Re: VO sounds
:) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have such different tastes needs. Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so looking forward to. Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my phone, I was muting it. The down side of this for me, I tended to miss alerts. I love not having the clicks and sounds of VO. I'm confused about something… I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver won't read alerts and such on the lock screen. Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not disturb on. For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I continue to miss from my old windows phone. Profiles!!! Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!? It would be the perfect item for the control center. Imagine a ticker that you could flick through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc. Do you guys remember this from windows phones? There were something like 4 different profiles that modified the phones sound style. It was something I used often back in the day. Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature. I'm definitely in the camp of loving it! :) Traci Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click on home button to turn vo off. Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather anoying, when its on speaker. :) On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could
Re: VO sounds
Yes profiles w Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote: :) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have such different tastes needs. Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so looking forward to. Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my phone, I was muting it. The down side of this for me, I tended to miss alerts. I love not having the clicks and sounds of VO. I'm confused about something… I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver won't read alerts and such on the lock screen. Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not disturb on. For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I continue to miss from my old windows phone. Profiles!!! Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!? It would be the perfect item for the control center. Imagine a ticker that you could flick through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc. Do you guys remember this from windows phones? There were something like 4 different profiles that modified the phones sound style. It was something I used often back in the day. Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature. I'm definitely in the camp of loving it! :) Traci Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click on home button to turn vo off. Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather anoying, when its on speaker. :) On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted
Profiles [was Re: VO sounds]
I didn't have a Windows Mobile phone, but I did have several Symbian phones from Nokia, and they also supported profiles. I agree this would be a great feature. As with Symbian phones, you could control sounds but also other settings, such as cellular data, wifi, bluetooth and so on. Apple could even tie this to your current location. On 10/10/2013 11:04 AM, Traci Duncan wrote: :) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have such different tastes needs. Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so looking forward to. Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my phone, I was muting it. The down side of this for me, I tended to miss alerts. I love not having the clicks and sounds of VO. I'm confused about something… I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver won't read alerts and such on the lock screen. Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not disturb on. For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I continue to miss from my old windows phone. Profiles!!! Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!? It would be the perfect item for the control center. Imagine a ticker that you could flick through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc. Do you guys remember this from windows phones? There were something like 4 different profiles that modified the phones sound style. It was something I used often back in the day. Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature. I'm definitely in the camp of loving it! :) Traci Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click on home button to turn vo off. Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather anoying, when its on speaker. :) On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds
Re: Profiles [was Re: VO sounds]
A out and about profile would be nice. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't have a Windows Mobile phone, but I did have several Symbian phones from Nokia, and they also supported profiles. I agree this would be a great feature. As with Symbian phones, you could control sounds but also other settings, such as cellular data, wifi, bluetooth and so on. Apple could even tie this to your current location. On 10/10/2013 11:04 AM, Traci Duncan wrote: :) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have such different tastes needs. Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so looking forward to. Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my phone, I was muting it. The down side of this for me, I tended to miss alerts. I love not having the clicks and sounds of VO. I'm confused about something… I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver won't read alerts and such on the lock screen. Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not disturb on. For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I continue to miss from my old windows phone. Profiles!!! Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!? It would be the perfect item for the control center. Imagine a ticker that you could flick through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc. Do you guys remember this from windows phones? There were something like 4 different profiles that modified the phones sound style. It was something I used often back in the day. Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature. I'm definitely in the camp of loving it! :) Traci Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click on home button to turn vo off. Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather anoying, when its on speaker. :) On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM
Re: Profiles [was Re: VO sounds]
I forgot that there was an option to customize your own profile. Hmmm, maybe we should stop this topic? It isn't really iDevice related anymore. ;) Traci On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: A out and about profile would be nice. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't have a Windows Mobile phone, but I did have several Symbian phones from Nokia, and they also supported profiles. I agree this would be a great feature. As with Symbian phones, you could control sounds but also other settings, such as cellular data, wifi, bluetooth and so on. Apple could even tie this to your current location. On 10/10/2013 11:04 AM, Traci Duncan wrote: :) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have such different tastes needs. Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so looking forward to. Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my phone, I was muting it. The down side of this for me, I tended to miss alerts. I love not having the clicks and sounds of VO. I'm confused about something… I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver won't read alerts and such on the lock screen. Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not disturb on. For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I continue to miss from my old windows phone. Profiles!!! Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!? It would be the perfect item for the control center. Imagine a ticker that you could flick through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc. Do you guys remember this from windows phones? There were something like 4 different profiles that modified the phones sound style. It was something I used often back in the day. Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature. I'm definitely in the camp of loving it! :) Traci Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click on home button to turn vo off. Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather anoying, when its on speaker. :) On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double
Re: VO sounds
I vacillate between having sounds on and off. I find that they help when trying to do things quickly, and perhaps my touching the screen is slightly more accurate with them on. But it surely seems as if using my phone is a, shall I say, smoother experience with them off. And there seems to be more of those noises in IOS 7 than in IOS 6. Now, if I just could turn them off in the bard app, too. That was a suggestion I made during the beta test. It may happen in the future. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: Re: VO sounds :) It is definitely hard to try to please all the people huh? We all have such different tastes needs. Funny enough, in IOS7, turning VO sounds off was one thing I was so looking forward to. Often, when I'm at home and very quietly using my phone, I was muting it. The down side of this for me, I tended to miss alerts. I love not having the clicks and sounds of VO. I'm confused about something… I thought when we mute our phone, VoiceOver won't read alerts and such on the lock screen. Another suggestion for folks, go into the control center and put do not disturb on. For any of you beta testers or who may have influence, here is one thing I continue to miss from my old windows phone. Profiles!!! Why in the world, does Apple not have this option!? It would be the perfect item for the control center. Imagine a ticker that you could flick through, outdoor, in a meeting, sleeping, etc. Do you guys remember this from windows phones? There were something like 4 different profiles that modified the phones sound style. It was something I used often back in the day. Anyway, I'm sorry for the users that aren't fond of this changed feature. I'm definitely in the camp of loving it! :) Traci Getting bored waiting for her iPhone5s On Oct 6, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click on home button to turn vo off. Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather anoying, when its on speaker. :) On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
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It's true I can do this, but any of these steps require more work and potentially more disruption around you then just flicking the mute button. It's just nice to be able to reach into a pocket and flick the mute button and not have to worry about the phone going off just like our sighted counterparts. I myself would definitely appreciate a way to do this, maybe through a configuration setting where I could tie certain audio and sounds to the mute button. I'm not sure why anyone would do this, but I just started up iTunes Radio and then hit the mute button. It did not mute the audio from iTunes Radio, so the mute button definitely doesn't seem to be intended to mute all sound. I would still like it to mute all sound from any alerts coming in while not having to power my iPhone off. On 10/06/2013 09:23 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click on home button to turn vo off. Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather anoying, when its on speaker. :) On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :) Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't make that mistake again. :) Just my thoughts. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I'm just curious
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is it my immagination or do the voice taps seem louder in ios7. man, they are enough to drive me up the wall, lol. -Original Message- From: Shane clark Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 1:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; accessible-...@freelists.org Subject: VO sounds Hi all, So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off? I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off, so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks. I'm kind of used to hearing both the iPhone clicks and the VO sounds as well, so I am more or less trying to play around with the different settings. What do you think of these settings, and how do you prefer to have your phone set? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hello, I turned off the VO sounds where Cara said to, and there is an interesting thing that happens with my phone. It seems to work more reliably. I have found that the clicks I need to have I still hear, but the phone is actually more responsive and stable. Trying to learn a very soft touch and it just seems I can do this easier with sounds off. Thought I needed the sounds, but finding out I really do not if VO is speaking. By the way, I noticed if on mute VO does not speak if a notification comes in. Am I just lucky or is that how it works now? reggie and Allegra On Oct 6, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Brice Smith brsmith2...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I don't really understand how VO sounds factor into disruptions during meetings. If you have the mute switch down with VO sounds still on, the ringer volume is of course on vibrate. You will only hear a noise if you flick right or left on the screen with voiceover, unless you turn VO clicks off. What has burned me in the past in meetings is when I've failed to turn the VO volume down on the phone with the physical volume buttonsso even if I'm in vibrate mode, VO might loudly read 10:03, one notification for the entire room to hear, vibrate mode or not. This is why I always turn the vibrate switch on, and I also take the added step of turning VO volume down very low before I go somewhere. But I still don't understand how the VO clicks themselves are inconveniencing people. They are not very loud or noticeable. They are certainly nowhere near as disrupting as a loud Samantha that hasn't been turned down. On 10/6/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do
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I am used to not having a mute button, as I use an iTouch 5, but I'd use one if it were included. IOS7 has made things a bit easier with fewer flicks or volume button pushes. Now I just use the three-finger double-tap to turn speech off and once I put sounds in the rotor, I turn those off with one flick, as well. Teresa On Oct 7, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: It's true I can do this, but any of these steps require more work and potentially more disruption around you then just flicking the mute button. It's just nice to be able to reach into a pocket and flick the mute button and not have to worry about the phone going off just like our sighted counterparts. I myself would definitely appreciate a way to do this, maybe through a configuration setting where I could tie certain audio and sounds to the mute button. I'm not sure why anyone would do this, but I just started up iTunes Radio and then hit the mute button. It did not mute the audio from iTunes Radio, so the mute button definitely doesn't seem to be intended to mute all sound. I would still like it to mute all sound from any alerts coming in while not having to power my iPhone off. On 10/06/2013 09:23 PM, Joanne Chua wrote: Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click on home button to turn vo off. Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather anoying, when its on speaker. :) On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses
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Hi all, So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off? I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off, so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks. I'm kind of used to hearing both the iPhone clicks and the VO sounds as well, so I am more or less trying to play around with the different settings. What do you think of these settings, and how do you prefer to have your phone set? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :) Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't make that mistake again. :) Just my thoughts… Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off? I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off, so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks. I'm kind of used to hearing both the iPhone clicks and the VO sounds as well, so I am more or less trying to play around with the different settings. What do you think of these settings, and how do you prefer to have your phone set? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :) Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't make that mistake again. :) Just my thoughts. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off? I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off, so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks. I'm kind of used to hearing both the iPhone clicks and the VO sounds as well, so I am more or less trying to play around with the different settings. What do you think of these settings, and how do you prefer to have your phone set? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi Sieghard, Yes I turn speech off as you mention but I'm really responding to Shane about the question in regard to sounds. For me this is simply nothing but more work to do to achieve the results I want. :) So that's all. Personally if I wanted a blindness-specific device which has all kinds of customized functionality which I need to remember, rather than just using the device with the more simplified functionality as it is designed for, then I'd have opted for something other than the iPhone. :) I want my mute switch to be a simple and quick mute switch. Know what I mean? :) If I'm in a meeting and want to mute my phone, I want to mute my phone; not need to do a bunch of steps that involve me remembering what to turn off where. I just want my phone to be quiet so I can concentrate and contribute and not need to find that oops, I guess that set of sounds was still turned on. Know what I mean? I really want to flip the simple little switch as it was put there for. :) Anyway, as I said, just responding to Shane's excellent question here. :) Thanks for your note and have an awesome rest of your Sunday! Smiles, Cara :)On Oct 6, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :) Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't make that mistake again. :) Just my thoughts. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off? I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off, so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks. I'm kind of used to hearing both the iPhone clicks and the VO sounds as well, so I am more or less trying to play around with the different settings. What do you think of these settings, and how do you prefer to have your phone set? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed
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I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :) Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't make that mistake again. :) Just my thoughts. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off? I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off, so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks. I'm kind of used to hearing both the iPhone clicks and the VO sounds as well, so I am more or less trying to play around with the different settings. What do you think of these settings, and how do you prefer to have your phone set? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com
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I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :) Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't make that mistake again. :) Just my thoughts. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off? I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off, so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks. I'm kind of used to hearing both the iPhone clicks and the VO sounds as well, so I am more or less trying to play around with the different settings. What do you think of these settings, and how do you prefer to have your phone set? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https
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Hi, One can always turn down the volume to zero. If not, one can also 3 fingers double tap to turn speech off. Third option is triple click on home button to turn vo off. Beside, one can also choose to use headphone, in that way, no one else can listen to the anoying voiceover on speaker. Yes, VO is rather anoying, when its on speaker. :) On 07/10/2013, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :) Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't make that mistake again. :) Just my thoughts. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off? I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off, so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks. I'm kind of used to hearing both the iPhone clicks and the VO sounds as well, so I am more or less trying to play around with the different settings. What do you think of these settings, and how do you prefer to have your phone set? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner
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I have missed some phone calls and texts because I'd turned my phone to mute with the switch, but since the clicks and whatnot are still enabled, I don’t' realise my phone's wringing or pinging or whatever until later. Especially if I don't have it on me to notice the vibrations for the alerts. You turn it to mute and can easily forget about it since you can still manage the phone with all the VO sounds enabled. Not exactly helpful. Oh well, just something else to get used to I suppose. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 7:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :) Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't make that mistake again. :) Just my thoughts. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off? I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off, so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks. I'm kind of used to hearing both the iPhone clicks and the VO sounds as well, so I am more or less trying to play around with the different settings. What do you think of these settings, and how do you prefer to have your phone set? Thanks. Sent from my iPhone
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I suppose I don't really understand how VO sounds factor into disruptions during meetings. If you have the mute switch down with VO sounds still on, the ringer volume is of course on vibrate. You will only hear a noise if you flick right or left on the screen with voiceover, unless you turn VO clicks off. What has burned me in the past in meetings is when I've failed to turn the VO volume down on the phone with the physical volume buttonsso even if I'm in vibrate mode, VO might loudly read 10:03, one notification for the entire room to hear, vibrate mode or not. This is why I always turn the vibrate switch on, and I also take the added step of turning VO volume down very low before I go somewhere. But I still don't understand how the VO clicks themselves are inconveniencing people. They are not very loud or noticeable. They are certainly nowhere near as disrupting as a loud Samantha that hasn't been turned down. On 10/6/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :) Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't make that mistake again. :) Just my thoughts. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off? I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off, so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks
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I agree with Christopher and Cara. Mute means mute all sounds. I would rather see sounds be individually muted in the control panel for those who want one set of sounds without any of the other sounds, and the mute switch mutes everything except the VO voice. Something like how airplane mode turns off all of the radios. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Oct 2013, at 15:56, Brice Smith brsmith2...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I don't really understand how VO sounds factor into disruptions during meetings. If you have the mute switch down with VO sounds still on, the ringer volume is of course on vibrate. You will only hear a noise if you flick right or left on the screen with voiceover, unless you turn VO clicks off. What has burned me in the past in meetings is when I've failed to turn the VO volume down on the phone with the physical volume buttonsso even if I'm in vibrate mode, VO might loudly read 10:03, one notification for the entire room to hear, vibrate mode or not. This is why I always turn the vibrate switch on, and I also take the added step of turning VO volume down very low before I go somewhere. But I still don't understand how the VO clicks themselves are inconveniencing people. They are not very loud or noticeable. They are certainly nowhere near as disrupting as a loud Samantha that hasn't been turned down. On 10/6/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts, but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some, but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert. On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote: I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't on before. For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time, ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want total silence, turn the phone off. Brice On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where people actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover sounds. As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll find too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with a 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VO sounds Hi shane, I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply flip the mute switch. For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute switch as well. For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to obey the mute setting
