RE: Roomba

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Wow, Mike must really have a thing for Robo Vacuums, I wonder if he could have 
a Robo Vac war or something, sounds like he has enough of them to wage a 
serious battle 藍



Years ago I bought a top of the line Neato model for my Mom after she had hip 
replacement surgery and while she did use it for a while, she said it had many 
more issues than it seemed to be worth it. It got stuck quite often and it was 
never able to finish on a single charge even though my parents' house is not 
huge, about 1,300 or 1,400 square feet but with a few maybe tricky corners and 
with both smooth floors and rugs and my Mom said it often got quite confused, 
maybe also because of the very high ceilings in the living room. But at times 
she said it spent 15 minutes going over and over the same small area as if it 
was stuck on some sort of loop. She also said she had to spend a lot of time 
cleaning its brushes and making sure it was clean in general and while I am 
sure there are maybe better models out there now, I have so far no desire to 
try one of these things even though I am a bit of a gadget person. We have 
hardwood floors throughout the upstairs of our house and tile in the kitchen, 
bathroom and down the stairs, downstairs it's cork flooring in the guest room 
and family room and tile in the hallway, but it's just so easy to plug in the 
hose of the central vac and it's powerful and always works without a fuss. To 
each their own I guess.





Best regards,

Sieghard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba



I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and thought 
seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any recommendations as to the 
best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two Roomba's, one for downstairs and 
one for up.  I liked them and miss them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.



Kay Malmquist

kay.malmqu...@gmail.com



Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
strength.

Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker



- Original Message -

From: "Christopher Chaltain" mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>>

To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM

Subject: RE: Roomba





A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo mailto:n0...@charter.net>> 
posted the following review

of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes

ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.



I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of

apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum

collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which

apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others.

I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly

accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with

Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible,

meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you

will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly

unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in

the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to

note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go

zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using

Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be

made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get

sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean

the entire place each time which is what I do.

Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no

particular order.

The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with

Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few

places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does

describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus

totally without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at

times it will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its

last run and this is all completely accessible. If you decide you want to

get a Roomba you will have no trouble at all using the app.

Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of the

best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their cleaning and

navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this app, I actually

have two different Roborock models and the controls read slightly

differently depending on which robot you choose to 

Re: Roomba

[Kay Malmquist]

What siri shortcuts did you have to set up?  Sounds pretty good.  I assume 
you paid a good price through Amazon prime days?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
strength.
Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker

- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: Roomba


We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.

I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except 
for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. 
Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific 
room to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, 
so just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back 
to it's docking station and change the strength of the suction.

We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of 
dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that 
it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next 
time, although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed 
to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top 
of the pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also 
hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba

I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for 
the in-between vacuum jobs they did.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
strength.
Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: Roomba


A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review
of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes
ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.

I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of
apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum
collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which
apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others.
I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly
accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with
Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible,
meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you
will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly
unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in
the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to
note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go
zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using
Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be
made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get
sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean
the entire place each time which is what I do.
Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no
particular order.
The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with
Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few
places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does
describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus
totally without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at
times it will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its
last run and this is all completely accessible. If you decide you want to
get a Roomba you will have no trouble at all using the app.
Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of the
best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their cleaning and
navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this app, I actually
have two different Roborock models and the controls read slightly
differently depending on which robot you choose to control from the home
screen. This makes me wonder if the app is actually downloading this content
from the robot itself. Either way, the app is 

RE: Roomba

[Christopher Chaltain]

We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days.

I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, 
but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by 
myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except for 
identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. Looks 
like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific room to 
clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just 
with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's 
docking station and change the strength of the suction.

We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of dog 
and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that it's 
been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next time, 
although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed to be 
pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top of the pet 
hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help 
my wife with her allergies.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Roomba

I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and thought 
seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any recommendations as to the 
best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two Roomba's, one for downstairs and 
one for up.  I liked them and miss them for the in-between vacuum jobs they did.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
strength.
Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: Roomba


A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review 
of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes 
ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.

I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of 
apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum 
collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which 
apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others. 
I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with 
Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible, 
meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you 
will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly 
unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in 
the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to 
note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go 
zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using 
Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be 
made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get 
sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean 
the entire place each time which is what I do.
Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
particular order.
The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with 
Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few 
places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does 
describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus 
totally without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at 
times it will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its 
last run and this is all completely accessible. If you decide you want to 
get a Roomba you will have no trouble at all using the app.
Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of the 
best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their cleaning and 
navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this app, I actually 
have two different Roborock models and the controls read slightly 
differently depending on which robot you choose to control from the home 
screen. This makes me wonder if the app is actually downloading this content 
from the robot itself. Either way, the app is very easy to use and navigate 
with voiceover. So, depending on which Roborock model you choose to get, 
things may read slightly different. For example, when I open the entry for 
the Roborock S4 Max and come to the settings option, Voiceover says 
"settings." On the other hand, when I choose the Roborock S7 Max V, which is 
Roborock's current top of the line model and one that I 

Re: Roomba

[Kay Malmquist]

I will be interested in what you think.  I also saw Mike's review and 
thought seriously about buying the Roborock.  Do you have any 
recommendations as to the best place to buy one?  Years ago, I had two 
Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up.  I liked them and miss them for 
the in-between vacuum jobs they did.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
strength.
Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker

- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: Roomba


A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review 
of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes 
ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.

I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of 
apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum 
collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which 
apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others. 
I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly 
accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with 
Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible, 
meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you 
will have to memorize the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly 
unuseable, that is, you will need sighted help to do at least some things in 
the app since they are impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to 
note, many robots will map your house and let you define rooms or no go 
zones by drawing on the map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using 
Voiceover with any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be 
made accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get 
sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot clean 
the entire place each time which is what I do.
Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no 
particular order.
The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with 
Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few 
places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does 
describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus 
totally without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at 
times it will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its 
last run and this is all completely accessible. If you decide you want to 
get a Roomba you will have no trouble at all using the app.
Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of the 
best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their cleaning and 
navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this app, I actually 
have two different Roborock models and the controls read slightly 
differently depending on which robot you choose to control from the home 
screen. This makes me wonder if the app is actually downloading this content 
from the robot itself. Either way, the app is very easy to use and navigate 
with voiceover. So, depending on which Roborock model you choose to get, 
things may read slightly different. For example, when I open the entry for 
the Roborock S4 Max and come to the settings option, Voiceover says 
"settings." On the other hand, when I choose the Roborock S7 Max V, which is 
Roborock's current top of the line model and one that I would absolutely 
recommend, the settings option says "possibly games, more." Once you know 
that this opens the settings screen for the robot it works fine. One other 
minor quirk about how the app reads, while in the settings screen, if you 
turn a setting off, Voiceover says "off," but when you enable a feature, 
rather than saying "on," Voiceover says "Open." Changing the cleaning 
settings such as the suction power and mop intensity works fine.
On both the Irobot and Roborock apps, reading the battery level and robot 
status works fine. The Irobot app will indicate if the battery is high, 
medium or low, where as the Roborock app indicates the battery level as a 
percentage.
The next app I will mention is the Eufy Home app. Eufy is a brand made by 
Anker which is known for their power banks and battery chargers. Eufy makes 
a line of robot vacuums called Robovac. Again, this app works well with 
Voiceover. Getting my Robovac X8 connected to my network worked fine and the 
controls for starting and stopping the robot, as well as changing the 
suction power are completely accessible. I prefer to run my robots on 
maximum power, I figure if the robot has the power available, why not use it 
for a better clean? One minor quirk about this app, there is no way that I 
know of to read the battery level, you can tell if the robot is charging or 
fully 

RE: Roomba

[Christopher Chaltain]

A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo  posted the following review of 
several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just a few minutes ago, 
we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our house.

I remember a while back there was some discussion about the accessibility of 
apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now have a small robot vacuum 
collection and have tried each brand's app so I have an idea about which apps 
work the best with Voiceover. Some are definitely better than others. I'm going 
to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly accessible, that 
is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to use with Voiceover's 
recognition abilities, useable but not the most accessible, meaning you can use 
the app but some of the controls are not labeled and you will have to memorize 
the order of where they are on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you 
will need sighted help to do at least some things in the app since they are 
impossible to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map 
your house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the map. 
Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with any of these apps 
and I'm not even sure how that could be made accessible since it involves 
drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help if you want to use those 
features or just let the robot clean the entire place each time which is what I 
do.
Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no particular 
order.
The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well with 
Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there are a few 
places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but it does describe 
those controls well. I had no problems setting up my Roomba J7 Plus totally 
without sighted help. This app is very interactive which I like, at times it 
will display tips and tricks or ask you how the robot did on its last run and 
this is all completely accessible. If you decide you want to get a Roomba you 
will have no trouble at all using the app.
Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one of the 
best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their cleaning and 
navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this app, I actually have 
two different Roborock models and the controls read slightly differently 
depending on which robot you choose to control from the home screen. This makes 
me wonder if the app is actually downloading this content from the robot 
itself. Either way, the app is very easy to use and navigate with voiceover. 
So, depending on which Roborock model you choose to get, things may read 
slightly different. For example, when I open the entry for the Roborock S4 Max 
and come to the settings option, Voiceover says "settings." On the other hand, 
when I choose the Roborock S7 Max V, which is Roborock's current top of the 
line model and one that I would absolutely recommend, the settings option says 
"possibly games, more." Once you know that this opens the settings screen for 
the robot it works fine. One other minor quirk about how the app reads, while 
in the settings screen, if you turn a setting off, Voiceover says "off," but 
when you enable a feature, rather than saying "on," Voiceover says "Open." 
Changing the cleaning settings such as the suction power and mop intensity 
works fine.
On both the Irobot and Roborock apps, reading the battery level and robot 
status works fine. The Irobot app will indicate if the battery is high, medium 
or low, where as the Roborock app indicates the battery level as a percentage.
The next app I will mention is the Eufy Home app. Eufy is a brand made by Anker 
which is known for their power banks and battery chargers. Eufy makes a line of 
robot vacuums called Robovac. Again, this app works well with Voiceover. 
Getting my Robovac X8 connected to my network worked fine and the controls for 
starting and stopping the robot, as well as changing the suction power are 
completely accessible. I prefer to run my robots on maximum power, I figure if 
the robot has the power available, why not use it for a better clean? One minor 
quirk about this app, there is no way that I know of to read the battery level, 
you can tell if the robot is charging or fully charged but that's all.
Now we will move on to the second category. I currently only have one app in 
this category, the app is useable but not as easy to use since many of the 
buttons are unlabeled. The Trifo app fits this category. I have the Trifo Lucy 
pet edition robot and this app is used to control it. This app uses a different 
method to set up the network connection. With most other robots, you enter your 
WI-FI network name and password in to the app and then you connect your phone 
to a temporary network that the robot creates and the app uses this to transfer 
the network information to it. With the 

RE: Roomba

[sarai.bucciarelli]

Yep
iPhone app is accessible and it can be controlled by Google home or Alexa.

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Anne Lynskey
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Roomba

Good afternoon everyone. I am curious. Have any of you experience using a 
Roomba? I recently ordered one from Amazon which has not arrived yet. I am 
wondering if this is a viable option for someone who is totally blind. How 
accessible is the app and how difficult is it to set up the app and use it. I 
know it can be controlled via the a lady. Any feedback appreciated. Thanks and 
everyone have a wonderful day.

Mary Anne
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Re: Roomba

[Peter Logan]

I have had two different models for several years now… The app is very 
accessible, and you should be able to set it up without any issues… It was a 
couple of years ago when I set up my latest one, so that may have changed some 
since then…

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> Good afternoon everyone. I am curious. Have any of you experience using a 
> Roomba? I recently ordered one from Amazon which has not arrived yet. I am 
> wondering if this is a viable option for someone who is totally blind. How 
> accessible is the app and how difficult is it to set up the app and use it. I 
> know it can be controlled via the a lady. Any feedback appreciated. Thanks 
> and everyone have a wonderful day.
> 
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Roomba

[Mary Anne Lynskey]

Good afternoon everyone. I am curious. Have any of you experience using a 
Roomba? I recently ordered one from Amazon which has not arrived yet. I am 
wondering if this is a viable option for someone who is totally blind. How 
accessible is the app and how difficult is it to set up the app and use it. I 
know it can be controlled via the a lady. Any feedback appreciated. Thanks and 
everyone have a wonderful day.

Mary Anne
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RE: App switcher

[chrisjudge1967]

I find that as well. I usually go through my app switcher every couple of days 
and close things out.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: July 13, 2022 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App switcher

 

Apparently there is no definitive answer. Apple says leaving apps does not 
impact performance.

My experience as a former rehab instructor and my personal experience says that 
when the phone is not working correctly, sluggish, apps not opening, etc., 
clearing the app switcher solves the issue every time.

HTH,

 

 

 

 

Richard

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Jul 13, 2022, at 6:02 AM, chaim biberfeld mailto:cbiberf...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Good morning. Does anyone have a definitive answer as to whether leaving apps 
on in background as seen on app switcher, uses internal memory and processing 
or not?

Chaim Biberfeld, LCSW-R
Private Practice
917-902-3349  

 

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RE: screen recognition

[chrisjudge1967]

That is an excellent idea for many things. The voice over options feature was 
one of the best voice over feature apple ever added.

 

Chris Judge

  

 

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Anna Dresner
Sent: July 12, 2022 12:17 PM
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Subject: Re: screen recognition

 

Hi,

 

I suggest putting Screen Recognition in VoiceOver Quick Settings instead of the 
rotor. That way, it's still easy to access but much harder to turn on by 
accident.

 

Best,

Anna

 





On Jul 12, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Star Gazer mailto:pickrellrebe...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Because it sucks. I had to turn it off entirely and remove it 
from the order 

 

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Any ideas why, having added "the screen recognition" to my rotor, it will not 
stay in the off position and pops back on when ever I change apps?

Chaim Biberfeld, LCSW-R
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