RE: Masks & Face ID

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Countries like the United States, Canada, most European countries and many 
others in the world who are very interconnected and which are not islands would 
never have been able to do what Nz or Australia did. Singapore and Taiwan are 
other examples of countries where COVID-19 has been handled very well, but 
again both are islands and it is much easier to close them off. In Europe all 
the borders between EU member states have been gotten rid of a long time ago, 
it is like driving from one State to another in the US or from one province to 
another in Canada, you just drive from Germany into France or italy or from 
France into Spain, no border controls or anything like that. The movement of 
people was restricted, but just as with the US and Canada where the border has 
essentially been closed for a year now, it is not possible to close it 
entirely. There are people who live near borders who work across the border, 
there are integrated supply chains where goods move back and forth from one 
country to another and back daily and you can't shut these things down. Then 
there is the willingness and compliance of the population, in some countries 
people maybe more willing to obey rules set out by the government than in 
others.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 1:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

I completely agree that New Zealand should be held up as a model of a nation 
that dealt with the pandemic aggressively and therefore avoided a lot of the 
disruptions to the health system causing unnecessary loss of life and also 
allowed their economy to recover more quickly. The mocking way you phrase this, 
by asking questions like “Why do you need to wear face masks?”, especially the 
first time you asked this where you didn’t make the connection with New 
Zealand, comes across as ridiculing efforts in the US and other places where 
wearing masks is a key part of being able to open the economy up safely. It’s 
similar to how those who fight against mask wearing policies call the rest of 
us “sheople” for taking our CDC guidelines seriously and who think a tiny 
inconvenience, like wearing a mask, is well worth saving lives and safely 
reopening our economy. The fact that you also keep asking this same question, 
even after people explain to you why we wear masks in the US, and you obviously 
know that it’s a political issue over here, makes one wonder why you keep 
bringing it up the way you do. Curiosity is a good reason to ask a question, 
and using a question to point out what New Zealand did right, is also OK, but 
asking a question just to be inflammatory and stir up traffic on a mailing list 
is something that should be handled by the list moderator.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,

We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact that 
we have little if not any current cases of covid,

It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
virus,

It’s like the saying,
Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,


May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they didn’t do 
more to keep you safe from this virus,

Plus we only have 5 million population,
And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,

It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,

But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the virus 
out.

May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
countrys
Have treated this globle situation,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Marco 
Curralejo
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 1:06 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you get a 
ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, the list owner should 
really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an idiotic post to even 
get on to the list.

That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.

Marco

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@g

Re: Apologies [was "RE: Masks & Face ID"]

[Wendy Lin]

What? Lol!

> On Mar 15, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Byte me,
>  
> And no I’m going to have you beaten with a beating stick.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2021 3:40 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apologies [was "RE: Masks & Face ID"]
>  
> My apologies to Simon and the list. I thought this was just going to Marco. I 
> should have checked more carefully before hitting the send button. I’ll 
> accept whatever punishment Mark things is appropriate, and I hope Simon 
> accepts my apology.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 9:38 AM
> To: Marco Curralejo  <mailto:marco.c...@gmail.com>>;viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>  
> I agree! I actually don’t think Simon is trying to spread harmful 
> information. Based on his other posts, I think he’s just kind of arrogant and 
> doesn’t think much about what he posts.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: Marco Curralejo mailto:marco.c...@gmail.com>> 
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 6:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; Christopher 
> Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>>
> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>  
> Couldn't agree more karma which is why I stated that these sorts of messages 
> are ridiculous in the context given. Also completely agree that countries 
> like Australia and New Zealand should be applauded for their efforts. 
> Unfortunately, this person from New Zealand should not be applauded for his 
> effort.
>  
> On 15 March 2021 19:38:32 Christopher Chaltain  <mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> I completely agree that New Zealand should be held up as a model of a nation 
> that dealt with the pandemic aggressively and therefore avoided a lot of the 
> disruptions to the health system causing unnecessary loss of life and also 
> allowed their economy to recover more quickly. The mocking way you phrase 
> this, by asking questions like “Why do you need to wear face masks?”, 
> especially the first time you asked this where you didn’t make the connection 
> with New Zealand, comes across as ridiculing efforts in the US and other 
> places where wearing masks is a key part of being able to open the economy up 
> safely. It’s similar to how those who fight against mask wearing policies 
> call the rest of us “sheople” for taking our CDC guidelines seriously and who 
> think a tiny inconvenience, like wearing a mask, is well worth saving lives 
> and safely reopening our economy. The fact that you also keep asking this 
> same question, even after people explain to you why we wear masks in the US, 
> and you obviously know that it’s a political issue over here, makes one 
> wonder why you keep bringing it up the way you do. Curiosity is a good reason 
> to ask a question, and using a question to point out what New Zealand did 
> right, is also OK, but asking a question just to be inflammatory and stir up 
> traffic on a mailing list is something that should be handled by the list 
> moderator.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>  
> It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,
>  
> We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact 
> that we have little if not any current cases of covid,
>  
> It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
> virus,
>  
> It’s like the saying,
> Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,
>  
>  
> May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they didn’t 
> do more to keep you safe from this virus,
>  
> Plus we only have 5 million population,
> And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,
>  
> It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,
>  
> But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the 
> virus out.
>  
> May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
> countrys
> Have treated this globle situation,
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>

RE: Apologies [was "RE: Masks & Face ID"]

[Simon A Fogarty]

Byte me,

And no I’m going to have you beaten with a beating stick.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2021 3:40 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apologies [was "RE: Masks & Face ID"]

My apologies to Simon and the list. I thought this was just going to Marco. I 
should have checked more carefully before hitting the send button. I’ll accept 
whatever punishment Mark things is appropriate, and I hope Simon accepts my 
apology.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 9:38 AM
To: Marco Curralejo mailto:marco.c...@gmail.com>>; 
viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

I agree! I actually don’t think Simon is trying to spread harmful information. 
Based on his other posts, I think he’s just kind of arrogant and doesn’t think 
much about what he posts.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: Marco Curralejo mailto:marco.c...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 6:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; Christopher 
Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

Couldn't agree more karma which is why I stated that these sorts of messages 
are ridiculous in the context given. Also completely agree that countries like 
Australia and New Zealand should be applauded for their efforts. Unfortunately, 
this person from New Zealand should not be applauded for his effort.


On 15 March 2021 19:38:32 Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I completely agree that New Zealand should be held up as a model of a nation 
that dealt with the pandemic aggressively and therefore avoided a lot of the 
disruptions to the health system causing unnecessary loss of life and also 
allowed their economy to recover more quickly. The mocking way you phrase this, 
by asking questions like “Why do you need to wear face masks?”, especially the 
first time you asked this where you didn’t make the connection with New 
Zealand, comes across as ridiculing efforts in the US and other places where 
wearing masks is a key part of being able to open the economy up safely. It’s 
similar to how those who fight against mask wearing policies call the rest of 
us “sheople” for taking our CDC guidelines seriously and who think a tiny 
inconvenience, like wearing a mask, is well worth saving lives and safely 
reopening our economy. The fact that you also keep asking this same question, 
even after people explain to you why we wear masks in the US, and you obviously 
know that it’s a political issue over here, makes one wonder why you keep 
bringing it up the way you do. Curiosity is a good reason to ask a question, 
and using a question to point out what New Zealand did right, is also OK, but 
asking a question just to be inflammatory and stir up traffic on a mailing list 
is something that should be handled by the list moderator.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,

We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact that 
we have little if not any current cases of covid,

It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
virus,

It’s like the saying,
Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,


May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they didn’t do 
more to keep you safe from this virus,

Plus we only have 5 million population,
And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,

It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,

But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the virus 
out.

May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
countrys
Have treated this globle situation,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Marco 
Curralejo
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 1:06 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you get a 
ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, the list owner should 
really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an idiotic post to even 
get on to the list.

That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.

Marco

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that 

Apologies [was "RE: Masks & Face ID"]

[Christopher Chaltain]

My apologies to Simon and the list. I thought this was just going to Marco. I 
should have checked more carefully before hitting the send button. I’ll accept 
whatever punishment Mark things is appropriate, and I hope Simon accepts my 
apology.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 9:38 AM
To: Marco Curralejo ; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

I agree! I actually don’t think Simon is trying to spread harmful information. 
Based on his other posts, I think he’s just kind of arrogant and doesn’t think 
much about what he posts.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: Marco Curralejo mailto:marco.c...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 6:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; Christopher 
Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

Couldn't agree more karma which is why I stated that these sorts of messages 
are ridiculous in the context given. Also completely agree that countries like 
Australia and New Zealand should be applauded for their efforts. Unfortunately, 
this person from New Zealand should not be applauded for his effort.


On 15 March 2021 19:38:32 Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I completely agree that New Zealand should be held up as a model of a nation 
that dealt with the pandemic aggressively and therefore avoided a lot of the 
disruptions to the health system causing unnecessary loss of life and also 
allowed their economy to recover more quickly. The mocking way you phrase this, 
by asking questions like “Why do you need to wear face masks?”, especially the 
first time you asked this where you didn’t make the connection with New 
Zealand, comes across as ridiculing efforts in the US and other places where 
wearing masks is a key part of being able to open the economy up safely. It’s 
similar to how those who fight against mask wearing policies call the rest of 
us “sheople” for taking our CDC guidelines seriously and who think a tiny 
inconvenience, like wearing a mask, is well worth saving lives and safely 
reopening our economy. The fact that you also keep asking this same question, 
even after people explain to you why we wear masks in the US, and you obviously 
know that it’s a political issue over here, makes one wonder why you keep 
bringing it up the way you do. Curiosity is a good reason to ask a question, 
and using a question to point out what New Zealand did right, is also OK, but 
asking a question just to be inflammatory and stir up traffic on a mailing list 
is something that should be handled by the list moderator.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,

We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact that 
we have little if not any current cases of covid,

It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
virus,

It’s like the saying,
Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,


May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they didn’t do 
more to keep you safe from this virus,

Plus we only have 5 million population,
And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,

It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,

But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the virus 
out.

May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
countrys
Have treated this globle situation,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Marco 
Curralejo
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 1:06 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you get a 
ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, the list owner should 
really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an idiotic post to even 
get on to the list.

That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.

Marco

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From: viphone@google

RE: Masks & Face ID

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree! I actually don’t think Simon is trying to spread harmful information. 
Based on his other posts, I think he’s just kind of arrogant and doesn’t think 
much about what he posts.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: Marco Curralejo 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 6:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Christopher Chaltain 
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

Couldn't agree more karma which is why I stated that these sorts of messages 
are ridiculous in the context given. Also completely agree that countries like 
Australia and New Zealand should be applauded for their efforts. Unfortunately, 
this person from New Zealand should not be applauded for his effort.


On 15 March 2021 19:38:32 Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I completely agree that New Zealand should be held up as a model of a nation 
that dealt with the pandemic aggressively and therefore avoided a lot of the 
disruptions to the health system causing unnecessary loss of life and also 
allowed their economy to recover more quickly. The mocking way you phrase this, 
by asking questions like “Why do you need to wear face masks?”, especially the 
first time you asked this where you didn’t make the connection with New 
Zealand, comes across as ridiculing efforts in the US and other places where 
wearing masks is a key part of being able to open the economy up safely. It’s 
similar to how those who fight against mask wearing policies call the rest of 
us “sheople” for taking our CDC guidelines seriously and who think a tiny 
inconvenience, like wearing a mask, is well worth saving lives and safely 
reopening our economy. The fact that you also keep asking this same question, 
even after people explain to you why we wear masks in the US, and you obviously 
know that it’s a political issue over here, makes one wonder why you keep 
bringing it up the way you do. Curiosity is a good reason to ask a question, 
and using a question to point out what New Zealand did right, is also OK, but 
asking a question just to be inflammatory and stir up traffic on a mailing list 
is something that should be handled by the list moderator.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,

We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact that 
we have little if not any current cases of covid,

It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
virus,

It’s like the saying,
Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,


May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they didn’t do 
more to keep you safe from this virus,

Plus we only have 5 million population,
And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,

It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,

But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the virus 
out.

May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
countrys
Have treated this globle situation,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Marco 
Curralejo
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 1:06 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you get a 
ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, the list owner should 
really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an idiotic post to even 
get on to the list.

That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.

Marco

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Nimer 
Jaber
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:35 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

Posts like the below by Simon are dangerous, and should not be permitted on 
list. That's all I have to say on this topic.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:33 PM Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with f

RE: Masks & Face ID

[sherrywells1157]

I think everyone can agree that New Zealand has done an outstanding job re the 
virus.  I think the reaction to your original email, Simon, was that you said 
who needs to wear a mask.  I took that as sarcasm.  I think others thought you 
were serious.  So when people said you were ridiculous, they were reacting to 
that, not disagreeing re New Zealand.

 

I’m not sure why you felt it necessary to diverge from the topic at hand & wish 
you hadn’t started this.

 

Sherry Wells

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 11:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

 

It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,

 

We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact that 
we have little if not any current cases of covid,

 

It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
virus,

 

It’s like the saying,

Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,

 

 

May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they didn’t do 
more to keep you safe from this virus,

 

Plus we only have 5 million population,

And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,

 

It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,

 

But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the virus 
out.

 

May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
countrys 

Have treated this globle situation,

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Marco Curralejo
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 1:06 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

 

I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you get a 
ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, the list owner should 
really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an idiotic post to even 
get on to the list.

 

That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.

 

Marco

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:35 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

 

Posts like the below by Simon are dangerous, and should not be permitted on 
list. That's all I have to say on this topic.

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:33 PM Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with face masks,

 Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New Zealand!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so the 
necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes mailto:sassyblindg...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
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>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin > <mailto:wendy9...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 
>> 9to5 Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock 
>> your phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id 
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>

RE: Masks & Face ID

[Marco Curralejo]

Couldn't agree more karma which is why I stated that these sorts of 
messages are ridiculous in the context given. Also completely agree that 
countries like Australia and New Zealand should be applauded for their 
efforts. Unfortunately, this person from New Zealand should not be 
applauded for his effort.


On 15 March 2021 19:38:32 Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
I completely agree that New Zealand should be held up as a model of a 
nation that dealt with the pandemic aggressively and therefore avoided a 
lot of the disruptions to the health system causing unnecessary loss of 
life and also allowed their economy to recover more quickly. The mocking 
way you phrase this, by asking questions like “Why do you need to wear face 
masks?”, especially the first time you asked this where you didn’t make the 
connection with New Zealand, comes across as ridiculing efforts in the US 
and other places where wearing masks is a key part of being able to open 
the economy up safely. It’s similar to how those who fight against mask 
wearing policies call the rest of us “sheople” for taking our CDC 
guidelines seriously and who think a tiny inconvenience, like wearing a 
mask, is well worth saving lives and safely reopening our economy. The fact 
that you also keep asking this same question, even after people explain to 
you why we wear masks in the US, and you obviously know that it’s a 
political issue over here, makes one wonder why you keep bringing it up the 
way you do. Curiosity is a good reason to ask a question, and using a 
question to point out what New Zealand did right, is also OK, but asking a 
question just to be inflammatory and stir up traffic on a mailing list is 
something that should be handled by the list moderator.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,

We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact 
that we have little if not any current cases of covid,


It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
virus,


It’s like the saying,
Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,


May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they 
didn’t do more to keep you safe from this virus,


Plus we only have 5 million population,
And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,

It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,

But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the 
virus out.


May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
countrys


Have treated this globle situation,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Marco Curralejo
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 1:06 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you 
get a ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, the list owner 
should really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an idiotic 
post to even get on to the list.


That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.

Marco

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:35 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

Posts like the below by Simon are dangerous, and should not be permitted on 
list. That's all I have to say on this topic.


On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:33 PM Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with face masks,


Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New Zealand!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce

Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so 
the necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.


Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:

yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.

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On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:

 Hi All,

Well base

RE: Masks & Face ID

[Christopher Chaltain]

I completely agree that New Zealand should be held up as a model of a nation 
that dealt with the pandemic aggressively and therefore avoided a lot of the 
disruptions to the health system causing unnecessary loss of life and also 
allowed their economy to recover more quickly. The mocking way you phrase this, 
by asking questions like “Why do you need to wear face masks?”, especially the 
first time you asked this where you didn’t make the connection with New 
Zealand, comes across as ridiculing efforts in the US and other places where 
wearing masks is a key part of being able to open the economy up safely. It’s 
similar to how those who fight against mask wearing policies call the rest of 
us “sheople” for taking our CDC guidelines seriously and who think a tiny 
inconvenience, like wearing a mask, is well worth saving lives and safely 
reopening our economy. The fact that you also keep asking this same question, 
even after people explain to you why we wear masks in the US, and you obviously 
know that it’s a political issue over here, makes one wonder why you keep 
bringing it up the way you do. Curiosity is a good reason to ask a question, 
and using a question to point out what New Zealand did right, is also OK, but 
asking a question just to be inflammatory and stir up traffic on a mailing list 
is something that should be handled by the list moderator.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,

We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact that 
we have little if not any current cases of covid,

It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
virus,

It’s like the saying,
Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,


May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they didn’t do 
more to keep you safe from this virus,

Plus we only have 5 million population,
And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,

It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,

But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the virus 
out.

May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
countrys
Have treated this globle situation,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Marco 
Curralejo
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 1:06 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you get a 
ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, the list owner should 
really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an idiotic post to even 
get on to the list.

That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.

Marco

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Nimer 
Jaber
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:35 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

Posts like the below by Simon are dangerous, and should not be permitted on 
list. That's all I have to say on this topic.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:33 PM Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with face masks,

 Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New Zealand!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so the 
necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes 
mailto:sassyblindg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom
> list by sending an email to 
> blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org<mailto:blind-chatroo

RE: Masks & Face ID

[Cristobal Muñoz]

“It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,”

Exactly the point. An outlier is just that.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 8:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

 

It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,

 

We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact that 
we have little if not any current cases of covid,

 

It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
virus,

 

It’s like the saying,

Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,

 

 

May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they didn’t do 
more to keep you safe from this virus,

 

Plus we only have 5 million population,

And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,

 

It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,

 

But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the virus 
out.

 

May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
countrys 

Have treated this globle situation,

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Marco Curralejo
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 1:06 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

 

I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you get a 
ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, the list owner should 
really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an idiotic post to even 
get on to the list.

 

That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.

 

Marco

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:35 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

 

Posts like the below by Simon are dangerous, and should not be permitted on 
list. That's all I have to say on this topic.

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:33 PM Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with face masks,

 Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New Zealand!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so the 
necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes mailto:sassyblindg...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom 
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> subscribe in the subject
>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin > <mailto:wendy9...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 
>> 9to5 Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock 
>> your phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id 
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>

RE: Masks & Face ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

It’s not rediculis, it’s fact,

We handled things better than a lot of countrys and we celebrate the fact that 
we have little if not any current cases of covid,

It’s not our fault that some countrys leadership ignored the issues of this 
virus,

It’s like the saying,
Kbolting the gate after the horse has bolted,


May be you should point at your countries leadership and ask why they didn’t do 
more to keep you safe from this virus,

Plus we only have 5 million population,
And incoming international traffic through 2 major centres,

It’s easier to lock our country down than it is others,

But it’s  also a benefit that our entire countries behind the keeping the virus 
out.

May be other countrys should take a look at how we and a couple of other 
countrys
Have treated this globle situation,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marco 
Curralejo
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 1:06 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you get a 
ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, the list owner should 
really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an idiotic post to even 
get on to the list.

That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.

Marco

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Nimer 
Jaber
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:35 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

Posts like the below by Simon are dangerous, and should not be permitted on 
list. That's all I have to say on this topic.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:33 PM Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with face masks,

 Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New Zealand!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so the 
necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes 
mailto:sassyblindg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom
> list by sending an email to 
> blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org<mailto:blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org>
>  with
> subscribe in the subject
>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin 
>> mailto:wendy9...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and
>> 9to5 Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock
>> your phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5
>>> will allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work,
>>> but those who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
>>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

RE: Masks & Face ID

[Marco Curralejo]

I’m sorry and I appreciate this topic is somewhat divisive, but when you get a 
ridiculous post from anywhere regarding this matter, the list owner should 
really pull the reigns on this one and not allow such an idiotic post to even 
get on to the list.

 

That’s all I have to say with regards to this stupidity.

 

Marco

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Nimer 
Jaber
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:35 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

 

Posts like the below by Simon are dangerous, and should not be permitted on 
list. That's all I have to say on this topic.

 

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:33 PM Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with face masks,

 Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New Zealand!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so the 
necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes mailto:sassyblindg...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom 
> list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org 
> <mailto:blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org>  with 
> subscribe in the subject
>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin > <mailto:wendy9...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 
>> 9to5 Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock 
>> your phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id 
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 
>>> will allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, 
>>> but those who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
>>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com <mailto:sherrywells1...@gmail.com> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you 
>>> can set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set 
>>> it up with more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & 
>>> unmasked faces for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this 
>>> isn’t possible or one of you would have done it.  I’m just curious 
>>> though since it would make sense to allow more than one face just as 
>>> it does to allow more than one finger.
>

RE: Masks & Face ID

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Simon, why do you insist that because your little Island managed to deal with 
COVID-19 in a much better way than other much larger countries who also don't 
happen to be islands that people don't have to wear face masks.
That would be like me saying "Why do you complain always about the high prices 
for things like iPhones and Sonos", just because they are expensive in NZ 
doesn't mean they are equally expensive elsewhere and the same holds true for 
COVID-19.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 9:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with face masks,

 Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New Zealand!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so the 
necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom 
> list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with 
> subscribe in the subject
>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and
>> 9to5 Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock 
>> your phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id 
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 
>>> will allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, 
>>> but those who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
>>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' 
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you 
>>> can set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set 
>>> it up with more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & 
>>> unmasked faces for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this 
>>> isn’t possible or one of you would have done it.  I’m just curious 
>>> though since it would make sense to allow more than one face just as 
>>> it does to allow more than one finger.
>>>
>>> Sherry Wells
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RE: Masks & Face ID

[Carolyn]

I agree with you, Nimer. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:35 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

Posts like the below by Simon are dangerous, and should not be permitted on 
list. That's all I have to say on this topic.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:33 PM Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:


Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year 
that we've dealt with face masks,

 Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New 
Zealand!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
    Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April 
so the necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes mailto:sassyblindg...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom 
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<mailto:blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org>  with 
> subscribe in the subject
>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin mailto:wendy9...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 
>> 9to5 Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to 
unlock 
>> your phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id 
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 
>>> will allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, 
>>> but those who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is 
released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
>>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com <mailto:sherrywells1...@gmail.com> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you 
>>> can set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set 
>>> it up with more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & 
>>> unmasked faces for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this 
>>> isn’t possible or one of you would have done it.  I’m just curious 
>>> though since it would make sense to allow more than one face just 
as 
>>> it does to allow more than one finger.
>>>
>>&

Re: Masks & Face ID

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

BTW:  a medic insurance plan could take a dim view of paying if 
claimant/patient didn't use basic  protections and precautions.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID


A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by
April so the necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom list by
> sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in
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>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 9to5
>> Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock your
>> phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will
>>> allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those
>>> who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
>>> sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' 
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you can
>>> set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set it up with
>>> more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & unmasked faces
>>> for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this isn’t possible or one
>>> of you would have done it.  I’m just curious though since it would make
>>> sense to allow more than one face just as it does to allow more than one
>>> finger.
>>>
>>> Sherry Wells
>>> --
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Re: Masks & Face ID

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

This is OT, but mostly gone isn't gone enough and protection needed until you 
are fully vaccinated.

The legal requirement is to protect others from you as much as you from others.

R.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Pierce" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID


A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by
April so the necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
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> sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in
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>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 9to5
>> Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock your
>> phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will
>>> allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those
>>> who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
>>> sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' 
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you can
>>> set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set it up with
>>> more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & unmasked faces
>>> for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this isn’t possible or one
>>> of you would have done it.  I’m just curious though since it would make
>>> sense to allow more than one face just as it does to allow more than one
>>> finger.
>>>
>>> Sherry Wells
>>> --
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Re: Masks & Face ID

[Maria Reyes]

We have to wear face masks because America sucked at containing the virus and 
so many people call it a hoax. 
And we will probably reach herd immunity by July if enough people get 
vaccinated. 

want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom list by 
sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in the 
subject 

> On Mar 13, 2021, at 12:35 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> And if you believe this,
> I've got a bridge for sale,
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
> Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 5:51 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID
> 
> THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
> Feb. 18, 2021 12:35 pm ET
> 
> 
> 
> We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April
> 
> 
> Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the 
> public about the good news.
> 
> By Marty Makary
> 
> Amid the dire Covid warnings, one crucial fact has been largely
> ignored: Cases are down 77% over the past six weeks. If a medication slashed 
> cases by 77%, we’d call it a miracle pill. Why is the number of cases 
> plummeting much faster than experts predicted?
> In large part because natural immunity from prior infection is far more 
> common than can be measured by testing. Testing has been capturing only from 
> 10% to 25% of infections, depending on when during the pandemic someone got 
> the virus. Applying a time-weighted case capture average of 1 in 6.5 to the 
> cumulative 28 million confirmed cases would mean about 55% of Americans have 
> natural immunity.
> 
> Now add people getting vaccinated. As of this week, 15% of Americans have 
> received the vaccine, and the figure is rising fast. Former Food and Drug 
> Commissioner Scott Gottlieb estimates 250 million doses will have been 
> delivered to some 150 million people by the end of March.
> There is reason to think the country is racing toward an extremely low level 
> of infection. As more people have been infected, most of whom have mild or no 
> symptoms, there are fewer Americans left to be infected. At the current 
> trajectory, I expect Covid will be mostly gone by April, allowing Americans 
> to resume normal life.
> 
> Antibody studies almost certainly underestimate natural immunity.
> Antibody testing doesn’t capture antigen-specific T-cells, which develop 
> “memory” once they are activated by the virus. Survivors of the 1918 Spanish 
> flu were found in 2008—90 years later—to have memory cells still able to 
> produce neutralizing antibodies.
> Researchers at Sweden’s Karolinska Institute found that the percentage of 
> people mounting a T-cell response after mild or asymptomatic
> Covid-19 infection consistently exceeded the percentage with detectable 
> antibodies. T-cell immunity was even present in people who were exposed to 
> infected family members but never developed symptoms.
> A group of U.K. scientists in September pointed out that the medical 
> community may be under-appreciating the prevalence of immunity from activated 
> T-cells.
> Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. would also suggest much broader immunity than 
> recognized. About 1 in 600 Americans has died of Covid-19, which translates 
> to a population fatality rate of about 0.15%. The Covid-19 infection fatality 
> rate is about 0.23%. These numbers indicate that roughly two-thirds of the 
> U.S. population has had the infection.
> In my own conversations with medical experts, I have noticed that they too 
> often dismiss natural immunity, arguing that we don’t have data.
> The data certainly doesn’t fit the classic randomized-controlled-trial model 
> of the old-guard medical establishment. There’s no control group. But the 
> observational data is compelling.
> I have argued for months that we could save more American lives if those with 
> prior Covid-19 infection forgo vaccines until all vulnerable seniors get 
> their first dose. Several studies demonstrate that natural immunity should 
> protect those who had Covid-19 until more vaccines are available. Half my 
> friends in the medical community told
> me: Good idea. The other half said there isn’t enough data on natural 
> immunity, despite the fact that reinfections have occurred in less than 1% of 
> people—and when they do occur, the cases are mild.
> But the consistent and rapid decline in daily cases since Jan. 8 can be 
> explained only by natural immunity. Behavior didn’t suddenly improve over the 
> holidays; Americans traveled more over Christmas than they had since March. 
> Vaccines also don’t explain the steep decline in January. Vaccination rates 
> were low and they take weeks to kick in.
> 

RE: Masks & Face ID

[Christopher Chaltain]

I've already answered this question when you asked it a few days ago, but not 
every nation was as aggressive as dealing with the pandemic as New Zealand was, 
so in order to protect the health of the people around me, to give them peace 
of mind that I'm not infecting them, and to help our economy recover more 
quickly, I'm wearing a mask when I can't socially distance outside of my bubble.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with face masks,

 Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New Zealand!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so the 
necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom 
> list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with 
> subscribe in the subject
>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and
>> 9to5 Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock 
>> your phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id 
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 
>>> will allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, 
>>> but those who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
>>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' 
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you 
>>> can set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set 
>>> it up with more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & 
>>> unmasked faces for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this 
>>> isn’t possible or one of you would have done it.  I’m just curious 
>>> though since it would make sense to allow more than one face just as 
>>> it does to allow more than one finger.
>>>
>>> Sherry Wells
>>> --
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>>> iPhone list.
>>>
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>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please 
>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list 
>>> itself.
>>>
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>>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>
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Re: Masks & Face ID

[Nimer Jaber]

Posts like the below by Simon are dangerous, and should not be permitted on
list. That's all I have to say on this topic.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:33 PM Simon A Fogarty 
wrote:

> Why do you need to wear face masks?
>
> I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that
> we've dealt with face masks,
>
>  Don't even know anyone that has worn one,
>
> Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New
> Zealand!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID
>
> A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so
> the necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
> On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> > yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
> >
> > want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom
> > list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with
> > subscribe in the subject
> >
> >> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
> >>
> >>  Hi All,
> >>
> >> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and
> >> 9to5 Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock
> >> your phone if you have an Apple Watch.
> >>
> >> Wendy
> >>
> >>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Richard,
> >>>
> >>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id
> >>> settings,
> >>>
> >>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
> >>>
> >>> If you have two faces that is.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> >>> Of Richard Turner
> >>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
> >>>
> >>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5
> >>> will allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work,
> >>> but those who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is
> released.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >>>
> >>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
> >>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My web site, www.turner42.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf
> >>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
> >>> To: 'VIPhone' 
> >>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
> >>>
> >>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you
> >>> can set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set
> >>> it up with more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked &
> >>> unmasked faces for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this
> >>> isn’t possible or one of you would have done it.  I’m just curious
> >>> though since it would make sense to allow more than one face just as
> >>> it does to allow more than one finger.
> >>>
> >>> Sherry Wells
> >>> --
> >>> The following information is important for all members of the V
> >>> iPhone list.
> >>>
> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
> >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please
> >>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the
> list itself.
> >>>
> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
> >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara
> >>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> >>>
> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
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RE: Masks & Face ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

And if you believe this,
I've got a bridge for sale,


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 5:51 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
Feb. 18, 2021 12:35 pm ET



We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April


Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the public 
about the good news.

By Marty Makary

Amid the dire Covid warnings, one crucial fact has been largely
ignored: Cases are down 77% over the past six weeks. If a medication slashed 
cases by 77%, we’d call it a miracle pill. Why is the number of cases 
plummeting much faster than experts predicted?
In large part because natural immunity from prior infection is far more common 
than can be measured by testing. Testing has been capturing only from 10% to 
25% of infections, depending on when during the pandemic someone got the virus. 
Applying a time-weighted case capture average of 1 in 6.5 to the cumulative 28 
million confirmed cases would mean about 55% of Americans have natural immunity.

Now add people getting vaccinated. As of this week, 15% of Americans have 
received the vaccine, and the figure is rising fast. Former Food and Drug 
Commissioner Scott Gottlieb estimates 250 million doses will have been 
delivered to some 150 million people by the end of March.
There is reason to think the country is racing toward an extremely low level of 
infection. As more people have been infected, most of whom have mild or no 
symptoms, there are fewer Americans left to be infected. At the current 
trajectory, I expect Covid will be mostly gone by April, allowing Americans to 
resume normal life.

Antibody studies almost certainly underestimate natural immunity.
Antibody testing doesn’t capture antigen-specific T-cells, which develop 
“memory” once they are activated by the virus. Survivors of the 1918 Spanish 
flu were found in 2008—90 years later—to have memory cells still able to 
produce neutralizing antibodies.
Researchers at Sweden’s Karolinska Institute found that the percentage of 
people mounting a T-cell response after mild or asymptomatic
Covid-19 infection consistently exceeded the percentage with detectable 
antibodies. T-cell immunity was even present in people who were exposed to 
infected family members but never developed symptoms.
A group of U.K. scientists in September pointed out that the medical community 
may be under-appreciating the prevalence of immunity from activated T-cells.
Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. would also suggest much broader immunity than 
recognized. About 1 in 600 Americans has died of Covid-19, which translates to 
a population fatality rate of about 0.15%. The Covid-19 infection fatality rate 
is about 0.23%. These numbers indicate that roughly two-thirds of the U.S. 
population has had the infection.
In my own conversations with medical experts, I have noticed that they too 
often dismiss natural immunity, arguing that we don’t have data.
The data certainly doesn’t fit the classic randomized-controlled-trial model of 
the old-guard medical establishment. There’s no control group. But the 
observational data is compelling.
I have argued for months that we could save more American lives if those with 
prior Covid-19 infection forgo vaccines until all vulnerable seniors get their 
first dose. Several studies demonstrate that natural immunity should protect 
those who had Covid-19 until more vaccines are available. Half my friends in 
the medical community told
me: Good idea. The other half said there isn’t enough data on natural immunity, 
despite the fact that reinfections have occurred in less than 1% of people—and 
when they do occur, the cases are mild.
But the consistent and rapid decline in daily cases since Jan. 8 can be 
explained only by natural immunity. Behavior didn’t suddenly improve over the 
holidays; Americans traveled more over Christmas than they had since March. 
Vaccines also don’t explain the steep decline in January. Vaccination rates 
were low and they take weeks to kick in.
My prediction that Covid-19 will be mostly gone by April is based on laboratory 
data, mathematical data, published literature and conversations with experts. 
But it’s also based on direct observation of how hard testing has been to get, 
especially for the poor. If you live in a wealthy community where worried 
people are vigilant about getting tested, you might think that most infections 
are captured by testing. But if you have seen the many barriers to testing for 
low-income Americans, you might think that very few infections have been 
captured at testing centers. Keep in mind that most infections are 
asymptomatic, which still triggers natural immunity.
Many experts, along with politicians and journalists, are afraid to talk about 
herd immunity. The term has political overtones because some suggested the U.S. 
simply let Covid

RE: Masks & Face ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

Why do you need to wear face masks?

I have yet to buy or own a face mask and haven't worn one in the year that 
we've dealt with face masks,

 Don't even know anyone that has worn one,

Guess its one of the great things about living in the nation of New Zealand!



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 4:38 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so the 
necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom 
> list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with 
> subscribe in the subject
>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 
>> 9to5 Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock 
>> your phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id 
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 
>>> will allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, 
>>> but those who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
>>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' 
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you 
>>> can set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set 
>>> it up with more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & 
>>> unmasked faces for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this 
>>> isn’t possible or one of you would have done it.  I’m just curious 
>>> though since it would make sense to allow more than one face just as 
>>> it does to allow more than one finger.
>>>
>>> Sherry Wells
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RE: Masks & Face ID

[Christopher Chaltain]

OK, thanks for the article, and a good read. A few points though:
1. This is one doctor's opinion. There are other doctors who don't think we'll 
reach herd immunity until the summer. I provided a link with such information.
2. He's providing nation wide statistics. For example, here in Texas, we're 
behind the curve when it comes to vaccinations, so our herd immunity will come 
after other parts of the country reach herd immunity.
3. I don't see anywhere in this article where the author says people should 
stop wearing masks in April. Opening up the economy in April isn't the same 
thing as telling people they can stop wearing masks.
4. this article also states that the COVID-19 virus will be with us for decades 
and there will continue to be mutations. He doesn't use these words, but 
vaccines will continue to be playing catch up for a while.
5. I don't see anything in this article that says there won't be some people 
who will still be wearing masks for some time to come and this feature in IOS 
will be welcomed by those people. Not everyone needs to use every feature in 
their iPhone for it to be a useful feature.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
Feb. 18, 2021 12:35 pm ET



We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April


Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the public 
about the good news.

By Marty Makary

Amid the dire Covid warnings, one crucial fact has been largely
ignored: Cases are down 77% over the past six weeks. If a medication slashed 
cases by 77%, we’d call it a miracle pill. Why is the number of cases 
plummeting much faster than experts predicted?
In large part because natural immunity from prior infection is far more common 
than can be measured by testing. Testing has been capturing only from 10% to 
25% of infections, depending on when during the pandemic someone got the virus. 
Applying a time-weighted case capture average of 1 in 6.5 to the cumulative 28 
million confirmed cases would mean about 55% of Americans have natural immunity.

Now add people getting vaccinated. As of this week, 15% of Americans have 
received the vaccine, and the figure is rising fast. Former Food and Drug 
Commissioner Scott Gottlieb estimates 250 million doses will have been 
delivered to some 150 million people by the end of March.
There is reason to think the country is racing toward an extremely low level of 
infection. As more people have been infected, most of whom have mild or no 
symptoms, there are fewer Americans left to be infected. At the current 
trajectory, I expect Covid will be mostly gone by April, allowing Americans to 
resume normal life.

Antibody studies almost certainly underestimate natural immunity.
Antibody testing doesn’t capture antigen-specific T-cells, which develop 
“memory” once they are activated by the virus. Survivors of the 1918 Spanish 
flu were found in 2008—90 years later—to have memory cells still able to 
produce neutralizing antibodies.
Researchers at Sweden’s Karolinska Institute found that the percentage of 
people mounting a T-cell response after mild or asymptomatic
Covid-19 infection consistently exceeded the percentage with detectable 
antibodies. T-cell immunity was even present in people who were exposed to 
infected family members but never developed symptoms.
A group of U.K. scientists in September pointed out that the medical community 
may be under-appreciating the prevalence of immunity from activated T-cells.
Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. would also suggest much broader immunity than 
recognized. About 1 in 600 Americans has died of Covid-19, which translates to 
a population fatality rate of about 0.15%. The Covid-19 infection fatality rate 
is about 0.23%. These numbers indicate that roughly two-thirds of the U.S. 
population has had the infection.
In my own conversations with medical experts, I have noticed that they too 
often dismiss natural immunity, arguing that we don’t have data.
The data certainly doesn’t fit the classic randomized-controlled-trial model of 
the old-guard medical establishment. There’s no control group. But the 
observational data is compelling.
I have argued for months that we could save more American lives if those with 
prior Covid-19 infection forgo vaccines until all vulnerable seniors get their 
first dose. Several studies demonstrate that natural immunity should protect 
those who had Covid-19 until more vaccines are available. Half my friends in 
the medical community told
me: Good idea. The other half said there isn’t enough data on natural immunity, 
despite the fact that reinfections have occurred in less than 1% of people—and 
when they do occur, the cases are mild.
But the consistent and rapid decline in daily cases since Jan. 8

Re: Masks & Face ID

[Kelly Pierce]

vulnerable seniors get their first dose. Several studies demonstrate
that natural immunity should protect those who had Covid-19 until more
vaccines are available. Half my friends in the medical community told
me: Good idea. The other half said there isn’t enough data on natural
immunity, despite the fact that reinfections have occurred in less
than 1% of people—and when they do occur, the cases are mild.

But the consistent and rapid decline in daily cases since Jan. 8 can
be explained only by natural immunity. Behavior didn’t suddenly
improve over the holidays; Americans traveled more over Christmas than
they had since March. Vaccines also don’t explain the steep decline in
January. Vaccination rates were low and they take weeks to kick in.

My prediction that Covid-19 will be mostly gone by April is based on
laboratory data, mathematical data, published literature and
conversations with experts. But it’s also based on direct observation
of how hard testing has been to get, especially for the poor. If you
live in a wealthy community where worried people are vigilant about
getting tested, you might think that most infections are captured by
testing. But if you have seen the many barriers to testing for
low-income Americans, you might think that very few infections have
been captured at testing centers. Keep in mind that most infections
are asymptomatic, which still triggers natural immunity.

Many experts, along with politicians and journalists, are afraid to
talk about herd immunity. The term has political overtones because
some suggested the U.S. simply let Covid rip to achieve herd immunity.
That was a reckless idea. But herd immunity is the inevitable result
of viral spread and vaccination. When the chain of virus transmission
has been broken in multiple places, it’s harder for it to spread—and
that includes the new strains.

Herd immunity has been well-documented in the Brazilian city of
Manaus, where researchers in the Lancet reported the prevalence of
prior Covid-19 infection to be 76%, resulting in a significant slowing
of the infection. Doctors are watching a new strain that threatens to
evade prior immunity. But countries where new variants have emerged,
such as the U.K., South Africa and Brazil, are also seeing significant
declines in daily new cases. The risk of new variants mutating around
the prior vaccinated or natural immunity should be a reminder that
Covid-19 will persist for decades after the pandemic is over. It
should also instill a sense of urgency to develop, authorize and
administer a vaccine targeted to new variants.

Some medical experts privately agreed with my prediction that there
may be very little Covid-19 by April but suggested that I not to talk
publicly about herd immunity because people might become complacent
and fail to take precautions or might decline the vaccine. But
scientists shouldn’t try to manipulate the public by hiding the truth.
As we encourage everyone to get a vaccine, we also need to reopen
schools and society to limit the damage of closures and prolonged
isolation. Contingency planning for an open economy by April can
deliver hope to those in despair and to those who have made large
personal sacrifices.

Dr. Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and
Bloomberg School of Public Health, chief medical adviser to Sesame
Care, and author of “The Price We Pay.”

On 3/12/21, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> This isn't true. Do you have a link to this source? Here's one site of many
> that says we should be wearing masks at least into the summer
> https://parade.com/1141266/ericasweeney/how-long-will-we-have-to-wear-masks/
> Plus, since the COVID-19 virus isn't going away, and will continue to
> mutate, and since no vaccine is 100% affective, there will be some people
> who will continue to wear masks for years if not forever in some situations.
> A feature like what Apple is providing will be beneficial to some even if
> others don't take advantage of it.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly
> Pierce
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 9:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID
>
> A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so
> the necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
> On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:
>> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>>
>> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom
>> list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with
>> subscribe in the subject
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi All,
>>>
>>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and
>>> 9t

RE: Masks & Face ID

[Christopher Chaltain]

This isn't true. Do you have a link to this source? Here's one site of many 
that says we should be wearing masks at least into the summer 
https://parade.com/1141266/ericasweeney/how-long-will-we-have-to-wear-masks/ 
Plus, since the COVID-19 virus isn't going away, and will continue to mutate, 
and since no vaccine is 100% affective, there will be some people who will 
continue to wear masks for years if not forever in some situations. A feature 
like what Apple is providing will be beneficial to some even if others don't 
take advantage of it.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2021 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Masks & Face ID

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by April so the 
necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom 
> list by sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with 
> subscribe in the subject
>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 
>> 9to5 Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock 
>> your phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id 
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 
>>> will allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, 
>>> but those who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
>>> Of sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' 
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you 
>>> can set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set 
>>> it up with more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & 
>>> unmasked faces for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this 
>>> isn’t possible or one of you would have done it.  I’m just curious 
>>> though since it would make sense to allow more than one face just as 
>>> it does to allow more than one finger.
>>>
>>> Sherry Wells
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Re: Masks & Face ID

[Kelly Pierce]

A doctor from Jons Hopkins says that Covid will be mostly gone by
April so the necessity to wear face masks will be ending soon.

Kelly



On 3/12/21, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works.
>
> want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom list by
> sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in
> the subject
>
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All,
>>
>> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 9to5
>> Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock your
>> phone if you have an Apple Watch.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id
>>> settings,
>>>
>>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>>
>>> If you have two faces that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will
>>> allow for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those
>>> who have a phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of
>>> sherrywells1...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:44 AM
>>> To: 'VIPhone' 
>>> Subject: Masks & Face ID
>>>
>>> I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you can
>>> set it up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set it up with
>>> more than one face?  If so, you could have both masked & unmasked faces
>>> for use in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this isn’t possible or one
>>> of you would have done it.  I’m just curious though since it would make
>>> sense to allow more than one face just as it does to allow more than one
>>> finger.
>>>
>>> Sherry Wells
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Re: Masks & Face ID

[Maria Reyes]

yeah it'll be interesting to see how that new feature works. 

want to talk about all aspects of blindness? Join the blind chatroom list by 
sending an email to blind-chatroom-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in the 
subject 

> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Wendy Lin  wrote:
> 
>  Hi All,
> 
> Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 9to5 
> Mac, the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock your phone 
> if you have an Apple Watch.
> 
> Wendy
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>>  
>> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id settings,
>>  
>> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>>  
>> If you have two faces that is.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>>  
>> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will allow 
>> for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those who have a 
>> phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>  
>>  
>> My web site, www.turner42.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
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>> in unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this isn’t possible or one of you 
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Re: Masks & Face ID

[Wendy Lin]

Hi All,

Well based on the Youtube videos I’ve watched from Apple Insider and 9to5 Mac, 
the Face ID feature with the masks will only work to unlock your phone if you 
have an Apple Watch.

Wendy

> On Mar 11, 2021, at 4:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
>  
> IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id settings,
>  
> So in a way you can have both faces in there.
>  
> If you have two faces that is.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID
>  
> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will allow 
> for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those who have a 
> phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
>  
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>  
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> My web site, www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com/>
>  
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RE: Masks & Face ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Richard,

IOS 14 also allows you to have an alternate face in your face id settings,

So in a way you can have both faces in there.

If you have two faces that is.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:46 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Masks & Face ID

You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will allow 
for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those who have a 
phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.



Richard

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realize that you are in a hurry.


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Re: Masks & Face ID

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

You can have two faces stored, but they can't be masked. In iOS 14.5, if you 
are masked and are wearing an unlocked Apple Watch, the watch will unlock your 
phone.

Best,
Anna


> On Mar 11, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Not so on recent versions of iOS.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2021, at 09:45, Richard Turner  > wrote:
> 
> You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will allow 
> for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those who have a 
> phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
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> realize that you are in a hurry.
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>  
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>  
>  
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Not so on recent versions of iOS.

- Brad -


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You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will allow 
for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those who have a 
phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.
 
 
 
Richard
 
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realize that you are in a hurry.
 
 
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I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you can set it 
up for more than one finger.  With face id, can you set it up with more than 
one face?  If so, you could have both masked & unmasked faces for use in 
unlocking the phone.  I’m guessing this isn’t possible or one of you would have 
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[Brad Snyder]

Yes, FaceID allows for more than one face, but presently, FaceID will not work 
with a masked face.


- Brad -


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I have an IPhone 8 so still use touch id.  When you set that up you can set it 
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RE: Masks & Face ID

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You can only have one face, but apparently it looks like iOS 14.5 will allow 
for masks during face ID.  Not sure how that will work, but those who have a 
phone with face ID can find out once 14.5 is released.



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one face?  If so, you could have both masked & unmasked faces for use in 
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