Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-12 Thread Teresa Cochran
Of Christina C. Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Teresa, What’s the difference between my iCloud passcode and my account password? I thought mine were one in the same. I thought I only had one

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-12 Thread Christina C.
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina C. Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Teresa

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-12 Thread Teresa Cochran
the same if you wish. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina C. Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Teresa, What’s

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-12 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
] On Behalf Of Christina C. Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Teresa, What’s the difference between my iCloud passcode and my account password? I thought mine were one

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-12 Thread Christina C.
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina C. Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Teresa

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-11 Thread Christina C.
Teresa, What’s the difference between my iCloud passcode and my account password? I thought mine were one in the same. I thought I only had one and it is both my apple ID and my iCloud account with the same username and password? Thanks for any clarification, Christina On Dec 9, 2014, at

RE: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-11 Thread Neal Ewers
:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Teresa, What’s the difference between my iCloud passcode and my account password? I thought mine were one in the same. I thought I only had one and it is both my apple ID and my iCloud

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-11 Thread Christina C.
@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Teresa, What’s the difference between my iCloud passcode and my account password? I thought mine were one in the same. I thought I only had one and it is both my apple ID

RE: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-10 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
, December 09, 2014 9:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication so, here's the question. I ahve an ipad, and an iphone.I've never even ehard of this recovery key. Where would i get 1 from Apple? On 12/9/2014 3:10 PM, M. Taylor wrote

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-10 Thread carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
, December 09, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Hi, Mark and all, The other day I erased and restored my iPod. I'd lost my recovery key. I installed Google Voice and had a code sent to that phone number, which was already established

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-10 Thread Mike Arrigo
Apple was actually doing their job here, what if that wasn't the real person, but a hacker instead? If you're going to use that kind of security, you need to understand the responsibility that goes with it. Again, personally I think using 2 step security and file vault is overkill, but if you

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-10 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
Very true. I haven't read the article but sounds like someone had more time to complain than feel security confident. On 10/12/2014 04:20, Joanne Chua wrote: I personally found this article is laughable. It is the user choice to activated two factor authentication for Apple, then, they

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread christopher hallsworth
Thanks for sharing. I did read somewhere that you must use a recovery key to unlock a locked account. This is probably overlooked though. You just can't win. An Apple ID without two factor authentication makes you an easy target for hackers, yet having an account with two factor authentication

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi, Mark and all, The other day I erased and restored my iPod. I'd lost my recovery key. I installed Google Voice and had a code sent to that phone number, which was already established as one of my trusted devices. I reset my recovery key this way. Needless to say, I'm going to Braille it

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Hope Paulos
How can you set up to factor authentication for an existing Apple ID? I don't believe I have the set up… Hope Paulos On Dec 9, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote: Hi, Mark and all, The other day I erased and restored my iPod. I'd lost my recovery key. I installed

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Agent086b
Hi, very interesting situation. I have no recollection of being asked to print my key. I may have though and just forgotten. Is it possible to re-print the key now? If it is could anybody give me some pointers? Thanks for any advice. Max On 10 Dec 2014, at 7:10 am, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread christopher hallsworth
Go to http://appleid.apple.com click manage my Apple ID, sign in and it's in the passwords and security tab. On 9 Dec 2014, at 20:40, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: How can you set up to factor authentication for an existing Apple ID? I don't believe I have the set up… Hope

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Where does the app Authy fit into all this? Is it easier to remember the recovery key with this app? /Krister 9 dec 2014 kl. 21:40 skrev Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com: How can you set up to factor authentication for an existing Apple ID? I don't believe I have the set up… Hope

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
This is an interesting article. To use this authentication you needed to have set it up using the two step process. When this is done you no longer have to answer security questions. I don't know about others but I'd rather use the security questions since I won't potentially lose them whereas I

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread RobH.
: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Hi, Mark and all, The other day I erased and restored my iPod. I'd lost my recovery key. I installed Google Voice and had a code sent to that phone number, which was already established as one of my trusted devices. I reset my recovery

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread RobH.
Well this is more me, though nearly forgot the answers to those two, once. - Original Message - From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:11 PM Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Paul Ferrara
Ok, so this recovery key--you only get one if you set up 2-layered encription? How do you do this, and is this key a set of numbers and letters? Does VO read it? Paul -Original Message- From: M. Taylor Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Teresa Cochran
opt for 2 factor logging? I've not seen, had, or have heard of these keys before now. RobH. - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Teresa Cochran
When I got my recovery key, I copied it onto my Braille Lite and onto an old-fashioned piece of paper in Braille. I put the piece of paper with my notes in my backpack. I also thought of taping another paper copy on the underside of my computer desk, but don't know if I'll do that or not. You

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: Viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:26 PM Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Thanks for sharing. I did read somewhere that you must use a recovery key to unlock a locked account. This is probably

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
layer of protection, or at least is that what it's supposed to be? Carol P - Original Message - From: Teresa Cochran To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:09 PM Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication When I got my

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
I don't agree withthis as the Darkside of apple's 2 step authentication for your safety. If people cannot be responsible to keep their security unlock key in a safe place then that is not apple's fault. I have the service enabled and I have all my safe recovery keys in an area that I can get to

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread John Panarese
I'm glad someone has made this point. If you lose the security key, it's your fault. If you are going to enable any kind of feature, you should know what the risks and benefits are. It's no different than enabling FileVault 2 on a Mac. A security key is also generated and it's your

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Robin Frost
: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Hi, Mark and all, The other day I erased and restored my iPod. I'd lost my recovery key. I installed Google Voice and had a code sent to that phone number, which was already established as one of my trusted devices. I reset my recovery key

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Teresa Cochran
I generally agree with the philosophy here. It's like having a clicker for your car or your housekeys. You really don't want to get caught without your house key. I noticed a news story yesterday about decreased iPhone theft with Touch ID and two-step verification in place. Teresa We can see

RE: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Merv Keck
Hi, I have to agree with you about two factor authentication and being responsible for your own security. About ten years ago my dad died and about a week later I saw him log into his Instant Messenger. Of course I knew it was a relative at the house snooping through his personal files so I wrote

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Kerri G
I do agree with this, Merv. The lady in th article does make some valid points but to me, she sounded a little whiny. Now I know it is frustrating but if you know there is 2 step verification and you use it, keep your stuff in multiple safe locations. Congratulations on having the only Dad

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Kerri G
: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Hi, Mark and all, The other day I erased and restored my iPod. I'd lost my recovery key. I installed Google Voice and had a code sent to that phone number, which was already established as one of my trusted devices. I reset my recovery key

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Mike Arrigo
They were lucky that they found their key. If you're going to use that system, you need to keep it stored somewhere you can find it. Personally I think the 2 factor authentication is a bit overboard, but that's just my opinion. Original message: Hello Everyone, I strongly suggest that you

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Joanne Chua
I personally found this article is laughable. It is the user choice to activated two factor authentication for Apple, then, they complain about how, Apple being too overly safe and security conchious for user protection... It is not Apple's fault if individuals forget their passwords, or their

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
Hi, There's nothing dark about this at all; the article's clearly been written by someone who's extremely annoyed that they nearly lost access to their Apple ID and is trying to find ways they can portray Apple in a bad light. In the nicest way possible, I for one am quite glad that the author

RE: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
I'M GUESSING THE RECOVERY KEY IS DEFINED BY Apple? How many characters do these tend to be? Just wondering if the recovery key is provided by Apple, but then can users change it to their own preference? Like some temporary passwords provided by some websites. Thanks in advance. Keith

RE: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Neal Ewers
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Hi, Mark and all, The other day I erased and restored my iPod. I'd lost my

RE: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Neal Ewers
To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication I don't agree withthis as the Darkside of apple's 2 step authentication for your safety. If people cannot be responsible to keep their security unlock key in a safe place then that is not apple's fault. I

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Teresa Cochran
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication I don't agree withthis as the Darkside of apple's 2 step authentication for your safety. If people cannot be responsible to keep their security unlock key

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Teresa Cochran
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Hi, Mark and all, The other day I erased and restored my iPod. I'd lost my recovery key

Re: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Jed Barton
so, here's the question. I ahve an ipad, and an iphone.I've never even ehard of this recovery key. Where would i get 1 from Apple? On 12/9/2014 3:10 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, I strongly suggest that you read the following article, very carefully. The link to the original

RE: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication

2014-12-09 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 12:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The dark side of Apple's two-factor authentication Hmmm, I found this on the web. I don’t know how new it is, but it appears, from reading