Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Kimber Gardner]

Done. And thanks for the headsup on this subject.

On 12/1/15, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep
> the headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here.
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
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RE: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA)]

Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. Is 
it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone jack? 
Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive messages 
in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my sighted peers. 
They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re doing. I know I’m 
preaching to the choir.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
proactive.
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> On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. 
> Is it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone 
> jack? Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive 
> messages in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my 
> sighted peers. They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re 
> doing. I know I’m preaching to the choir.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>  
> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
> headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html 
> 
> Jonathan Mosen
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Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
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RE: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA)]

I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life because I know 
what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately purchase software to 
make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this list know what that’s like. We 
need to let them know now that we want them to keep this and how taking it away 
will affect how we use the phone. I know lots of sighted folks who absolutely 
love being able to use headphones with their iphones as well. I will pass on 
the feedback link to them as well.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
proactive.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
> wrote:

Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. Is 
it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone jack? 
Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive messages 
in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my sighted peers. 
They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re doing. I know I’m 
preaching to the choir.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Ed Worrell]

Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It is just 
that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going to include a 
projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not jumping to conclusions that 
Apple is going to take the on screen keyboard away… This is the same thing, 
Apple will not remove the head phone jack… Chances are  the blog that posted 
this runs on purely advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. If Apple 
removes the head phone jack they will include head phones that work with what 
ever plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your displeasure on a 
product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t one to leave the 
disability community in the dark (pun intended). Just take a breath and relax. 
Apple won’t leave us out to dry.

Just my thoughts, so don’t jump down my throat.

Ed Worrell
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life because I know 
> what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately purchase software to 
> make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this list know what that’s like. 
> We need to let them know now that we want them to keep this and how taking it 
> away will affect how we use the phone. I know lots of sighted folks who 
> absolutely love being able to use headphones with their iphones as well. I 
> will pass on the feedback link to them as well.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>  
> Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
> they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
> things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
> proactive.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>  
> On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
> > wrote:
>  
> Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. 
> Is it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone 
> jack? Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive 
> messages in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my 
> sighted peers. They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re 
> doing. I know I’m preaching to the choir.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>  
> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
> headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html 
> 
> Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Jewel]

Have done!

Jewel


From: Jonathan Mosen 
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones


Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html 
Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Ed, not jumping down your throat at all, but let me offer some context if I 
may.
First, I know for a fact that Apple has been bothered by the 3.5MM headphone 
jack, and the perception that it has stopped them from making the phone 
thinner. I know this because  everything that Apple patents is publicly 
searchable, and I take the time to monitor what Apple is patenting. It's 
fascinating, and lets me see where tech might be going and what they're 
thinking about. Some time ago, 2014 if I am remembering correctly, Apple 
patented a new, proprietary headphone jack that is thinner. So we know the 
issue of the size of the jack has been on its radar, and they care about the 
issue enough to have publicly filed a patent for a new kind of jack that's 
totally different from anything on the market.
Second, I would have to disagree with your assessment of the source of this 
news story. I read a lot of tech sites, and there are some that just interview 
their own keyboards, so you're right to be skeptical. This particular site is a 
credible Japanese tech news site, who, based on their very good track record 
with Apple exclusives in the past, seems to have a pretty good internal source 
within Apple. This internal Apple source is saying that the discussion about 
the size of the headphone jack has resulted in a compromise. It's saying they 
think the public backlash would be too great if they included a special 
headphone jack, but putting a digital to analogue converter in the Lightning 
connector would be a compromise Apple could live with, and they think the 
public will accept.
Another highly respected site, Cult of Mac, respects the original source enough 
to have posted an article today, which Mary has posted to this list.
No site gets it right 100% of the time, and I hope fervently that they got it 
wrong this time. But the thing is, what if they're right? We may be early 
enough in the iPhone 7 development process to stop it now, if we provide 
constructive feedback that we value the jack.
Finally, it's possible that Apple wants this to leak. I've done a lot of public 
relations in technology, politics and other fields. It's a common strategy that 
a company will let something leak that they know could be controversial, so 
they can see what the fall-out might be like if they went ahead with a certain 
course of action.
So, for people like me who feel strongly about this issue, it takes me a few 
minutes to craft a nicely worded bit of feedback about why I value the 
headphone jack and send it off. If the rumour is completely erroneous, I 
sacrificed five minutes of my time and it's no big deal. But if Apple are 
thinking about it and can still change their minds at this point, I may have 
made a small difference.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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> On 2/12/2015, at 11:52 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It is just 
> that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going to include a 
> projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not jumping to conclusions 
> that Apple is going to take the on screen keyboard away… This is the same 
> thing, Apple will not remove the head phone jack… Chances are  the blog that 
> posted this runs on purely advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. 
> If Apple removes the head phone jack they will include head phones that work 
> with what ever plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your 
> displeasure on a product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t 
> one to leave the disability community in the dark (pun intended). Just take a 
> breath and relax. Apple won’t leave us out to dry.
> 
> Just my thoughts, so don’t jump down my throat.
> 
> Ed Worrell
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life because I 
>> know what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately purchase 
>> software to make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this list know what 
>> that’s like. We need to let them know now that we want them to keep this and 
>> how taking it away will affect how we use the phone. I know lots of sighted 
>> folks who absolutely love being able to use headphones with their iphones as 
>> well. I will pass on the feedback link to them as well.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>>  
>> Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
>> they're 

Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Regina Alvarado]

I agree Jonathan. If Apple is not thinking of getting rid of the earphone jack 
then I spent 5 minutes explaining why I use it all the time. If they are really 
thinking of not including the jack, well, better to be vocal in the beginning 
and let them know why it is important. At least they may rethink their stance 
if enough people say they use the jack. 

reggie & Lex

On Dec 1, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Message sent. I hope others will do the same. We may not make a difference, and 
the site that Jonathan quoted and others have seen maybe wrong this time. But 
it can't hurt to send him a nice message saying that we don't think a 
millimeter of thickness is worth the loss of the headphone jack and the 
problems that would accrue to people if this were done.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
> headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
> Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Mary Otten]

I saw another article today the talk about how Apple is supposedly considering 
any number of various combinations for the new iPhone. Again, we don't know. 
But I don't think this rumor about taking away the headphone jack is the same 
as the business about the project keyboard. That may happen at some point. But 
I don't think technology is there. And they may not get rid of the on-screen 
keyboard even if they did the projection one. They're not mutually exclusive. 
This would be a hardware decision which if taken, would be very difficult to 
reverse in a subsequent model without Apple having lots of crow. And Apple is 
not known for eating crow, although Tim Cook has been better at that than jobs 
ever was.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It is just 
> that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going to include a 
> projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not jumping to conclusions 
> that Apple is going to take the on screen keyboard away… This is the same 
> thing, Apple will not remove the head phone jack… Chances are  the blog that 
> posted this runs on purely advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. 
> If Apple removes the head phone jack they will include head phones that work 
> with what ever plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your 
> displeasure on a product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t 
> one to leave the disability community in the dark (pun intended). Just take a 
> breath and relax. Apple won’t leave us out to dry.
> 
> Just my thoughts, so don’t jump down my throat.
> 
> Ed Worrell
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life because I 
>> know what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately purchase 
>> software to make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this list know what 
>> that’s like. We need to let them know now that we want them to keep this and 
>> how taking it away will affect how we use the phone. I know lots of sighted 
>> folks who absolutely love being able to use headphones with their iphones as 
>> well. I will pass on the feedback link to them as well.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>>  
>> Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
>> they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
>> things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
>> proactive.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>>  
>> On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. 
>> Is it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone 
>> jack? Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive 
>> messages in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my 
>> sighted peers. They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re 
>> doing. I know I’m preaching to the choir.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>>  
>> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep 
>> the headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
>> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
>> Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Devin Prater]

Seriously? Lol you guys. If the have just the lightning connector, or two of 
them, they plan to have their headphones, and probably other brands too, and an 
adaptor, to have the headphones plug into the lightning port. This will allow 
for better sound, and a smaller phone. Am I worried? Yeah. I like my current 
Apple Earpods just fine, and don't see any need for Apple to push physics with 
smaller, thinner, almost lighter than air phones. They need to work on software 
and more power/battery life and all that. But ah well, I'm not in control of 
Apple and their need to step forward, even if it means leaving some people in 
the dust.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
> they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
> things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
> proactive.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. 
>> Is it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone 
>> jack? Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive 
>> messages in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my 
>> sighted peers. They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re 
>> doing. I know I’m preaching to the choir.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>>  
>> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep 
>> the headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
>> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
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RE: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Rose Combs]

Wrote a message requesting the current configuration of earphone and suggested 
that if we can’t charge and use earphone at same time I might be tempted to 
change despite my use of VO daily!  I hope it does not come to that, I love all 
the things I can do with my iPhone 6, but I would be eligible for a 7… 

Maybe not politic but it is done.  

I spent half my day on phone either on hold or discussing insurance with 
someone who could not understand me and whom I could barely understand so I am 
not politic at this moment.  

 

 

Rose Combs

  roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

 

Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

Jonathan Mosen

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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Mary Otten]

Message sent. I hope others will do the same. We may not make a difference, and 
the site that Jonathan quoted and others have seen maybe wrong this time. But 
it can't hurt to send him a nice message saying that we don't think a 
millimeter of thickness is worth the loss of the headphone jack and the 
problems that would accrue to people if this were done.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
> headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Christopher Chaltain]

There's already a standard 2.55MM headphone jack, which I know isn't as 
thin as what Apple has patented. Also, switching to a proprietary jack 
would have some financial benefits for Apple.


On 01/12/15 17:35, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

Hi Ed, not jumping down your throat at all, but let me offer some
context if I may.
First, I know for a fact that Apple has been bothered by the 3.5MM
headphone jack, and the perception that it has stopped them from making
the phone thinner. I know this because  everything that Apple patents is
publicly searchable, and I take the time to monitor what Apple is
patenting. It's fascinating, and lets me see where tech might be going
and what they're thinking about. Some time ago, 2014 if I am remembering
correctly, Apple patented a new, proprietary headphone jack that is
thinner. So we know the issue of the size of the jack has been on its
radar, and they care about the issue enough to have publicly filed a
patent for a new kind of jack that's totally different from anything on
the market.
Second, I would have to disagree with your assessment of the source of
this news story. I read a lot of tech sites, and there are some that
just interview their own keyboards, so you're right to be skeptical.
This particular site is a credible Japanese tech news site, who, based
on their very good track record with Apple exclusives in the past, seems
to have a pretty good internal source within Apple. This internal Apple
source is saying that the discussion about the size of the headphone
jack has resulted in a compromise. It's saying they think the public
backlash would be too great if they included a special headphone jack,
but putting a digital to analogue converter in the Lightning connector
would be a compromise Apple could live with, and they think the public
will accept.
Another highly respected site, Cult of Mac, respects the original source
enough to have posted an article today, which Mary has posted to this list.
No site gets it right 100% of the time, and I hope fervently that they
got it wrong this time. But the thing is, what if they're right? We may
be early enough in the iPhone 7 development process to stop it now, if
we provide constructive feedback that we value the jack.
Finally, it's possible that Apple wants this to leak. I've done a lot of
public relations in technology, politics and other fields. It's a common
strategy that a company will let something leak that they know could be
controversial, so they can see what the fall-out might be like if they
went ahead with a certain course of action.
So, for people like me who feel strongly about this issue, it takes me a
few minutes to craft a nicely worded bit of feedback about why I value
the headphone jack and send it off. If the rumour is completely
erroneous, I sacrificed five minutes of my time and it's no big deal.
But if Apple are thinking about it and can still change their minds at
this point, I may have made a small difference.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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On 2/12/2015, at 11:52 AM, Ed Worrell > wrote:

Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It
is just that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going
to include a projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not
jumping to conclusions that Apple is going to take the on screen
keyboard away… This is the same thing, Apple will not remove the head
phone jack… Chances are  the blog that posted this runs on purely
advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. If Apple removes the
head phone jack they will include head phones that work with what ever
plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your displeasure
on a product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t one to
leave the disability community in the dark (pun intended). Just take a
breath and relax. Apple won’t leave us out to dry.

Just my thoughts, so don’t jump down my throat.

Ed Worrell

On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA)
> wrote:

I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life
because I know what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately
purchase software to make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this
list know what that’s like. We need to let them know now that we want
them to keep this and how taking it away will affect how we use the
phone. I know lots of sighted folks who absolutely love being able to
use headphones with their iphones as well. I will pass on the
feedback link to them as well.
*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of*Jonathan Mosen
*Sent:*Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:*Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack 

Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Cara Quinn]

Ed,

While I see your point, I also feel that there is absolutely nothing wrong with 
people expressing what they would like to see in a future product, especially 
since this is not just some off-the-wall rumor from a non-reputable source.

No one is panicking here. It looks to me as if everyone is managing themselves 
quite well in fact and simply considering offering some feedback that Apple can 
use. -Know what I mean?

This is, after all, what the feedback link is for, is it not? This link is for 
anyone to use, be they blind, visually impaired, or simply a non-disabled 
person who wants to share their thoughts.

So why not use it?…

Thanks a bunch for your post and please have a wonderful day / evening!

Cheers!

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On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:

Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It is just 
that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going to include a 
projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not jumping to conclusions that 
Apple is going to take the on screen keyboard away… This is the same thing, 
Apple will not remove the head phone jack… Chances are  the blog that posted 
this runs on purely advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. If Apple 
removes the head phone jack they will include head phones that work with what 
ever plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your displeasure on a 
product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t one to leave the 
disability community in the dark (pun intended). Just take a breath and relax. 
Apple won’t leave us out to dry.

Just my thoughts, so don’t jump down my throat.

Ed Worrell
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life because I know 
> what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately purchase software to 
> make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this list know what that’s like. 
> We need to let them know now that we want them to keep this and how taking it 
> away will affect how we use the phone. I know lots of sighted folks who 
> absolutely love being able to use headphones with their iphones as well. I 
> will pass on the feedback link to them as well.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>  
> Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
> they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
> things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
> proactive.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>  
> On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>  wrote:
>  
> Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. 
> Is it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone 
> jack? Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive 
> messages in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my 
> sighted peers. They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re 
> doing. I know I’m preaching to the choir.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>  
> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
> headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
> Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ok, tried this.  2 things though:
It asks about feedback type,  it might be worth us agreeing which is the 
appropriate option, as none  seem to isolate the point we 
want to put over here.
Second,  after clicking send feedback,  I got a page not found error.  I hope 
this is'n't the remote script that is meant to be 
catching this feedback.

Thanks, BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:05 PM
Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones


Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Jonathon,

I understand. I watch the same blogs and patents as you do. I saw the patent a 
couple years ago for a thinner plug that would still use the standard 3.5 mm. 
plug. I am just saying that the internet is making a fire storm out of most 
likely nothing… At the end of the day Apple will do what ever Apple wants to 
do, and honestly we will all flock to Apple stores, and other retailers to 
purchase what ever new device they come out with, I am in this bunch. I love to 
see what is coming out next, and I like to think that watching patents keeps me 
ahead of the game, as it probably doesn’t but it’s kind of fun to watch the 
patent race. I really just think that all of the hype of Apple removing the 
head phone jack is really not that big of a deal, will it be annoying at first, 
definitely. will it change my feelings on the new iPhone, maybe. Will I still 
get the new iPhone at release, yes. I am just not sure why everyone is freaking 
out about it. Apple will give us head phones that work with what ever direction 
they want to go, and I am here for the ride.

JMO

Ed
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed, not jumping down your throat at all, but let me offer some context if 
> I may.
> First, I know for a fact that Apple has been bothered by the 3.5MM headphone 
> jack, and the perception that it has stopped them from making the phone 
> thinner. I know this because  everything that Apple patents is publicly 
> searchable, and I take the time to monitor what Apple is patenting. It's 
> fascinating, and lets me see where tech might be going and what they're 
> thinking about. Some time ago, 2014 if I am remembering correctly, Apple 
> patented a new, proprietary headphone jack that is thinner. So we know the 
> issue of the size of the jack has been on its radar, and they care about the 
> issue enough to have publicly filed a patent for a new kind of jack that's 
> totally different from anything on the market.
> Second, I would have to disagree with your assessment of the source of this 
> news story. I read a lot of tech sites, and there are some that just 
> interview their own keyboards, so you're right to be skeptical. This 
> particular site is a credible Japanese tech news site, who, based on their 
> very good track record with Apple exclusives in the past, seems to have a 
> pretty good internal source within Apple. This internal Apple source is 
> saying that the discussion about the size of the headphone jack has resulted 
> in a compromise. It's saying they think the public backlash would be too 
> great if they included a special headphone jack, but putting a digital to 
> analogue converter in the Lightning connector would be a compromise Apple 
> could live with, and they think the public will accept.
> Another highly respected site, Cult of Mac, respects the original source 
> enough to have posted an article today, which Mary has posted to this list.
> No site gets it right 100% of the time, and I hope fervently that they got it 
> wrong this time. But the thing is, what if they're right? We may be early 
> enough in the iPhone 7 development process to stop it now, if we provide 
> constructive feedback that we value the jack.
> Finally, it's possible that Apple wants this to leak. I've done a lot of 
> public relations in technology, politics and other fields. It's a common 
> strategy that a company will let something leak that they know could be 
> controversial, so they can see what the fall-out might be like if they went 
> ahead with a certain course of action.
> So, for people like me who feel strongly about this issue, it takes me a few 
> minutes to craft a nicely worded bit of feedback about why I value the 
> headphone jack and send it off. If the rumour is completely erroneous, I 
> sacrificed five minutes of my time and it's no big deal. But if Apple are 
> thinking about it and can still change their minds at this point, I may have 
> made a small difference.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 2/12/2015, at 11:52 AM, Ed Worrell > > wrote:
>> 
>> Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It is just 
>> that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going to include a 
>> projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not jumping to conclusions 
>> that Apple is going to take the on screen keyboard away… This is the same 
>> thing, Apple will not remove the head phone jack… Chances are  the blog that 
>> posted this runs on purely advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. 
>> If Apple removes the head phone jack they will include head phones that work 
>> with what ever plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your 
>> displeasure on a product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t 
>> one to leave the