it screen shared 
so that they can figure out what is going on because it is happening where many 
of us due to this latest update are having trouble opening apps. I am certainly 
hoping that my voice stream does not mess up because I have thousands of books 
in it

  If you love wax melts, soap, bath and body items and anything to make you or 
your house smell wonderful visit my site for soy L Scents 

  Http://www.my-soylscents.com/Dandi0821

  Also join my Facebook group we will play awesome games and I will have 
several giveaways monthly 

  https://m.facebook.com/groups/1442152382752404?_rdr 





On Jun 11, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Vicki W.  wrote:

 

I know there are a couple of places where you can delete the app, but which 
is the best place and then do I just look under my purchased apps to reinstall 
it?

 

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Richard Turner 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:56 AM

  Subject: RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

   

  When you did get into VDR, did you re-login to Bookshare, assuming you 
were using Bookshare?

  His update a little while ago added Bookshare version 2 and that required 
reentering one’s login information.

   

  I have VDR working fine on my SE 2020 with the latest updates.

  I am not sure what to recommend, other than the extreme step of deleting 
the app and reinstalling it; which I know is a royal pain and may lose some 
documents.

  Also, writing winston directly at wins...@voicedream.com

   

   

   

  Richard

  Software means never having to say you're finished

   

  Web site: www.turner42.com

   

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Vicki W.
  Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:38 AM
  To: IPhone 
  Subject: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

   

  Hi,

   

  I have a problem with Voice Dream Reader on my mini IPad five since the 
last update of IOS and the VDR app. I usually make sure everything is working 
before I update something else, but, of course, I was in a hurry and updated 
IOS first and then my apps shortly after that without at least checking those 
apps which I use every day. All of my other apps are working fine, but VDR is 
broken! Below is a list of things that are happening.

   

  1. Whenever I try to open VDR, it goes to my home screen. It shows up in 
the app switcher, but I get the same result when I try to open 

RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just tested this, I have screen recognition turned on in Voiceover Settings, 
but all apps were deselected. I tried this now by selecting Aira and 3 random 
other apps and I can confirm that none of these apps worked after I selected 
them for screen recognition.
They would open and were in the app switcher, but the only part of the screen 
Voiceover would read was the status bar at the top, anywhere else on the screen 
it would just ding.
I then turned/deselected these apps again and still Voiceover would not read 
anything even removing the apps from the app switcher and trying again was the 
same, only after closing all apps and turning my iphone off and back on 
restored the prior behaviour where Aira and the other apps would again work as 
before. I should also mention that with these apps selected for Screen 
Recognition in Settings, the Screen Recognition rotor item was not present, now 
after deselecting thema nd rebooting the iPhone, screen recognition is once 
again available in the rotor and turning it on from inside the app does not 
make the app unusable, it will just make it less useable in some cases as I 
described yesterday using Facebook and the App Store as examples.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dana Leet
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

Good morning everyone. I thought I would respond to this message in hopes that 
a lot of you will read it. There is definitely a major bug with this latest iOS 
update 14.6 it is happening on my husband and my SE 2020s and it makes sense 
Vickie that it’s happening on your iPad for some reason if you ever turn screen 
recognition on we are finding that some apps are refusing to open. My husband 
is not able to get Outlook or Aira to open on his phone and I downloaded a new 
app last night and it would not open on my phone. We contacted Apple support, 
and they had us do screen sharing that and they are advising anyone who is 
having these problems to contact Apple and have it screen shared so that they 
can figure out what is going on because it is happening where many of us due to 
this latest update are having trouble opening apps. I am certainly hoping that 
my voice stream does not mess up because I have thousands of books in it
If you love wax melts, soap, bath and body items and anything to make you or 
your house smell wonderful visit my site for soy L Scents
Http://www.my-soylscents.com/Dandi0821
Also join my Facebook group we will play awesome games and I will have several 
giveaways monthly
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1442152382752404?_rdr


On Jun 11, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Vicki W. 
mailto:vwher...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I know there are a couple of places where you can delete the app, but which is 
the best place and then do I just look under my purchased apps to reinstall it?


- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:56 AM
Subject: RE: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

When you did get into VDR, did you re-login to Bookshare, assuming you were 
using Bookshare?
His update a little while ago added Bookshare version 2 and that required 
reentering one’s login information.

I have VDR working fine on my SE 2020 with the latest updates.
I am not sure what to recommend, other than the extreme step of deleting the 
app and reinstalling it; which I know is a royal pain and may lose some 
documents.
Also, writing winston directly at 
wins...@voicedream.com



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Vicki 
W.
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:38 AM
To: IPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Serious Problem With Voice Dream Reader

Hi,

I have a problem with Voice Dream Reader on my mini IPad five since the last 
update of IOS and the VDR app. I usually make sure everything is working before 
I update something else, but, of course, I was in a hurry and updated IOS first 
and then my apps shortly after that without at least checking those apps which 
I use every day. All of my other apps are working fine, but VDR is broken! 
Below is a list of things that are happening.

1. Whenever I try to open VDR, it goes to my home screen. It shows up in the 
app switcher, but I get the same result when I try to open it from there as 
well. It simply will not allow me access.

2. When VDR appears to be running, my app switcher will not switch from one app 
to another with the four-finger side swipe. It goes directly to my home screen 
instead.

3. If I have several apps running in the app switcher, including VDR, when I 
close one, VDR just vanishes as if it wasn't ever there and at that point my 

RE: Major problem with latest iOS

[Dennis Long]

I agree.  I tested and retested to try and produce there results the only way 
you will get these results if like you said it is set on for that app.  It 
isn‘t hard to fix.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Major problem with latest iOS

 

And if you & others turn off screen recognition like I suggest, by going into 
the app switcher, rather than trying to turn screen recognition off within the 
app, Aira & other apps will work just fine once again. Refuse to try my 
suggestion, your loss being stuck with unusable apps.

 

Donna

 

 

 Doesn’t matter if the screen curtain is on or off the screen is still black 
nothing is there doesn’t matter what you do when this happens the app will not 
work

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 11, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Donna Casteen mailto:mermaid71...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If your screen is black, use 3 fingers & tap the screen 3 times, to turn off 
screen curtain.

 

Donna

 

 

 

I think what everybody is failing to realize is when this problem occurs there 
is no evidence of screen recognition in the rotor whatsoever because the screen 
is 1000% completely blank meaning your app is completely useless you can’t do 
anything with it whatsoever as nothing speaks and when you ask someone to 
review the screen it is completely black

If you love wax melts, soap, bath and body items and anything to make you or 
your house smell wonderful visit my site for soy L Scents 

Http://www.my-soylscents.com/Dandi0821

Also join my Facebook group we will play awesome games and I will have several 
giveaways monthly 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1442152382752404?_rdr 





On Jun 11, 2021, at 12:16 PM, Matthew Bullis mailto:matthewbulli...@gmail.com> > wrote:



If you're in an app which has screen recognition turned on, twist the rotor to 
screen recognition and flick down to turn it off. Then twist away so as not to 
accidentally turn it on again.

Matthew

 


On Jun 11, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Why can you not turn it off?


Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com  

gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/

 

 

 

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:33 AM Tim Leet mailto:tel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Attention everyone, the latest iOS update has caused major problems. I 
currently cannot use Microsoft outlook nor can I use Aira. When I try to open 
these apps the only thing you get is a blank screen. I think one of the reasons 
for this is because we turned screen recognition on while I was in the app the 
other day. We did a reset on the phone and did a back up through iTunes, called 
Apple and they did a screen share and video and send a ticket to the 
tech-support. They ask that anyone that is having problems with any app not 
opening to please contact them and let them know about it so they can try to 
find the problem. My wife is also having difficulty with an app she downloaded 
yesterday it was working she turned screen recognition on to try to figure out 
something in the app and it will not load anymore. So the best advice I could 
give you is do not turn screen recognition on if you do you may not be able to 
use the app that you turned it on with because you definitely can’t turn it off 
once this happens. Again anyone having these problems need to let Apple know.

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Meet the 2021 Apple Design Award Winners

[Richard Turner]

Voice Dream Reader and Be My Eyes are two of the 12 winners in 6 categories.
Voice Dream in the Inclusivity category and Be MY Eyes in the Social Media 
Category.
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2021 Apple Design Award Winners - Apple Design Awards - Apple 
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Meet the 2021
Apple Design Award Winners

The Apple Design Awards honor excellence in innovation, ingenuity, and 
technical achievement in app and game design.

Inclusivity Winners

Winners in this category provide a great experience for all by supporting 
people from a diversity of backgrounds, abilities, and languages.

HoloVista
Aconite

HoloVista supports a wide variety of accessibility features, including options 
for motion control, text sizes, text contrast, sound, and visual effect 
intensity. Purposeful interactions and considerations help achieve gameplay 
that can be experienced and perceived in more than one way.

Available on iPhone and iPad

View on the App Store

Voice Dream Reader
Voice Dream LLC

Voice Dream Reader is a best-in-class text-to-speech app that reads text aloud 
from just about any digital source, whether it's a web page or PDF, in more 
than two dozen languages. Its adaptive features and high level of customizable 
settings allow anyone to choose a voice with the perfect tone, timbre, accent, 
and speed for an optimal reading experience.

Available on iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch

View on the App 
Store

Finalists

1Password

AgileBits 
Inc.


A Monster's 
Expedition

Draknek 
Limited


Alba

ustwo 
games


Me: A Kid's Diary by 
Tinybop

Tinybop Inc.

Delight and Fun Winners

Winners in this category provide memorable, engaging, and satisfying 
experiences that are enhanced by Apple technologies.

Little Orpheus
The Chinese Room

Little Orpheus is an enjoyable platformer that brings easy controls, excellent 
storytelling, and a console-like experience to a casual game. Throughout its 
diverse variety of levels, this game packs a clever surprise at every turn 
while keeping things light with its comical dialogue.

Available on iPhone, iPad, and Apple TV

View on the App Store

Pok Pok Playroom
Pok Pok

Pok Pok Playroom is a playful, and beautifully animated app that captivates 
users with its thoughtful design and mesmerizing interactions. Thanks to its 
subtle haptics and spot-on sound effects, this app provides endless hours of 
fun for kids of all ages, while rewarding creativity and experimentation.

Available on iPhone and iPad

View on the App 
Store

Finalists

Poolsuite FM

Poolsuite


RakugakiAR

Whatever Inc.


Wonderbox

AQUIRIS GAME STUDIO 
LLC


South of the 
Circle

State of Play 
Games

Interaction Winners

Winners in this category deliver intuitive interfaces and effortless controls 
that are perfectly tailored to their platform.

Bird Alone
George Batchelor

Bird Alone's explorative interactions combine gestures, haptics, parallax, and 
dynamic sound effects that imbues richness into its world. The game is brought 
to life through clever notification integration, graphics, and music that 
changes depending on the real-world 

Test

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