Re: Any reasons to not upgrade to iOS 17?

[lenron brown]

My issue with the audio messages is that you use to could tap audio,
then it gives you the option to start the recording. That is no longer
a thing it auto startsrecording. Still wish we had the option to skip
to an audio message when listening back.

On 9/26/23, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> I like my experience so far on iOS 17. The extra vibrations take some
> getting used to, but I found that I liked the extra feedback. My
> double tap speed was affected a little, but I changed the amount of
> time VoiceOver waits for the double tap gesture at the bottom of VO
> settings, and things are working much better. I also like that I can
> choose whether to be notified by sound or vibration, or speech when a
> new notification comes in. Having VoiceOver automatically read back
> the notification in 16, when it was done speaking the selected item,
> worked good. However, I like now that it just plays a sound and has
> the vibration, but doesn't interrupt what I'm doing. Then, if I want
> to see what the notification was, I can check the status bar or go to
> the notification center.
> The one thing I will say that I don't like in 17 is the emoji
> keyboard. In 16, when I switched to the emoji keyboard when writing, I
> was able to view my 30 most recent emojis used. Now, there is text on
> the far left of the emoji keyboard which talks about stickers, and
> then the recent emojis start about halfway along the keyboard. What I
> don't like is there does not appear to be a way to dismiss or close
> the sticker message, and that it moves the existing emojis over. I
> contacted Apple Accessibility a few nights ago to let them know.
> Through a screen share, the agent was able to see my issue. Though he
> acknowledged it, and understood there was no way to close the message,
> he could not give an estimation of when it would be fixed. I suggested
> there could be an option in the Messages Settings to close or show the
> stickers item, like there are now toggles in iMessage to turn on or
> off different iMessage apps. I asked if he would pass my feedback to
> the team which handles that aspect, and he indicated he would. I can
> live with the change, but it does seem odd that there are close or
> dismiss buttons in many other places throughout iOS but not with
> stickers.
> There may be a few things which are annoying, but over all, I have no
> regrets since updating. I think that iOS 17 makes the over all feel
> and experience a lot smoother.
>
> All the best,
> Wayne
>
> On 9/26/23, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> I don't care for the way Siri is behaving. Often when she is reading the
>> message back prior to sending she pauses for no reason in the middle of
>> reading. I thought it had been cleared up with 17.1 but it's still doing
>> it,
>> not every time but enough to be annoying.
>>
>> Chris Judge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Feliciano Godoy
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 5:31 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Any reasons to not upgrade to iOS 17?
>>
>> iOS 17 hasn't broke accessibility for me with the exception of the change
>> with audio messages with the native messages app. If you don't use audio
>> messages on a daily basis, nothing to worry about.
>>
>> The difference with audio messages now is that you need to stop and send
>> the
>> recording rather than it automatically sending like in iOS 16.
>>
>> Feliciano
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Curtis Delzer' via VIPhone 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:19 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Any reasons to not upgrade to iOS 17?
>>
>> You may not like the feel of the double  tap, as it feels different
>> somehow,
>> which I can't explain, but to me it is different than what I was
>> accustomed
>> too in my earlier iPhones from iPhone 4.5 and higher, actually since 2013
>> in
>> October.
>>
>> Curtis Delzer
>> H.S.
>> K6VFO
>>   Rialto, CA
>> cur...@calweb.com
>>
>> On 9/26/2023 1:07 PM, Keith Kramlinger wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I am still on iOS 16.6.1. Are there any reasons to not upgrade to iOS
>>> 17?
>>> Thanks. Keith
>>>
>>
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RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, only the ability to recognize text in the Magnifier is new in iOS 17 and 
requires a phone with a LiDAR sensor, this means either one of the following:
iPhone 12 Pro/Pro Max (the first model to have LiDAR)
iPhone 13 Pro/Pro Max
iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max
iPhone 15/15 Pro Max

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib 
Anwar Rafay
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?

Hey Christopher, this camera feature with out magnifier thing available in 
standard models with out LiDAR or is that something specific to pro searies?

On 9/28/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'd suggest try using the Camera app. Bring up the camera app, touch 
> the top of the screen to put focus in the view finder and then start 
> pointing the phone at things. You can sweep it around and hear things 
> like there's a sign on the wall with text and then it'll read the 
> text. Obviously it'll depend a bit on how quickly you're sweeping the 
> phone around and how steady your hand is, but this seems more responsive to 
> me than the Seeing AI app.
>
> I'm also interested to know how text detection in the magnifier works, 
> and how it's different or better than just using the camera app.
>
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mohib Anwar Rafay
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 1:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?
>
> I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode 
> in pro searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text 
> while on the move. If i am visiting any office, i should be able to 
> take help from my phone for recognising the office doors and the short 
> describtion written on the doors of the offices! or the name and the 
> specialisation of the doctor in a hospital or the name of the lab etc.
> Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry 
> points and relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI 
> doesn't help much in these cases.
>
> On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure 
>> what's different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>>
>> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C 
>> are the features that interest me the most, but they'll still be 
>> there when I get around to upgrading.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>>
>> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text 
>> recognition feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if 
>> it's really all that much better than what you can already get with 
>> Seeing AI.
>> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part 
>> of Be My Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
>> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a 
>> regular
>> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around 
>> with it, I have never used door detection even once in the real world.
>> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next 
>> year, some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second 
>> generation so to speak and may get useful improvements. I have 
>> definitely no intention to upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15 
>> Pro, the action button might be the most tempting new feature, but 
>> it's not worth that much money and even if I don't want to spend the 
>> big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better deal on a 15 pro 
>> once the 16 phones have been released.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>>
>> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
>> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't 
>> quite understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will 
>> give me better text and object recognition?
>> Thoughts?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: AI in Be my Eyes

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You may not yet have it as this feature is now just rolling out to everybody.
But, if you do then check along the bottom in the Be My Eyes app, there should 
be 5 tabs if you already have it or you also may have it, but it may not yet be 
available.
Here is what they say from left to right:

Get Support, Be My AI, Community, Learn, Settings

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: AI in Be my Eyes

I have Be my Eyes on my iPhone 13 and I can’t see anything about AI. How do I 
access AI in the app Be my Eyes?

Margaret
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Re: Why should I upgrade?

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

Hey Christopher, this camera feature with out magnifier thing
available in standard models with out LiDAR or is that something
specific to pro searies?

On 9/28/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I'd suggest try using the Camera app. Bring up the camera app, touch the top
> of the screen to put focus in the view finder and then start pointing the
> phone at things. You can sweep it around and hear things like there's a sign
> on the wall with text and then it'll read the text. Obviously it'll depend a
> bit on how quickly you're sweeping the phone around and how steady your hand
> is, but this seems more responsive to me than the Seeing AI app.
>
> I'm also interested to know how text detection in the magnifier works, and
> how it's different or better than just using the camera app.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib
> Anwar Rafay
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 1:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?
>
> I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode in
> pro searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text while on the
> move. If i am visiting any office, i should be able to take help from my
> phone for recognising the office doors and the short describtion written on
> the doors of the offices! or the name and the specialisation of the doctor
> in a hospital or the name of the lab etc.
> Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry points and
> relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI doesn't help much in
> these cases.
>
> On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure
>> what's different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>>
>> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C
>> are the features that interest me the most, but they'll still be there
>> when I get around to upgrading.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>>
>> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text
>> recognition feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if
>> it's really all that much better than what you can already get with Seeing
>> AI.
>> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part of
>> Be My Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
>> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a
>> regular
>> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around with
>> it, I have never used door detection even once in the real world.
>> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next
>> year, some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second
>> generation so to speak and may get useful improvements. I have
>> definitely no intention to upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15
>> Pro, the action button might be the most tempting new feature, but
>> it's not worth that much money and even if I don't want to spend the
>> big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better deal on a 15 pro once
>> the 16 phones have been released.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>>
>> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
>> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't
>> quite understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will
>> give me better text and object recognition?
>> Thoughts?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: AI in Be my Eyes

[Dennis Long]

X will say be my AI tab.On Sep 28, 2023, at 12:26 AM, margaretebo...@gmail.com wrote:I have Be my Eyes on my iPhone 13 and I can’t see anything about AI. How do I access AI in the app Be my Eyes?  Margaret 



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AI in Be my Eyes

[margaretebooth]

I have Be my Eyes on my iPhone 13 and I can't see anything about AI. How do
I access AI in the app Be my Eyes? 

 

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Resetting VoiceOver back to default iPhone iOS 17.0.2

[Shai]

Hello all,
I accidentally mislabeled something on my iPhone homescreen with
VoiceOver and I'd like to reset it back to the default. How would I go
about this?
I am using iOS 17.0.2.


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RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'd suggest try using the Camera app. Bring up the camera app, touch the top of 
the screen to put focus in the view finder and then start pointing the phone at 
things. You can sweep it around and hear things like there's a sign on the wall 
with text and then it'll read the text. Obviously it'll depend a bit on how 
quickly you're sweeping the phone around and how steady your hand is, but this 
seems more responsive to me than the Seeing AI app.

I'm also interested to know how text detection in the magnifier works, and how 
it's different or better than just using the camera app.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib 
Anwar Rafay
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?

I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode in pro 
searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text while on the move. 
If i am visiting any office, i should be able to take help from my phone for 
recognising the office doors and the short describtion written on the doors of 
the offices! or the name and the specialisation of the doctor in a hospital or 
the name of the lab etc.
Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry points and 
relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI doesn't help much in 
these cases.

On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure
> what's different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>
> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C
> are the features that interest me the most, but they'll still be there
> when I get around to upgrading.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>
> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text
> recognition feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if
> it's really all that much better than what you can already get with Seeing AI.
> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part of
> Be My Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a
> regular
> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around with
> it, I have never used door detection even once in the real world.
> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next
> year, some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second
> generation so to speak and may get useful improvements. I have
> definitely no intention to upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15
> Pro, the action button might be the most tempting new feature, but
> it's not worth that much money and even if I don't want to spend the
> big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better deal on a 15 pro once 
> the 16 phones have been released.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>
> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't
> quite understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will
> give me better text and object recognition?
> Thoughts?
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Looting Apple Stores is Pointless, as these people quickly found out, iMore

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Of course I don't promote stealing of any sort, but it's of course also a bit 
silly to say that people have been stealing from Apple Stores as long as Apple 
Stores have been around. People have also been stealing from all other stores 
as long as the stores have been around and people have been stealing from each 
other as long as people have been around.
Anyways, if thiefs are smart they would simply put the phone in one of these 
boxes or bags which prevent any signals from getting out and what many forget 
is that while a stolen and locked phone may seem to be of little use to 
anybody, often these phones are simply taken apart for their parts which in 
themselves are still valueable.

-Original Message-
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Looting Apple Stores is Pointless, as these people quickly found out, 
iMore

Looting Apple Stores is pointless, as these people quickly found out By iMore 
published about 2 hours ago 
 
People have been stealing things from Apple Stores for as long as Apple Stores 
have been a thing, but something a ton of people seemingly aren't aware of is 
that it's entirely pointless. They can't possibly know, because they keep on 
doing it.

The latest example came after people looted the Apple Walnut Street store in 
Philadelphia, taking iPhone 15 handsets and more as they went. The problem is, 
and as some soon found out, stealing an iPhone and other products from Apple 
does little more than put a warrant on your head.

And the iPhone won't even work anyway.

Don't steal, folks
You've probably already seen the news stories of looters breaking into stores 
yesterday, including an Apple Store. There were even people live-streaming the 
entire thing on TikTok which probably wasn't the greatest of ideas. But all of 
that aside, we saw something else, people finding out that iPhones shut down 
the minute they leave the Apple Store they were just stolen from. And it gets 
worse.

As some on X have already pointed out, iPhones stolen in this manner don't just 
politely ask you to take them back to where they came from, they do, do that as 
well, but they also start to record their surroundings. You'll note the little 
green light in the image below.

The result? Stealing an iPhone probably puts your face on camera.
Notably, the green status light means that they are being filmed 

So there we have it. As if stealing an iPhone wasn't already a bad idea, you 
probably just made it double-easy for the police to identify you.

Oh, and there's more. Each iPhone can be tracked as well, so you might be 
leading police to your door. Stolen iPhones display on-screen messages that 
read "The device has been disabled and is being tracked. Local authorities will 
be alerted."

So, yeah. Don't steal iPhones. Or anything else for that matter.

Original Article at:
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RE: Transferring Wallet Contents?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not sure, but you already have the answer, if you set up your new iPhone and 
transferred from the old phone then it's either there or not. If it is not 
there you have to add it again.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohammad 
Fazil
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 12:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Transferring Wallet Contents?

What about my vaccine record?

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You always have to set up Apple Pay cards and other cards manually, it is not 
part of the transfer.

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Subject: Transferring Wallet Contents?

Hi, Group.
Yesterday I got iPhone15Pro and the data was transferred from iPhone12 to 15Pro 
in the store.
I don’t see the wallet contents in 15Pro, am I supposed to do it myself 
manually? It has my visa, vaccine, Airmiles and grocery cards.
Thanks!
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RE: Transferring Wallet Contents?

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What about my vaccine record?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
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Subject: RE: Transferring Wallet Contents?

You always have to set up Apple Pay cards and other cards manually, it is not 
part of the transfer.

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Subject: Transferring Wallet Contents?

Hi, Group.
Yesterday I got iPhone15Pro and the data was transferred from iPhone12 to 15Pro 
in the store.
I don’t see the wallet contents in 15Pro, am I supposed to do it myself 
manually? It has my visa, vaccine, Airmiles and grocery cards.
Thanks!
Thanks!
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RE: Why should I upgrade?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is my understanding that the text recognition in the Magnifier app/feature 
does this, if not use  the Seeing AI short text channel which definitely would 
do it if it sees any information it can read.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohib 
Anwar Rafay
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why should I upgrade?

I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode in pro 
searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text while on the move. 
If i am visiting any office, i should be able to take help from my phone for 
recognising the office doors and the short describtion written on the doors of 
the offices! or the name and the specialisation of the doctor in a hospital or 
the name of the lab etc.
Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry points and 
relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI doesn't help much in 
these cases.

On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure 
> what's different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>
> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C 
> are the features that interest me the most, but they'll still be there 
> when I get around to upgrading.
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>
> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text 
> recognition feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if 
> it's really all that much better than what you can already get with Seeing AI.
> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part of 
> Be My Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a 
> regular
> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around with 
> it, I have never used door detection even once in the real world.
> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next 
> year, some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second 
> generation so to speak and may get useful improvements. I have 
> definitely no intention to upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15 
> Pro, the action button might be the most tempting new feature, but 
> it's not worth that much money and even if I don't want to spend the 
> big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better deal on a 15 pro once 
> the 16 phones have been released.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>
> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't 
> quite understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will 
> give me better text and object recognition?
> Thoughts?
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Why should I upgrade?

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

I feel the most importent thing which should be done by detection mode
in pro searies  is instant recognition or recognition of the text
while on the move. If i am visiting any office, i should be able to
take help from my phone for recognising the office doors and the short
describtion written on the doors of the offices! or the name and the
specialisation of the doctor in a hospital or the name of the lab etc.
Some time I face difficulty in identifying the gate number, entry
points and relevant section for our use, seeing AI and Envision AI
doesn't help much in these cases.

On 9/27/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> The normal camera app will also do text recognition, so I'm not sure what's
> different in the magnifier and LiDAR.
>
> I'm not upgrading from my iPhone 11. The action button and the USB-C are the
> features that interest me the most, but they'll still be there when I get
> around to upgrading.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Why should I upgrade?
>
> It will give you door detection and there is a new instant text recognition
> feature which is part of Magnifier, but I am not sure if it's really all
> that much better than what you can already get with Seeing AI.
> I don't think Be My Eyes and the new Be My AI feature which is part of Be My
> Eyes relies on LiDAR in any way.
> I bought a 13 Pro last year and decided to go with a Pro and not a regular
> 13 because of this, but I must say that except for playing around with it, I
> have never used door detection even once in the real world.
> My advice is to stick with your 13 Mini and get an iPhone 16 Pro next year,
> some of the new stuff in the 15 Pro will then be in its second generation so
> to speak and may get useful improvements. I have definitely no intention to
> upgrade this year from my 13 Pro to a 15 Pro, the action button might be the
> most tempting new feature, but it's not worth that much money and even if I
> don't want to spend the big bucks next year for a 16 Pro, I can get a better
> deal on a 15 pro once the 16 phones have been released.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 4:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Why should I upgrade?
>
> Hi all. I'm contimplating upgrading to the 15 pro. I have a 13 mini now.
> One of the main reasons I want to upgrade is the lightar. I don't quite
> understand what it's used for, but I'm wondering if this will give me better
> text and object recognition?
> Thoughts?
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Questions regarding notifications on locked screen

[Lisa Belville]

Hi, Terri.


I suspect the issue is with SIRI announcing notifications while the 
screen is locked.



To fix this go to settings, Accessibility,  then to SIRI.


In this menu is a button that says Announce Notifications On Speaker.  
If it says on, double tap it to turn it off.



This will keep SIRI from speaking notifications while your screen is 
locked.  You'll still get your sounds, though.



Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/27/2023 11:05 AM, Terri Stimmel wrote:

Hello everyone,


Since the latest IOS update, I have been having a small issue. I do 
not know how to fix it.



I receive a lot of notifications on my phone, as I am sure many of us do.

However, now when I get a notification, and my screen is locked, 
instead of just getting the notification sound, I get the announcement 
of the notification, as well. Eventually, the phone does lock again.



What can I do to stop this from happening?

I don't expect this to be perfect, as sometimes the phone just gets a 
bit chatty. But this is new, and just a bit annoying. Especially, when 
I am in class. Most of the time my volume is down, and most people 
don't know what my phone is saying anyway. But still, I would like to 
not have this issue, if at all possible.



What do you all think?

Is it possible to fix this?


Thank you,


Terri



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RE: Transferring Wallet Contents?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You always have to set up Apple Pay cards and other cards manually, it is not 
part of the transfer.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohammad 
Fazil
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Transferring Wallet Contents?

Hi, Group.
Yesterday I got iPhone15Pro and the data was transferred from iPhone12 to 15Pro 
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RE: Taking a Screen Shot

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You press volume up and side button at the same time, after a moment Voiceover 
will announce "Screenshot", that button is at the bottom left of the screen, 
but if you double tap anywhere on the screen when you hear "screenshot" it 
should open up. You can of course also go into the Photos app afterwards and 
find it there.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 3:33 AM
To: V I Phone 
Subject: Taking a Screen Shot

Hi, all.


I need a memory refresher.  How do you take a screen shot with the 14 pro 
model?  I thought it was volume up and then an immediate press of the power 
button, but this doesn't seem to work.


TIA


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RE: iOS 16.6.1 health app no longer usable

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry, just noticed you are still on iOS 16, but it still shouldn't be an 
issue, I never had any problems in the health app even befor eupgrading to iOS 
17.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 16.6.1 health app no longer usable

Once again echoing Richard, can you specifically check and answer whether 
screen recognition is on? Turn the rotor until  you hear screen recognition, if 
it says "on" flick up or down with one finger, then make sure  you turn the 
rotor clockwise again to something like characters or words, if you leave it on 
screen recognition it's just too easy to turn it on again. I have an iPhone 13 
Pro and use iOS 17 and all is fine in the Health app.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 8:42 AM
To: Lyne 
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 16.6.1 health app no longer usable

I am still having problems. it seems like the health screen is totally 
scrambled.
Instead of saying summary as the screen title it says "summard" and if I flick 
right to move between items I get to the tabs at the bottom of the page in 
between a couple of the favorite items I have on my summary screen.
Each of the favorite items like steps and active callories used to have the 
value next to it then I could one finger double tap the item and get into a 
view where I could select weekly view and review the values for the week but 
this no longer happens.

This is so frustrating because I have been using this feature to track my steps 
(I am in a competition with my work team mates concerning the number of steps 
walked each day).

On 9/21/23, Lyne  wrote:
> Hello,
> Try IOS16.7, I have no problem
>
> Lyne
>
>> Le 21 sept. 2023 à 20:06, Donald Raikes  a écrit :
>>
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RE: iOS 16.6.1 health app no longer usable

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Once again echoing Richard, can you specifically check and answer whether 
screen recognition is on? Turn the rotor until  you hear screen recognition, if 
it says "on" flick up or down with one finger, then make sure  you turn the 
rotor clockwise again to something like characters or words, if you leave it on 
screen recognition it's just too easy to turn it on again. I have an iPhone 13 
Pro and use iOS 17 and all is fine in the Health app.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
Raikes
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 8:42 AM
To: Lyne 
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 16.6.1 health app no longer usable

I am still having problems. it seems like the health screen is totally 
scrambled.
Instead of saying summary as the screen title it says "summard" and if I flick 
right to move between items I get to the tabs at the bottom of the page in 
between a couple of the favorite items I have on my summary screen.
Each of the favorite items like steps and active callories used to have the 
value next to it then I could one finger double tap the item and get into a 
view where I could select weekly view and review the values for the week but 
this no longer happens.

This is so frustrating because I have been using this feature to track my steps 
(I am in a competition with my work team mates concerning the number of steps 
walked each day).

On 9/21/23, Lyne  wrote:
> Hello,
> Try IOS16.7, I have no problem
>
> Lyne
>
>> Le 21 sept. 2023 à 20:06, Donald Raikes  a écrit :
>>
>


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RE: Completing Phone Number or Email Address?

[Christopher Chaltain]

It sounds like they're hiding part of the number or email address as a security 
precaution. You don't need to complete either of these, since they already have 
your email address and phone number on record. You just need to tap one and the 
code will be sent. This of course all assumes I understand which apps you're 
talking about.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohammad 
Fazil
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Completing Phone Number or Email Address?

Hi, Group.
Some of the apps want to send us a code via email or text message and they show 
partial email and phone number. How should I tell them my choice, just double 
tap the email or the phone or complete one of them?
This morning I was adding my visa to wallet and they wanted sending me a code. 
I could not find the text field to type either the phone number or the email.
When I double-tapped the button showing the partial phone number, it did not 
give me a text field to type or complete the number.
Any help is much appreciated.
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Re: iOS 16.6.1 health app no longer usable

[Richard Turner]

Donald,
Have you confirmed that Screen Recognition is not on?

Also, someone said there is a 16.7 that is working fine for them. I'm on 17 so 
cannot help with that specific issue.


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> On Sep 27, 2023, at 8:42 AM, Donald Raikes  wrote:
> 
> I am still having problems. it seems like the health screen is totally
> scrambled.
> Instead of saying summary as the screen title it says "summard" and if
> I flick right to move between items I get to the tabs at the bottom of
> the page in between a couple of the favorite items I have on my
> summary screen.
> Each of the favorite items like steps and active callories used to
> have the value next to it then I could one finger double tap the item
> and get into a view where I could select weekly view and review the
> values for the week but this no longer happens.
> 
> This is so frustrating because I have been using this feature to track
> my steps (I am in a competition with my work team mates concerning the
> number of steps walked each day).
> 
>> On 9/21/23, Lyne  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Try IOS16.7, I have no problem
>> 
>> Lyne
>> 
 Le 21 sept. 2023 à 20:06, Donald Raikes  a écrit :
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Questions regarding notifications on locked screen

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


Since the latest IOS update, I have been having a small issue. I do not 
know how to fix it.



I receive a lot of notifications on my phone, as I am sure many of us do.

However, now when I get a notification, and my screen is locked, instead 
of just getting the notification sound, I get the announcement of the 
notification, as well. Eventually, the phone does lock again.



What can I do to stop this from happening?

I don't expect this to be perfect, as sometimes the phone just gets a 
bit chatty. But this is new, and just a bit annoying. Especially, when I 
am in class. Most of the time my volume is down, and most people don't 
know what my phone is saying anyway. But still, I would like to not have 
this issue, if at all possible.



What do you all think?

Is it possible to fix this?


Thank you,


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Re: Iphone 15 Pro

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

What made you to buy pro model in stead of going for standard  one?

On 9/27/23, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> I'm sure you will enjoy your new purchase.
>
> On 9/27/23, William Outman  wrote:
>> Well, I finally got my 15 Pro ordered last night when I dropped by a
>> local
>> AT location.
>> I have the accessories in hand, the case, screen protector, and charging
>> block.
>> Bill
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Completing Phone Number or Email Address?

[Mohammad Fazil]

Hi, Group.
Some of the apps want to send us a code via email or text message and they show 
partial email and phone number. How should I tell them my choice, just double 
tap the email or the phone or complete one of them?
This morning I was adding my visa to wallet and they wanted sending me a code. 
I could not find the text field to type either the phone number or the email.
When I double-tapped the button showing the partial phone number, it did not 
give me a text field to type or complete the number.
Any help is much appreciated.
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Re: iOS 16.6.1 health app no longer usable

[Donald Raikes]

I am still having problems. it seems like the health screen is totally
scrambled.
Instead of saying summary as the screen title it says "summard" and if
I flick right to move between items I get to the tabs at the bottom of
the page in between a couple of the favorite items I have on my
summary screen.
Each of the favorite items like steps and active callories used to
have the value next to it then I could one finger double tap the item
and get into a view where I could select weekly view and review the
values for the week but this no longer happens.

This is so frustrating because I have been using this feature to track
my steps (I am in a competition with my work team mates concerning the
number of steps walked each day).

On 9/21/23, Lyne  wrote:
> Hello,
> Try IOS16.7, I have no problem
>
> Lyne
>
>> Le 21 sept. 2023 à 20:06, Donald Raikes  a écrit :
>>
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Re: iMazing Tutorial

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I'd honestly stick with iTunes itself if you want to share files and
get them on to your iPhone.  I do this all the time, and have no
issues.  I've put loads of audio books and audio dramas into voice
dream reader using iTunes.  It is great.

On 9/27/23, Edward Przybylek  wrote:
> Hi Siegard,
>
>
>
> I purchased the software because I followed a discussion on one of the lists
> to which I subscribe saying that the software is very accessible and very
> useful.  So much for listening to others.  Thanks for responding.  Stay
> well.
>
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Ed Przybylek
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 1:11 AM
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>
>
>
> Unfortunately I don't think it is very accessible and you may have wasted
> your money on that one.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Edward Przybylek
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 5:42 PM
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> Subject: iMazing Tutorial
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I purchased a license for iMazing and, on using it for the first time, I
> found the user interface very confusing.  Does anyone know of a tutorial for
> using the program?  Thank you and stay well.
>
>
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[Mohammad Fazil]

Hi, Group.
Yesterday I got iPhone15Pro and the data was transferred from iPhone12 to 15Pro 
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I don't see the wallet contents in 15Pro, am I supposed to do it myself 
manually? It has my visa, vaccine, Airmiles and grocery cards.
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RE: iMazing Tutorial

[Edward Przybylek]

Hi Siegard,

 

I purchased the software because I followed a discussion on one of the lists to 
which I subscribe saying that the software is very accessible and very useful.  
So much for listening to others.  Thanks for responding.  Stay well.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 1:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iMazing Tutorial

 

Unfortunately I don't think it is very accessible and you may have wasted  your 
money on that one.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Edward Przybylek
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 5:42 PM
To: 'ViPhoneList' mailto:viphone@googleGroups.com> >
Subject: iMazing Tutorial

 

Hi all,

 

I purchased a license for iMazing and, on using it for the first time, I found 
the user interface very confusing.  Does anyone know of a tutorial for using 
the program?  Thank you and stay well.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 

 

 

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Re: Taking a Screen Shot

[Lisa Belville]

Thanks, Richard.  I want to use Be My AI to verify I have the right 
picture selected as my wall paper.



Lisa


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On 9/27/2023 10:11 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

You can ask Siri to take a screen shot by using hey Siri, or just Siri on iOS 
17. If you want to do it manually, with a home button you quickly press and 
release the home and power buttons together.
If no home button, press and release the side switch and up volume buttons 
together. Make sure the screen curtain is off or you will have a black picture.
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On Sep 27, 2023, at 5:26 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Hi Lisa I would like toknow the answer to this question as well. Can't you 
just ask seri though to take a screen shot? I would like to know the answer 
though since the 14 pro is the phone that I am looking to get when I can finly 
upgrade. From Mich.

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Hi, all.


I need a memory refresher.  How do you take a screen shot with the 14 pro 
model?  I thought it was volume up and then an immediate press of the power 
button, but this doesn't seem to work.


TIA


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Re: Taking a Screen Shot

[Richard Turner]

You can ask Siri to take a screen shot by using hey Siri, or just Siri on iOS 
17. If you want to do it manually, with a home button you quickly press and 
release the home and power buttons together. 
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together. Make sure the screen curtain is off or you will have a black picture. 
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> On Sep 27, 2023, at 5:26 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi Lisa I would like toknow the answer to this question as well. Can't you 
> just ask seri though to take a screen shot? I would like to know the answer 
> though since the 14 pro is the phone that I am looking to get when I can 
> finly upgrade. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
> Belville
> Sent: September 27, 2023 6:33 AM
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> Hi, all.
> 
> 
> I need a memory refresher.  How do you take a screen shot with the 14 pro 
> model?  I thought it was volume up and then an immediate press of the power 
> button, but this doesn't seem to work.
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> TIA
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Re: Any reasons to not upgrade to iOS 17?

[Gerardo Corripio]

The issue too, is that not everybody has this issue; I'm lucky to be counted 
among these! Apart from when hocusing the status bar kind of in the middle, in 
order to 3-finger up or down for notification or Control Center, iOS17 is 
working great on an iPad 9th Generation, and on this iPhone SE 2nd Generation!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 26 sep 2023, a la(s) 11:01 p.m., Sieghard Weitzel  
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> The double tap not responding sometimes is a known issue, but everybody who 
> I saffected by it should write to Apple accessibility because the  more 
> people complain about it, the faster they'll fix it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curtis Delzer' via VIPhone 
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> You may not like the feel of the double  tap, as it feels different somehow, 
> which I can't explain, but to me it is different than what I was accustomed 
> too in my earlier iPhones from iPhone 4.5 and higher, actually since 2013 in 
> October.
> 
> Curtis Delzer
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>> On 9/26/2023 1:07 PM, Keith Kramlinger wrote:
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>> I am still on iOS 16.6.1. Are there any reasons to not upgrade to iOS 17?
>> Thanks. Keith
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Re: Iphone 15 Pro

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I'm sure you will enjoy your new purchase.

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Iphone 15 Pro

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Well, I finally got my 15 Pro ordered last night when I dropped by a local AT 
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I have the accessories in hand, the case, screen protector, and charging block. 
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RE: Taking a Screen Shot

[michv]

Hi Lisa I would like toknow the answer to this question as well. Can't you just 
ask seri though to take a screen shot? I would like to know the answer though 
since the 14 pro is the phone that I am looking to get when I can finly 
upgrade. From Mich.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: September 27, 2023 6:33 AM
To: V I Phone 
Subject: Taking a Screen Shot

Hi, all.


I need a memory refresher.  How do you take a screen shot with the 14 pro 
model?  I thought it was volume up and then an immediate press of the power 
button, but this doesn't seem to work.


TIA


Lisa


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