RE: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
That is strange since I talked to two different att customer service reps and was told by both of them that there would be no restrictions or extra charges using face time over 3g as long as your data plan covered the usage. I called back twice just to make sure I got the same story before preordering the new IPhone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless Grant, I do; however, ATT also plans to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from even using the Face TIme service over 3G. In fact I guess anyone without a shared data plan will be prevented from using Face TIme. Verizon Wireless and Sprint do not plan to do this and I'm hoping ATT will back down as well. As aggravated as I have been of late with some of the nonsense of ATT (yes many carriers engage in the same behavior) it just seems that there has been some things going on that really bother me. I had an ATT customer service employee tell me that APple dictates how soon people can upgrade and when. That is simply false and for anyone at ATT to say this is lying. Apple has nothing to do with the upgrades and would love for you to buy another phone. So, yeah I am a little sensitive about what they are up to. On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Lol. You should definitely take my question with a grain of sault. I'm not an ATT customer, in fact I live in Canada. This was just something I came across on the internet and was curious to find out whether it's true. Cheers, Grant On 9/16/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Grant, I do not know the answer; however, I would be completely irate if I found that they did not throttle LTE customers. In fact I'm going to check into this and ATT had better hope they throttle LTE customers as they would those of us on 3G. If not I suggest all clear the decks. On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I heard that on LTE, ATT doesn't throttle their unlimited customers in the same way. Do you know if that's true or am I mistaken? Cheers, Grant On 9/15/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I upgraded to the 4S last year and still retained my unlimited data plan. However, unlimited is really a joke because the fact is once you exceed 3Gb, ATT throttles your speed to the point that it is completely unreasonable. Although not technically a breech of contract, it does open the doors to arbitration and a good chance you can be freed from the contract. If ATT pulls the crap about not allowing FaceTime over the 3G network unless you have a shared data plan, I will be on the horn to the FCC and raise hell. In fact I'm still surprised they are able to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from having tethering. As I understand Verizon Wireless got pinged for this not long ago. On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Interesting because I was told differently by two other reps. So, I guess we will not know until iOS 6 is out and folks try it. I think that is one way to really answer such questions since the reps are obviously not informed, which for the record may not even be their fault. Lots of info to communicate and not all organizations are always efficient in getting the word to the right people. On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:56 AM, blind Treasures blindtreasu...@comcast.net wrote: That is strange since I talked to two different att customer service reps and was told by both of them that there would be no restrictions or extra charges using face time over 3g as long as your data plan covered the usage. I called back twice just to make sure I got the same story before preordering the new IPhone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless Grant, I do; however, ATT also plans to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from even using the Face TIme service over 3G. In fact I guess anyone without a shared data plan will be prevented from using Face TIme. Verizon Wireless and Sprint do not plan to do this and I'm hoping ATT will back down as well. As aggravated as I have been of late with some of the nonsense of ATT (yes many carriers engage in the same behavior) it just seems that there has been some things going on that really bother me. I had an ATT customer service employee tell me that APple dictates how soon people can upgrade and when. That is simply false and for anyone at ATT to say this is lying. Apple has nothing to do with the upgrades and would love for you to buy another phone. So, yeah I am a little sensitive about what they are up to. On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Lol. You should definitely take my question with a grain of sault. I'm not an ATT customer, in fact I live in Canada. This was just something I came across on the internet and was curious to find out whether it's true. Cheers, Grant On 9/16/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Grant, I do not know the answer; however, I would be completely irate if I found that they did not throttle LTE customers. In fact I'm going to check into this and ATT had better hope they throttle LTE customers as they would those of us on 3G. If not I suggest all clear the decks. On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I heard that on LTE, ATT doesn't throttle their unlimited customers in the same way. Do you know if that's true or am I mistaken? Cheers, Grant On 9/15/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I upgraded to the 4S last year and still retained my unlimited data plan. However, unlimited is really a joke because the fact is once you exceed 3Gb, ATT throttles your speed to the point that it is completely unreasonable. Although not technically a breech of contract, it does open the doors to arbitration and a good chance you can be freed from the contract. If ATT pulls the crap about not allowing FaceTime over the 3G network unless you have a shared data plan, I will be on the horn to the FCC and raise hell. In fact I'm still surprised they are able to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from having tethering. As I understand Verizon Wireless got pinged for this not long ago. On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device
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But thats kinda the point. You need to have a certain type of plan. Chances are, the plan you have is cheaper than the one they would want you to switch to to have facetime over cellular enabled. Many people would consider this a charge. Obviously, ATT does not. haha. But it is in their interest to not tout this as a charge. Shrug. When I have to possibly pay more, for something everyone else in the world is getting for free, its tough not for me to personally consider that as a charge. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 17, 2012, at 10:38 AM, blind Treasures blindtreasu...@comcast.net wrote: You are absolutely right! Who knows until we try it ourselves! Blind Treasures Phone: (804)-726-8900 Sales: sa...@blindtreasures.com Skype: kingmeade Web Page: http://www.blindtreasures.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:23 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless Interesting because I was told differently by two other reps. So, I guess we will not know until iOS 6 is out and folks try it. I think that is one way to really answer such questions since the reps are obviously not informed, which for the record may not even be their fault. Lots of info to communicate and not all organizations are always efficient in getting the word to the right people. On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:56 AM, blind Treasures blindtreasu...@comcast.net wrote: That is strange since I talked to two different att customer service reps and was told by both of them that there would be no restrictions or extra charges using face time over 3g as long as your data plan covered the usage. I called back twice just to make sure I got the same story before preordering the new IPhone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless Grant, I do; however, ATT also plans to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from even using the Face TIme service over 3G. In fact I guess anyone without a shared data plan will be prevented from using Face TIme. Verizon Wireless and Sprint do not plan to do this and I'm hoping ATT will back down as well. As aggravated as I have been of late with some of the nonsense of ATT (yes many carriers engage in the same behavior) it just seems that there has been some things going on that really bother me. I had an ATT customer service employee tell me that APple dictates how soon people can upgrade and when. That is simply false and for anyone at ATT to say this is lying. Apple has nothing to do with the upgrades and would love for you to buy another phone. So, yeah I am a little sensitive about what they are up to. On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Lol. You should definitely take my question with a grain of sault. I'm not an ATT customer, in fact I live in Canada. This was just something I came across on the internet and was curious to find out whether it's true. Cheers, Grant On 9/16/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Grant, I do not know the answer; however, I would be completely irate if I found that they did not throttle LTE customers. In fact I'm going to check into this and ATT had better hope they throttle LTE customers as they would those of us on 3G. If not I suggest all clear the decks. On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I heard that on LTE, ATT doesn't throttle their unlimited customers in the same way. Do you know if that's true or am I mistaken? Cheers, Grant On 9/15/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I upgraded to the 4S last year and still retained my unlimited data plan. However, unlimited is really a joke because the fact is once you exceed 3Gb, ATT throttles your speed to the point that it is completely unreasonable. Although not technically a breech of contract, it does open the doors to arbitration and a good chance you can be freed from the contract. If ATT pulls the crap about not allowing FaceTime over the 3G network unless you have a shared data plan, I will be on the horn to the FCC and raise hell. In fact I'm still surprised they are able to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from having tethering. As I understand Verizon Wireless got pinged for this not long ago. On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Grant, I do not know the answer; however, I would be completely irate if I found that they did not throttle LTE customers. In fact I'm going to check into this and ATT had better hope they throttle LTE customers as they would those of us on 3G. If not I suggest all clear the decks. On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I heard that on LTE, ATT doesn't throttle their unlimited customers in the same way. Do you know if that's true or am I mistaken? Cheers, Grant On 9/15/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I upgraded to the 4S last year and still retained my unlimited data plan. However, unlimited is really a joke because the fact is once you exceed 3Gb, ATT throttles your speed to the point that it is completely unreasonable. Although not technically a breech of contract, it does open the doors to arbitration and a good chance you can be freed from the contract. If ATT pulls the crap about not allowing FaceTime over the 3G network unless you have a shared data plan, I will be on the horn to the FCC and raise hell. In fact I'm still surprised they are able to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from having tethering. As I understand Verizon Wireless got pinged for this not long ago. On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Lol. You should definitely take my question with a grain of sault. I'm not an ATT customer, in fact I live in Canada. This was just something I came across on the internet and was curious to find out whether it's true. Cheers, Grant On 9/16/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Grant, I do not know the answer; however, I would be completely irate if I found that they did not throttle LTE customers. In fact I'm going to check into this and ATT had better hope they throttle LTE customers as they would those of us on 3G. If not I suggest all clear the decks. On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I heard that on LTE, ATT doesn't throttle their unlimited customers in the same way. Do you know if that's true or am I mistaken? Cheers, Grant On 9/15/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I upgraded to the 4S last year and still retained my unlimited data plan. However, unlimited is really a joke because the fact is once you exceed 3Gb, ATT throttles your speed to the point that it is completely unreasonable. Although not technically a breech of contract, it does open the doors to arbitration and a good chance you can be freed from the contract. If ATT pulls the crap about not allowing FaceTime over the 3G network unless you have a shared data plan, I will be on the horn to the FCC and raise hell. In fact I'm still surprised they are able to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from having tethering. As I understand Verizon Wireless got pinged for this not long ago. On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to
RE: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Hi, They're going to, after 5GB/ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless Lol. You should definitely take my question with a grain of sault. I'm not an ATT customer, in fact I live in Canada. This was just something I came across on the internet and was curious to find out whether it's true. Cheers, Grant On 9/16/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Grant, I do not know the answer; however, I would be completely irate if I found that they did not throttle LTE customers. In fact I'm going to check into this and ATT had better hope they throttle LTE customers as they would those of us on 3G. If not I suggest all clear the decks. On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I heard that on LTE, ATT doesn't throttle their unlimited customers in the same way. Do you know if that's true or am I mistaken? Cheers, Grant On 9/15/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I upgraded to the 4S last year and still retained my unlimited data plan. However, unlimited is really a joke because the fact is once you exceed 3Gb, ATT throttles your speed to the point that it is completely unreasonable. Although not technically a breech of contract, it does open the doors to arbitration and a good chance you can be freed from the contract. If ATT pulls the crap about not allowing FaceTime over the 3G network unless you have a shared data plan, I will be on the horn to the FCC and raise hell. In fact I'm still surprised they are able to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from having tethering. As I understand Verizon Wireless got pinged for this not long ago. On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Grant, I do; however, ATT also plans to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from even using the Face TIme service over 3G. In fact I guess anyone without a shared data plan will be prevented from using Face TIme. Verizon Wireless and Sprint do not plan to do this and I'm hoping ATT will back down as well. As aggravated as I have been of late with some of the nonsense of ATT (yes many carriers engage in the same behavior) it just seems that there has been some things going on that really bother me. I had an ATT customer service employee tell me that APple dictates how soon people can upgrade and when. That is simply false and for anyone at ATT to say this is lying. Apple has nothing to do with the upgrades and would love for you to buy another phone. So, yeah I am a little sensitive about what they are up to. On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Lol. You should definitely take my question with a grain of sault. I'm not an ATT customer, in fact I live in Canada. This was just something I came across on the internet and was curious to find out whether it's true. Cheers, Grant On 9/16/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Grant, I do not know the answer; however, I would be completely irate if I found that they did not throttle LTE customers. In fact I'm going to check into this and ATT had better hope they throttle LTE customers as they would those of us on 3G. If not I suggest all clear the decks. On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I heard that on LTE, ATT doesn't throttle their unlimited customers in the same way. Do you know if that's true or am I mistaken? Cheers, Grant On 9/15/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I upgraded to the 4S last year and still retained my unlimited data plan. However, unlimited is really a joke because the fact is once you exceed 3Gb, ATT throttles your speed to the point that it is completely unreasonable. Although not technically a breech of contract, it does open the doors to arbitration and a good chance you can be freed from the contract. If ATT pulls the crap about not allowing FaceTime over the 3G network unless you have a shared data plan, I will be on the horn to the FCC and raise hell. In fact I'm still surprised they are able to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from having tethering. As I understand Verizon Wireless got pinged for this not long ago. On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Grant, at least it is 5 as opposed to 3 with 3G. ALthough this seems unfair since LTE has more to do with speed. Interestingly it should still be the same amount of data since as far as I know you do not pay more for LTE over 3G. THanks, Scott On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I did some Googling and came across another article that states that the throttling on LTE is done at 5 GB. So it seems that they still do throttle - sorry for the confusion. :-( Grant On 9/16/12, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Lol. You should definitely take my question with a grain of sault. I'm not an ATT customer, in fact I live in Canada. This was just something I came across on the internet and was curious to find out whether it's true. Cheers, Grant On 9/16/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Grant, I do not know the answer; however, I would be completely irate if I found that they did not throttle LTE customers. In fact I'm going to check into this and ATT had better hope they throttle LTE customers as they would those of us on 3G. If not I suggest all clear the decks. On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Grant Hardy grantha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, I heard that on LTE, ATT doesn't throttle their unlimited customers in the same way. Do you know if that's true or am I mistaken? Cheers, Grant On 9/15/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I upgraded to the 4S last year and still retained my unlimited data plan. However, unlimited is really a joke because the fact is once you exceed 3Gb, ATT throttles your speed to the point that it is completely unreasonable. Although not technically a breech of contract, it does open the doors to arbitration and a good chance you can be freed from the contract. If ATT pulls the crap about not allowing FaceTime over the 3G network unless you have a shared data plan, I will be on the horn to the FCC and raise hell. In fact I'm still surprised they are able to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from having tethering. As I understand Verizon Wireless got pinged for this not long ago. On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Just be aware that the iPhone 5 uses a Nano SIM and so you can't just simply put your old SIM into it. -- Raul A. Gallegos Happiness is having a large, loving, caring, close-knit family in another city. - George Burns Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/15/2012 2:08 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Mark, I upgraded to the 4S last year and still retained my unlimited data plan. However, unlimited is really a joke because the fact is once you exceed 3Gb, ATT throttles your speed to the point that it is completely unreasonable. Although not technically a breech of contract, it does open the doors to arbitration and a good chance you can be freed from the contract. If ATT pulls the crap about not allowing FaceTime over the 3G network unless you have a shared data plan, I will be on the horn to the FCC and raise hell. In fact I'm still surprised they are able to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from having tethering. As I understand Verizon Wireless got pinged for this not long ago. On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Mark, You can't use the same card i.e. you have to get a sim Nano and ask them to put your number on the new SIM nano card (what is termed a straight sim swap). Regards, Kawal. On 15 Sep 2012, at 07:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
I've not yet learned if it's possible to cut a sim down to the nano size the way you can with a micro. I hope it is or else traveling abroad is going to get a tad more complicated. At 02:41 PM 9/15/2012, you wrote: Mark, You can't use the same card i.e. you have to get a sim Nano and ask them to put your number on the new SIM nano card (what is termed a straight sim swap). Regards, Kawal. On 15 Sep 2012, at 07:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Hi all, I recently pre-ordered. What a frustrating situation. I was forced to click on a link fro an email and then log in to the agreement with one of those type the letters you see hassles. I was on the phone with this person and that person, and in the end , I was told there was nothing they could do. I was told I should get someone to help me. Obviously they knew nothing about accessibility. I eventually had my wife help me later on last night because I don't want to delay getting the Iphone 5. Just my two cents about why I don't want to pre-order again. Andre M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Why I No Longer Preorder iPhone From A T T Wireless
Hi Scott, I heard that on LTE, ATT doesn't throttle their unlimited customers in the same way. Do you know if that's true or am I mistaken? Cheers, Grant On 9/15/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I upgraded to the 4S last year and still retained my unlimited data plan. However, unlimited is really a joke because the fact is once you exceed 3Gb, ATT throttles your speed to the point that it is completely unreasonable. Although not technically a breech of contract, it does open the doors to arbitration and a good chance you can be freed from the contract. If ATT pulls the crap about not allowing FaceTime over the 3G network unless you have a shared data plan, I will be on the horn to the FCC and raise hell. In fact I'm still surprised they are able to prevent those of us with unlimited data plans from having tethering. As I understand Verizon Wireless got pinged for this not long ago. On Sep 15, 2012, at 2:08 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, Once upon a time, I believed in preordering from A T T Wireless. In fact, I preordered my iPhone 4. However, last year, at the release of iPhone 4 S, I began the A T T Wireless online preorder process and, thank God, decided to cancel the order before its completion. I don't remember the particulars but something in the agreement that one needed to confirm by placing a checkmark in a box, didn't sound quite right. As it turned out, my refusal to agree to their terms during the online preorder process was a wise decision. Like many of us who continue to enjoy the unlimited data plan that A T T Wireless no longer offers, agreeing to last year's online iPhone 4 S preorder terms automatically updated the data plan to one that did not include unlimited data. Now I cannot speak to preordering from Apple as I have never done so but I can tell you that A T T Wireless would love to remove all of those remaining on the unlimited data plan and will do darn near anything to accomplish this including lacing there agreement with so much legalese that one will simply agree without reading it. In short, when I purchase my iPhone 5, just like last year, I will go into an A T T Wireless corporate store, remove my own SIM card from my current device, and place it in the new device to insure that nothing funky happens with my data plan. Good Luck To All, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
