Re: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack
I found more info: iFixit iPhone 7 Plus teardown reveals waterproofing details, battery size iFixit has posted its complete teardown of the iPhone 7 Plus . As usual, the report confirms some specs and reveals a few new things. The dimensions of the new device are identical to those of the iPhone 6s Plus, although the report confirms that it’s slightly lighter than its predecessor. A1785 is the new model for the iPhone 7 Plus. The report also confirms that the headphone jack removal did indeed make room for the new Taptic engine, as Apple executives revealed last week , and that the second lower speaker grill is entirely cosmetic. The teardown also reveals that Apple is now using less common tri-point screws to secure some components, which iFixit concludes are simply used to hinder third-party battery and screen replacements. The headphone jack has also been replaced by a molded plastic component that appears to channel sound into the microphone, or out from the Taptic Engine. An x-ray of the Taptic Engine revealed a tiny linear actuator, some springs, and a weighted core. The battery in the iPhone 7 Plus is now rated at 3.82V and 11.1 Wh of power, which works out to 2900 mAh of capacity — an upgrade from last year’s 2750 mAh cell, but still a slight step down from the iPhone 6 Plus’ 2915 mAh version. The camera array includes two 12MP cameras, and the teardown confirms that only the wide-angle camera incorporates optical image stabilization. In terms of chip sets, the iPhone 7 Plus includes the expected Apple A10 Fusion CPU with a bump to 3GB of RAM, and a collection of radio and controller chips from Qualcomm, Skyworks, Avago, Universal Scientific, Texas Instruments, Toshiba, Murata, NXP, Cirrus Logic, and more. The teardown also revealed the areas where waterproofing has been applied, including strong adhesive strip sealings, more stickiness in opening the iPhone 7 Plus, the camera lenses being built into the chassis, substantial gasketing on the Lightning cable assembly and around the SIM plug and tray, and ingress protection on the speaker grills. However, the new model still includes a water damage indicator inside. From: Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack Hi Sieghard, I did not research this for myself, but was told on another list where this topic came up for discussion that the Samsung S7 galaxy has the waterproof rating of 68, as opposed to the 67 that the new iPhones have. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Hi Mary, What IPX rating does the Samsung phone have or is it waterproof by virtue of it bursting into flames so that any water may get burned off *smile*. Short of making the iPhone 7/7 Plus swim proof and giving it the same rating as the Apple Watch, IPX7 is as far as I can tell from Googling these standards the best there is, the test requires a device with IPX7 rating to survive being submersed in 3 feet of water for half an hour. This is the same rating and standard Garmin builts into all their handheld outdoor GPS units. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@freelists.org Subject: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack So they have this new taptic engine, and some plastic piece. Now why did they have to take the headphone jack out if Samsung did not in order to make their galaxy even more waterproof them apple's device? That is a reasonable question I think. I am not arguing for the return of the headphone jack. But it would seem that it is not as simple as Apple would have us think. Further, let us hope that this new engine stays around long enough to actually prove useful as opposed to the traditional home button. Rumors are already flying about how even the button that remains this year, which is attached so to speak to the new taptic engine, is going away next year. Mary iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack 9to5Mac / Chance Miller As it does every year, device repair site iFixit is putting all of Apple’s new devices through the teardown process. This year, the site is tearing down the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, and Apple Watch 2. As usual, Apple leaves some details regarding the internals of its new devices a secret, but iFixit is able to figure out some of those secrets with its teardowns… In its iPhone 7 Plus teardown, iFixit notes of the similar teardown process to previous iPhone models. The classic Pentalobe screens are still there, while there are still two now-familiar screws guard each side of the Lightning con
RE: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack
I actually was one of the people who speculated that the 3.5mm headphone jack removal may make it easier to achieve better water resistancy. At least in the keynote Apple certainly did not hint at this, they just think it's time to move on and take audio to the next level and in the long run it is obvious that for Apple this next level is wireless. I am sure, however, that while it maybe possible to waterproof a 3.5mm headphone jack it is easier to achieve the same water resistancy with out another place where water can get in. Anyhow, enough said on this topic, from what I heard so far the removal of the headphone jack has not been hurting preorders and early sales and I highly doubt Apple will bring it back. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack The context in which this whole discussion came up had to do with the much discussed removal of the Jack by Apple, and one of the reasons given for it having been the improvement in waterproof rating. It was pointed out that Samsung achieved an even better rating and still has the Jack. Again, I do not want to reopen that deal. Just pointing out why it was discussed in the first place. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Well, koodos to Samsung if they achieved this. The first number (the 6) refers to particles/dust and 6 is the highest with any device that has it being absolutely dust proof. This means I don't have to worry having my iPhone on my work bench in the woodworking shop and sanding right next to it, just have to wipe it off or, if I had an iPhone 7 which I don't, I could just hold it under the tap for a few seconds *smile*. The second number refers to liquids and 8 is obviously higher than 7, but here is a definition and I would still need to look up what Samsungs said their phone can withstand: IPX-7: Protected against water immersion - Immersion for 30 minutes at a depth of 1 meter. IPX-8: Protected against water submersion - The equipment is suitable for continual submersion in water under conditions which are identified by the manufacturer. This would be like the Apple Watch which Apple said has been tested in a simulator for days on end and also to withstand pressure at depth of up to 50 metres. Those of us who scuba dive know that 50 metres is darn deep (you never go there in recreational diving even with an advanced open water certification, and the pressure at that depth is considerable. But since it means it is up to the manufacturer's test it could simply mean they left the Samsung under 1 meter of water for 45 minutes instead of 30 minutes or whatever. I think in real life the difference might be academic since typically you wouldn't have your phone on you when you swim for an hour or stuff like that and for accidental submersion the IPX-7 rating is very good also. Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack Hi Sieghard, I did not research this for myself, but was told on another list where this topic came up for discussion that the Samsung S7 galaxy has the waterproof rating of 68, as opposed to the 67 that the new iPhones have. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi Mary, What IPX rating does the Samsung phone have or is it waterproof by virtue of it bursting into flames so that any water may get burned off *smile*. Short of making the iPhone 7/7 Plus swim proof and giving it the same rating as the Apple Watch, IPX7 is as far as I can tell from Googling these standards the best there is, the test requires a device with IPX7 rating to survive being submersed in 3 feet of water for half an hour. This is the same rating and standard Garmin builts into all their handheld outdoor GPS units. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; macvisionar...@freelists.org<mailto:macvisionar...@freelists.org> Subject: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack So they have this new taptic engine, and some plastic piece. Now why did they have to take the headphone jack out if Samsung did not in order to make their galaxy even more waterpr
RE: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack
Well, koodos to Samsung if they achieved this. The first number (the 6) refers to particles/dust and 6 is the highest with any device that has it being absolutely dust proof. This means I don't have to worry having my iPhone on my work bench in the woodworking shop and sanding right next to it, just have to wipe it off or, if I had an iPhone 7 which I don't, I could just hold it under the tap for a few seconds *smile*. The second number refers to liquids and 8 is obviously higher than 7, but here is a definition and I would still need to look up what Samsungs said their phone can withstand: IPX-7: Protected against water immersion - Immersion for 30 minutes at a depth of 1 meter. IPX-8: Protected against water submersion - The equipment is suitable for continual submersion in water under conditions which are identified by the manufacturer. This would be like the Apple Watch which Apple said has been tested in a simulator for days on end and also to withstand pressure at depth of up to 50 metres. Those of us who scuba dive know that 50 metres is darn deep (you never go there in recreational diving even with an advanced open water certification, and the pressure at that depth is considerable. But since it means it is up to the manufacturer's test it could simply mean they left the Samsung under 1 meter of water for 45 minutes instead of 30 minutes or whatever. I think in real life the difference might be academic since typically you wouldn't have your phone on you when you swim for an hour or stuff like that and for accidental submersion the IPX-7 rating is very good also. Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack Hi Sieghard, I did not research this for myself, but was told on another list where this topic came up for discussion that the Samsung S7 galaxy has the waterproof rating of 68, as opposed to the 67 that the new iPhones have. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi Mary, What IPX rating does the Samsung phone have or is it waterproof by virtue of it bursting into flames so that any water may get burned off *smile*. Short of making the iPhone 7/7 Plus swim proof and giving it the same rating as the Apple Watch, IPX7 is as far as I can tell from Googling these standards the best there is, the test requires a device with IPX7 rating to survive being submersed in 3 feet of water for half an hour. This is the same rating and standard Garmin builts into all their handheld outdoor GPS units. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; macvisionar...@freelists.org<mailto:macvisionar...@freelists.org> Subject: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack So they have this new taptic engine, and some plastic piece. Now why did they have to take the headphone jack out if Samsung did not in order to make their galaxy even more waterproof them apple's device? That is a reasonable question I think. I am not arguing for the return of the headphone jack. But it would seem that it is not as simple as Apple would have us think. Further, let us hope that this new engine stays around long enough to actually prove useful as opposed to the traditional home button. Rumors are already flying about how even the button that remains this year, which is attached so to speak to the new taptic engine, is going away next year. Mary iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack 9to5Mac / Chance Miller [https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/screen-shot-2016-09-15-at-11-17-25-pm.png?w=1600=1000#038;h=500]<https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exactly-what-replaced-the-iphone-7s-headphone-jack/> As it does every year, device repair site iFixit<http://fixit.com> is putting all of Apple’s new devices through the teardown process. This year, the site is tearing down the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, and Apple Watch 2. As usual, Apple leaves some details regarding the internals of its new devices a secret, but iFixit is able to figure out some of those secrets with its teardowns… In its iPhone 7 Plus teardown<https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+7+Plus+Teardown/67384>, iFixit notes of the similar teardown process to previous iPhone models. The classic Pentalobe screens are still there, while there are still two now-familiar screws guard each side of the Lightning connector. One interesting tidbit is that the iPhone 7 Plus opens to the side when you
Re: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack
Hi Sieghard, I did not research this for myself, but was told on another list where this topic came up for discussion that the Samsung S7 galaxy has the waterproof rating of 68, as opposed to the 67 that the new iPhones have. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Hi Mary, > > What IPX rating does the Samsung phone have or is it waterproof by virtue of > it bursting into flames so that any water may get burned off *smile*. > Short of making the iPhone 7/7 Plus swim proof and giving it the same rating > as the Apple Watch, IPX7 is as far as I can tell from Googling these > standards the best there is, the test requires a device with IPX7 rating to > survive being submersed in 3 feet of water for half an hour. > This is the same rating and standard Garmin builts into all their handheld > outdoor GPS units. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Mary Otten > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:58 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@freelists.org > Subject: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s > headphone jack > > So they have this new taptic engine, and some plastic piece. Now why did they > have to take the headphone jack out if Samsung did not in order to make their > galaxy even more waterproof them apple's device? That is a reasonable > question I think. I am not arguing for the return of the headphone jack. But > it would seem that it is not as simple as Apple would have us think. > Further, let us hope that this new engine stays around long enough to > actually prove useful as opposed to the traditional home button. Rumors are > already flying about how even the button that remains this year, which is > attached so to speak to the new taptic engine, is going away next year. > Mary > iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack > 9to5Mac / Chance Miller > > > > As it does every year, device repair site iFixit is putting all of Apple’s > new devices through the teardown process. This year, the site is tearing down > the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, and Apple Watch 2. As usual, Apple leaves some > details regarding the internals of its new devices a secret, but iFixit is > able to figure out some of those secrets with its teardowns… > > In its iPhone 7 Plus teardown, iFixit notes of the similar teardown process > to previous iPhone models. The classic Pentalobe screens are still there, > while there are still two now-familiar screws guard each side of the > Lightning connector. One interesting tidbit is that the iPhone 7 Plus opens > to the side when you remove the display, as seen below. This change, iFixit > notes, is likely related to the new water resistance feature. > > Regarding the headphone jack removal, the Taptic Engine is taking up the > majority of the space where the connectivity was housed, but interestingly > there’s a simple plastic bumper where the actual cutout used to be. This > suggests that, while the Taptic Engine was part of the reason for Apple to > remove the headphone jack, the ability to make the iPhone water resistant was > likely equally important. > > As far as the battery goes, the iPhone 7 Plus features a slightly larger > battery than its predecessor. The iPhone 6 Plus featured a 2750mAh battery, > while this year’s model features a 2915mAh battery. > > For the Apple Watch, iFixit has just started its teardown so there’s not much > to see yet. iFixit has also not yet started its teardown > > We’ll continue to update this post as the teardown process progresses. In the > meantime, check out a few images from the process below. > > > > > > > Guides > > iPhone 7 > > > Apple's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus were announced on 7th September 2016 > > View THe Guide > > > Original Article: > http://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exactly-what-replaced-the-iphone-7s-headphone-jack > > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subs
RE: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack
Hi Mary, What IPX rating does the Samsung phone have or is it waterproof by virtue of it bursting into flames so that any water may get burned off *smile*. Short of making the iPhone 7/7 Plus swim proof and giving it the same rating as the Apple Watch, IPX7 is as far as I can tell from Googling these standards the best there is, the test requires a device with IPX7 rating to survive being submersed in 3 feet of water for half an hour. This is the same rating and standard Garmin builts into all their handheld outdoor GPS units. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@freelists.org Subject: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack So they have this new taptic engine, and some plastic piece. Now why did they have to take the headphone jack out if Samsung did not in order to make their galaxy even more waterproof them apple's device? That is a reasonable question I think. I am not arguing for the return of the headphone jack. But it would seem that it is not as simple as Apple would have us think. Further, let us hope that this new engine stays around long enough to actually prove useful as opposed to the traditional home button. Rumors are already flying about how even the button that remains this year, which is attached so to speak to the new taptic engine, is going away next year. Mary iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack 9to5Mac / Chance Miller [https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/screen-shot-2016-09-15-at-11-17-25-pm.png?w=1600=1000#038;h=500]<https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exactly-what-replaced-the-iphone-7s-headphone-jack/> As it does every year, device repair site iFixit<http://fixit.com> is putting all of Apple’s new devices through the teardown process. This year, the site is tearing down the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, and Apple Watch 2. As usual, Apple leaves some details regarding the internals of its new devices a secret, but iFixit is able to figure out some of those secrets with its teardowns… In its iPhone 7 Plus teardown<https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+7+Plus+Teardown/67384>, iFixit notes of the similar teardown process to previous iPhone models. The classic Pentalobe screens are still there, while there are still two now-familiar screws guard each side of the Lightning connector. One interesting tidbit is that the iPhone 7 Plus opens to the side when you remove the display, as seen below. This change, iFixit notes, is likely related to the new water resistance feature. Regarding the headphone jack removal, the Taptic Engine is taking up the majority of the space where the connectivity was housed, but interestingly there’s a simple plastic bumper where the actual cutout used to be. This suggests that, while the Taptic Engine was part of the reason for Apple to remove the headphone jack, the ability to make the iPhone water resistant was likely equally important. As far as the battery goes, the iPhone 7 Plus features a slightly larger battery than its predecessor. The iPhone 6 Plus featured a 2750mAh battery, while this year’s model features a 2915mAh battery. For the Apple Watch<https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Apple+Watch+Series+2+Teardown/67385>, iFixit has just started its teardown so there’s not much to see yet. iFixit has also not yet started its teardown We’ll continue to update this post as the teardown process progresses. In the meantime, check out a few images from the process below. [vryxjil2jieqxyrs-huge]<https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exactly-what-replaced-the-iphone-7s-headphone-jack/vryxjil2jieqxyrs-huge/> [wdubbkkolvggdthn-huge]<https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exactly-what-replaced-the-iphone-7s-headphone-jack/wdubbkkolvggdthn-huge/> [1isvnybckpjrwdbq-huge]<https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exactly-what-replaced-the-iphone-7s-headphone-jack/1isvnybckpjrwdbq-huge/> [tdbfdcsl4wt5eqrp-huge]<https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exactly-what-replaced-the-iphone-7s-headphone-jack/tdbfdcsl4wt5eqrp-huge/> [screen-shot-2016-09-15-at-11-17-25-pm]<https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exactly-what-replaced-the-iphone-7s-headphone-jack/screen-shot-2016-09-15-at-11-17-25-pm/> Guides iPhone 7 [iPhone 7]<https://9to5mac.com/guides/iphone-7/> Apple's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus were announced on 7th September 2016 View THe Guide<https://9to5mac.com/guides/iphone-7/> Original Article: http://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exactly-what-replaced-the-iphone-7s-headphone-jack Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any que
iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack
So they have this new taptic engine, and some plastic piece. Now why did they have to take the headphone jack out if Samsung did not in order to make their galaxy even more waterproof them apple's device? That is a reasonable question I think. I am not arguing for the return of the headphone jack. But it would seem that it is not as simple as Apple would have us think. Further, let us hope that this new engine stays around long enough to actually prove useful as opposed to the traditional home button. Rumors are already flying about how even the button that remains this year, which is attached so to speak to the new taptic engine, is going away next year. Mary iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack 9to5Mac / Chance Miller As it does every year, device repair site iFixit is putting all of Apple’s new devices through the teardown process. This year, the site is tearing down the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, and Apple Watch 2. As usual, Apple leaves some details regarding the internals of its new devices a secret, but iFixit is able to figure out some of those secrets with its teardowns… In its iPhone 7 Plus teardown, iFixit notes of the similar teardown process to previous iPhone models. The classic Pentalobe screens are still there, while there are still two now-familiar screws guard each side of the Lightning connector. One interesting tidbit is that the iPhone 7 Plus opens to the side when you remove the display, as seen below. This change, iFixit notes, is likely related to the new water resistance feature. Regarding the headphone jack removal, the Taptic Engine is taking up the majority of the space where the connectivity was housed, but interestingly there’s a simple plastic bumper where the actual cutout used to be. This suggests that, while the Taptic Engine was part of the reason for Apple to remove the headphone jack, the ability to make the iPhone water resistant was likely equally important. As far as the battery goes, the iPhone 7 Plus features a slightly larger battery than its predecessor. The iPhone 6 Plus featured a 2750mAh battery, while this year’s model features a 2915mAh battery. For the Apple Watch, iFixit has just started its teardown so there’s not much to see yet. iFixit has also not yet started its teardown We’ll continue to update this post as the teardown process progresses. In the meantime, check out a few images from the process below. Guides iPhone 7 Apple's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus were announced on 7th September 2016 View THe Guide Original Article: http://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/ifixit-teardown-reveals-exactly-what-replaced-the-iphone-7s-headphone-jack Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
