Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and Notifications

[Vicki]

Oh, okay. Thank you.


- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and 
Notifications



You can only do an encrypted backup in iTunes and it backs up things like 
WiFi and app passwords and so on. At this point I think an iCloud backup is 
almost as good as an encrypted backup, but there might still be a few things 
the encrypted backup includes, not sure.
Anyhow, in iTunes you just connect your phone, go to the phone area and in 
the summary tab which is selected bvy default tab until you find a checkbox 
that says "encrypt backup". You press the spacebar to check it and at the 
point you are asked to enter a password, then tab once and re-enter it and 
then press OK. The backup will start and it is encrypted from now on.
What confused me in the beginning is that I thought you always had to turn 
on encrypted backup each time you do a backup, but once turned on and the 
password is set you can just choose File > Devices > Backup and the backup 
will be encrypted. Keep in mind though that you might go for years doing 
this without having to restore and then if you do want to use that backup 
for a restore it will ask you for the password you used when you first 
turned it on and if you don't know it then your backup is useless.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Vicki

Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and 
Notifications


Backups have always confused me. If I do an ICloud backup on my phone or 
mini IPAD, it does not give me the options to encrypt. Do I need to do it on 
my computer and if so, how do I do it?


Vicki

- Original Message -
From: "Woody Anna Dresner" <wadres...@att.net>
To: "VIPhone Mailing List" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and 
Notifications



Hi,

Encrypted backups save your HealthKit and password data, while unencrypted 
ones don't. iCloud backups also save this data, which they didn't used to 
do, so so they are now equivalent. However, either an iCloud or encrypted 
backup is better than an unencrypted backup.


Best,
Anna




On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote:

Also, Johnathan Mosen in his ios 11 book says that nowadays there is
little advantage in iTunes encrypted backups compared with iCloud
backups so long as you use Keychain. Is this correct?
Harry


On 20 Sep 2017, at 15:28, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi Seighard,

Why is the encrypted part of your advice to make an encrypted backup
important?  I have made backups before this using iTunes, but I've
never seen how to be sure they are encrypted, and don't know why
(other than
security) this may be important?

Thanks,

Chip



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications

Hi Jed and Billy,

I highly recommend you go to www.applevis.com, find the iOS 11
article (I just thought I try Jaws Find and searched for iOS 11 and
this put me right on it) and read that article.
After I did this I decided to upgrade since there are some braille
related bugs which don't concern me since I use neither braille input
nor do I have a braille display. There are also a few things which
mention Voiceover together with Zoom and this is also not a concern
for me. The rest I think I can live with until Apple fixes it.
I did my usual preparation:
1. Check to see if there are any updates, there were two and one
mentioned iOS 11 compatibility so it's always a good idea to make
sure all your apps are up to date especially before a major update.
2. Connect to my laptop, open iTunes and do a sync and then an
encrypted backup.
3. I then went to Settings > General > Reset and tapped Reset Network
Settings. After the phone rebooted I renamed it again to what I
wanted and reconnected to my WiFi.

I now tried to update via iTunes, but everyt time I clicked "Check
for Updates", iTunes said it could not contact the update server and
all I could do is press OK.
I then went to Settings > General > Software Update on my iPhone. The
iOS
11 update was there instantly. I have a 6S Plus and it said the
update was 2.04 Gb and I tapped on Download and Install.
After agreeing to the license terms it sat there for a few seconds
saying requesting update, then it started the download maybe 20
seconds before the clock on my PC jumped to 12:45 PM.
I guess it's nice to have a fibre co

RE: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and Notifications

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can only do an encrypted backup in iTunes and it backs up things like WiFi 
and app passwords and so on. At this point I think an iCloud backup is almost 
as good as an encrypted backup, but there might still be a few things the 
encrypted backup includes, not sure.
Anyhow, in iTunes you just connect your phone, go to the phone area and in the 
summary tab which is selected bvy default tab until you find a checkbox that 
says "encrypt backup". You press the spacebar to check it and at the point you 
are asked to enter a password, then tab once and re-enter it and then press OK. 
The backup will start and it is encrypted from now on.
What confused me in the beginning is that I thought you always had to turn on 
encrypted backup each time you do a backup, but once turned on and the password 
is set you can just choose File > Devices > Backup and the backup will be 
encrypted. Keep in mind though that you might go for years doing this without 
having to restore and then if you do want to use that backup for a restore it 
will ask you for the password you used when you first turned it on and if you 
don't know it then your backup is useless.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Vicki
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and 
Notifications

Backups have always confused me. If I do an ICloud backup on my phone or mini 
IPAD, it does not give me the options to encrypt. Do I need to do it on my 
computer and if so, how do I do it?

Vicki

- Original Message -
From: "Woody Anna Dresner" <wadres...@att.net>
To: "VIPhone Mailing List" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and 
Notifications


Hi,

Encrypted backups save your HealthKit and password data, while unencrypted ones 
don't. iCloud backups also save this data, which they didn't used to do, so so 
they are now equivalent. However, either an iCloud or encrypted backup is 
better than an unencrypted backup.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> Also, Johnathan Mosen in his ios 11 book says that nowadays there is 
> little advantage in iTunes encrypted backups compared with iCloud 
> backups so long as you use Keychain. Is this correct?
> Harry
>
>> On 20 Sep 2017, at 15:28, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Seighard,
>>
>> Why is the encrypted part of your advice to make an encrypted backup 
>> important?  I have made backups before this using iTunes, but I've 
>> never seen how to be sure they are encrypted, and don't know why 
>> (other than
>> security) this may be important?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications
>>
>> Hi Jed and Billy,
>>
>> I highly recommend you go to www.applevis.com, find the iOS 11 
>> article (I just thought I try Jaws Find and searched for iOS 11 and 
>> this put me right on it) and read that article.
>> After I did this I decided to upgrade since there are some braille 
>> related bugs which don't concern me since I use neither braille input 
>> nor do I have a braille display. There are also a few things which 
>> mention Voiceover together with Zoom and this is also not a concern 
>> for me. The rest I think I can live with until Apple fixes it.
>> I did my usual preparation:
>> 1. Check to see if there are any updates, there were two and one 
>> mentioned iOS 11 compatibility so it's always a good idea to make 
>> sure all your apps are up to date especially before a major update.
>> 2. Connect to my laptop, open iTunes and do a sync and then an 
>> encrypted backup.
>> 3. I then went to Settings > General > Reset and tapped Reset Network 
>> Settings. After the phone rebooted I renamed it again to what I 
>> wanted and reconnected to my WiFi.
>>
>> I now tried to update via iTunes, but everyt time I clicked "Check 
>> for Updates", iTunes said it could not contact the update server and 
>> all I could do is press OK.
>> I then went to Settings > General > Software Update on my iPhone. The 
>> iOS
>> 11 update was there instantly. I have a 6S Plus and it said the 
>> update was 2.04 Gb and I tapped on Download and Install.
>> After ag

Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and Notifications

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hello Keith,

It used to be true, but with its latest update, iTunes has stopped having an 
app store, and even when you restore from an iTunes backup, the apps are 
downloaded from the Internet rather than loaded from your computer. As a 
result, restoring from a backup isn't likely to be much faster than restoring 
from iCloud.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:47 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
> <kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu> wrote:
> 
> Also, is it true that a restore from an iTunes backup is much faster and 
> easier than from an iCloud backup? This is a question, not a statement  But 
> this has been my understanding, if someone can please confirm, I would 
> appreciate hearing if it's true. Keith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:58 AM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and 
> Notifications
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Encrypted backups save your HealthKit and password data, while unencrypted 
> ones don't. iCloud backups also save this data, which they didn't used to do, 
> so so they are now equivalent. However, either an iCloud or encrypted backup 
> is better than an unencrypted backup.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Also, Johnathan Mosen in his ios 11 book says that nowadays there is little 
>> advantage in iTunes encrypted backups compared with iCloud backups so long 
>> as you use Keychain. Is this correct?
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 20 Sep 2017, at 15:28, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Seighard,
>>> 
>>> Why is the encrypted part of your advice to make an encrypted backup 
>>> important?  I have made backups before this using iTunes, but I've never 
>>> seen how to be sure they are encrypted, and don't know why (other than 
>>> security) this may be important?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Chip
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:14 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications
>>> 
>>> Hi Jed and Billy,
>>> 
>>> I highly recommend you go to www.applevis.com, find the iOS 11 article (I 
>>> just thought I try Jaws Find and searched for iOS 11 and this put me right 
>>> on it) and read that article.
>>> After I did this I decided to upgrade since there are some braille related 
>>> bugs which don't concern me since I use neither braille input nor do I have 
>>> a braille display. There are also a few things which mention Voiceover 
>>> together with Zoom and this is also not a concern for me. The rest I think 
>>> I can live with until Apple fixes it.
>>> I did my usual preparation:
>>> 1. Check to see if there are any updates, there were two and one mentioned 
>>> iOS 11 compatibility so it's always a good idea to make sure all your apps 
>>> are up to date especially before a major update.
>>> 2. Connect to my laptop, open iTunes and do a sync and then an encrypted 
>>> backup.
>>> 3. I then went to Settings > General > Reset and tapped Reset Network 
>>> Settings. After the phone rebooted I renamed it again to what I wanted and 
>>> reconnected to my WiFi.
>>> 
>>> I now tried to update via iTunes, but everyt time I clicked "Check for 
>>> Updates", iTunes said it could not contact the update server and all I 
>>> could do is press OK.
>>> I then went to Settings > General > Software Update on my iPhone. The iOS 
>>> 11 update was there instantly. I have a 6S Plus and it said the update was 
>>> 2.04 Gb and I tapped on Download and Install.
>>> After agreeing to the license terms it sat there for a few seconds saying 
>>> requesting update, then it started the download maybe 20 seconds before the 
>>> clock on my PC jumped to 12:45 PM.
>>> I guess it's nice to have a fibre connection with 125 Mb download as the 
>>> actual download was done in just over 3 minutes at 12:47.
>>> The phone then restarted and just a few minutes ago, at 1:02 PM, Voiceover 
>>> came up and asked for my PIN, after I entered it I was asked to also enter 
>>> my Apple Id password and after 

RE: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and Notifications

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Also, is it true that a restore from an iTunes backup is much faster and easier 
than from an iCloud backup? This is a question, not a statement  But this has 
been my understanding, if someone can please confirm, I would appreciate 
hearing if it's true. Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:58 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and 
Notifications

Hi,

Encrypted backups save your HealthKit and password data, while unencrypted ones 
don't. iCloud backups also save this data, which they didn't used to do, so so 
they are now equivalent. However, either an iCloud or encrypted backup is 
better than an unencrypted backup.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Also, Johnathan Mosen in his ios 11 book says that nowadays there is little 
> advantage in iTunes encrypted backups compared with iCloud backups so long as 
> you use Keychain. Is this correct?
> Harry
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2017, at 15:28, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Seighard,
>> 
>> Why is the encrypted part of your advice to make an encrypted backup 
>> important?  I have made backups before this using iTunes, but I've never 
>> seen how to be sure they are encrypted, and don't know why (other than 
>> security) this may be important?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications
>> 
>> Hi Jed and Billy,
>> 
>> I highly recommend you go to www.applevis.com, find the iOS 11 article (I 
>> just thought I try Jaws Find and searched for iOS 11 and this put me right 
>> on it) and read that article.
>> After I did this I decided to upgrade since there are some braille related 
>> bugs which don't concern me since I use neither braille input nor do I have 
>> a braille display. There are also a few things which mention Voiceover 
>> together with Zoom and this is also not a concern for me. The rest I think I 
>> can live with until Apple fixes it.
>> I did my usual preparation:
>> 1. Check to see if there are any updates, there were two and one mentioned 
>> iOS 11 compatibility so it's always a good idea to make sure all your apps 
>> are up to date especially before a major update.
>> 2. Connect to my laptop, open iTunes and do a sync and then an encrypted 
>> backup.
>> 3. I then went to Settings > General > Reset and tapped Reset Network 
>> Settings. After the phone rebooted I renamed it again to what I wanted and 
>> reconnected to my WiFi.
>> 
>> I now tried to update via iTunes, but everyt time I clicked "Check for 
>> Updates", iTunes said it could not contact the update server and all I could 
>> do is press OK.
>> I then went to Settings > General > Software Update on my iPhone. The iOS 11 
>> update was there instantly. I have a 6S Plus and it said the update was 2.04 
>> Gb and I tapped on Download and Install.
>> After agreeing to the license terms it sat there for a few seconds saying 
>> requesting update, then it started the download maybe 20 seconds before the 
>> clock on my PC jumped to 12:45 PM.
>> I guess it's nice to have a fibre connection with 125 Mb download as the 
>> actual download was done in just over 3 minutes at 12:47.
>> The phone then restarted and just a few minutes ago, at 1:02 PM, Voiceover 
>> came up and asked for my PIN, after I entered it I was asked to also enter 
>> my Apple Id password and after a few seconds of showing the message 
>> "Updating iCloud Settings" I had the message that the update was successful 
>> and was at the "Get Started" button.
>> From start to finish it was basically 18 minutes and a bit over 3 of those 
>> were for the download, about 14 for the install, very smooth despite the 
>> fact that probably a lot of people are updating now.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Billy Maynard
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS11 and Notifications
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> I'll just point you all to what seghard (sorry about sp

Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and Notifications

[Vicki]

Backups have always confused me. If I do an ICloud backup on my phone or 
mini IPAD, it does not give me the options to encrypt. Do I need to do it on 
my computer and if so, how do I do it?


Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Woody Anna Dresner" <wadres...@att.net>

To: "VIPhone Mailing List" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and 
Notifications



Hi,

Encrypted backups save your HealthKit and password data, while unencrypted 
ones don't. iCloud backups also save this data, which they didn't used to 
do, so so they are now equivalent. However, either an iCloud or encrypted 
backup is better than an unencrypted backup.


Best,
Anna




On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote:

Also, Johnathan Mosen in his ios 11 book says that nowadays there is 
little advantage in iTunes encrypted backups compared with iCloud backups 
so long as you use Keychain. Is this correct?

Harry


On 20 Sep 2017, at 15:28, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi Seighard,

Why is the encrypted part of your advice to make an encrypted backup 
important?  I have made backups before this using iTunes, but I've never 
seen how to be sure they are encrypted, and don't know why (other than 
security) this may be important?


Thanks,

Chip



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications

Hi Jed and Billy,

I highly recommend you go to www.applevis.com, find the iOS 11 article (I 
just thought I try Jaws Find and searched for iOS 11 and this put me 
right on it) and read that article.
After I did this I decided to upgrade since there are some braille 
related bugs which don't concern me since I use neither braille input nor 
do I have a braille display. There are also a few things which mention 
Voiceover together with Zoom and this is also not a concern for me. The 
rest I think I can live with until Apple fixes it.

I did my usual preparation:
1. Check to see if there are any updates, there were two and one 
mentioned iOS 11 compatibility so it's always a good idea to make sure 
all your apps are up to date especially before a major update.
2. Connect to my laptop, open iTunes and do a sync and then an encrypted 
backup.
3. I then went to Settings > General > Reset and tapped Reset Network 
Settings. After the phone rebooted I renamed it again to what I wanted 
and reconnected to my WiFi.


I now tried to update via iTunes, but everyt time I clicked "Check for 
Updates", iTunes said it could not contact the update server and all I 
could do is press OK.
I then went to Settings > General > Software Update on my iPhone. The iOS 
11 update was there instantly. I have a 6S Plus and it said the update 
was 2.04 Gb and I tapped on Download and Install.
After agreeing to the license terms it sat there for a few seconds saying 
requesting update, then it started the download maybe 20 seconds before 
the clock on my PC jumped to 12:45 PM.
I guess it's nice to have a fibre connection with 125 Mb download as the 
actual download was done in just over 3 minutes at 12:47.
The phone then restarted and just a few minutes ago, at 1:02 PM, 
Voiceover came up and asked for my PIN, after I entered it I was asked to 
also enter my Apple Id password and after a few seconds of showing the 
message "Updating iCloud Settings" I had the message that the update was 
successful and was at the "Get Started" button.
From start to finish it was basically 18 minutes and a bit over 3 of 
those were for the download, about 14 for the install, very smooth 
despite the fact that probably a lot of people are updating now.


Regards,
Sieghard
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Billy Maynard

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS11 and Notifications

hi,

I'll just point you all to what seghard (sorry about spelling) said about 
ios 11.  update at your own risk and I'm sure the update servers are 
overloaded currently if you can not update.  Just some caushionary words 
I remember and plan to pay attention too as he is onthe bata testing 
people.


Billy Maynard
- Original Message -
From: "Jed Barton" <j...@jedbarton.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: iOS11 and Notifications


Hey guys.  I have not been able to download IOS 11.  My phone keeps
telling me my software is up to date.
Any ideas?


On 9/19/17, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a known heavy bug.


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Carla
Sent: Tuesday, 

Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and Notifications

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Encrypted backups save your HealthKit and password data, while unencrypted ones 
don't. iCloud backups also save this data, which they didn't used to do, so so 
they are now equivalent. However, either an iCloud or encrypted backup is 
better than an unencrypted backup.

Best,
Anna



> On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Also, Johnathan Mosen in his ios 11 book says that nowadays there is little 
> advantage in iTunes encrypted backups compared with iCloud backups so long as 
> you use Keychain. Is this correct?
> Harry
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2017, at 15:28, Chip Orange  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Seighard,
>> 
>> Why is the encrypted part of your advice to make an encrypted backup 
>> important?  I have made backups before this using iTunes, but I've never 
>> seen how to be sure they are encrypted, and don't know why (other than 
>> security) this may be important?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications
>> 
>> Hi Jed and Billy,
>> 
>> I highly recommend you go to www.applevis.com, find the iOS 11 article (I 
>> just thought I try Jaws Find and searched for iOS 11 and this put me right 
>> on it) and read that article.
>> After I did this I decided to upgrade since there are some braille related 
>> bugs which don't concern me since I use neither braille input nor do I have 
>> a braille display. There are also a few things which mention Voiceover 
>> together with Zoom and this is also not a concern for me. The rest I think I 
>> can live with until Apple fixes it.
>> I did my usual preparation:
>> 1. Check to see if there are any updates, there were two and one mentioned 
>> iOS 11 compatibility so it's always a good idea to make sure all your apps 
>> are up to date especially before a major update.
>> 2. Connect to my laptop, open iTunes and do a sync and then an encrypted 
>> backup.
>> 3. I then went to Settings > General > Reset and tapped Reset Network 
>> Settings. After the phone rebooted I renamed it again to what I wanted and 
>> reconnected to my WiFi.
>> 
>> I now tried to update via iTunes, but everyt time I clicked "Check for 
>> Updates", iTunes said it could not contact the update server and all I could 
>> do is press OK.
>> I then went to Settings > General > Software Update on my iPhone. The iOS 11 
>> update was there instantly. I have a 6S Plus and it said the update was 2.04 
>> Gb and I tapped on Download and Install.
>> After agreeing to the license terms it sat there for a few seconds saying 
>> requesting update, then it started the download maybe 20 seconds before the 
>> clock on my PC jumped to 12:45 PM.
>> I guess it's nice to have a fibre connection with 125 Mb download as the 
>> actual download was done in just over 3 minutes at 12:47.
>> The phone then restarted and just a few minutes ago, at 1:02 PM, Voiceover 
>> came up and asked for my PIN, after I entered it I was asked to also enter 
>> my Apple Id password and after a few seconds of showing the message 
>> "Updating iCloud Settings" I had the message that the update was successful 
>> and was at the "Get Started" button.
>> From start to finish it was basically 18 minutes and a bit over 3 of those 
>> were for the download, about 14 for the install, very smooth despite the 
>> fact that probably a lot of people are updating now.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Billy Maynard
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS11 and Notifications
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> I'll just point you all to what seghard (sorry about spelling) said about 
>> ios 11.  update at your own risk and I'm sure the update servers are 
>> overloaded currently if you can not update.  Just some caushionary words I 
>> remember and plan to pay attention too as he is onthe bata testing people.
>> 
>> Billy Maynard
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: iOS11 and Notifications
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys.  I have not been able to download IOS 11.  My phone keeps
>> telling me my software is up to date.
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>>> On 9/19/17, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>>> This is a known heavy bug.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>>> From: Carla
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:41 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications
>>> 
>>> Yes I'm just getting the notifications sound but no speech.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Re: Why is an encrypted backup important?; was RE: iOS11 and Notifications

[Harry Bell]

Also, Johnathan Mosen in his ios 11 book says that nowadays there is little 
advantage in iTunes encrypted backups compared with iCloud backups so long as 
you use Keychain. Is this correct?
Harry

> On 20 Sep 2017, at 15:28, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> Hi Seighard,
> 
> Why is the encrypted part of your advice to make an encrypted backup 
> important?  I have made backups before this using iTunes, but I've never seen 
> how to be sure they are encrypted, and don't know why (other than security) 
> this may be important?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications
> 
> Hi Jed and Billy,
> 
> I highly recommend you go to www.applevis.com, find the iOS 11 article (I 
> just thought I try Jaws Find and searched for iOS 11 and this put me right on 
> it) and read that article.
> After I did this I decided to upgrade since there are some braille related 
> bugs which don't concern me since I use neither braille input nor do I have a 
> braille display. There are also a few things which mention Voiceover together 
> with Zoom and this is also not a concern for me. The rest I think I can live 
> with until Apple fixes it.
> I did my usual preparation:
> 1. Check to see if there are any updates, there were two and one mentioned 
> iOS 11 compatibility so it's always a good idea to make sure all your apps 
> are up to date especially before a major update.
> 2. Connect to my laptop, open iTunes and do a sync and then an encrypted 
> backup.
> 3. I then went to Settings > General > Reset and tapped Reset Network 
> Settings. After the phone rebooted I renamed it again to what I wanted and 
> reconnected to my WiFi.
> 
> I now tried to update via iTunes, but everyt time I clicked "Check for 
> Updates", iTunes said it could not contact the update server and all I could 
> do is press OK.
> I then went to Settings > General > Software Update on my iPhone. The iOS 11 
> update was there instantly. I have a 6S Plus and it said the update was 2.04 
> Gb and I tapped on Download and Install.
> After agreeing to the license terms it sat there for a few seconds saying 
> requesting update, then it started the download maybe 20 seconds before the 
> clock on my PC jumped to 12:45 PM.
> I guess it's nice to have a fibre connection with 125 Mb download as the 
> actual download was done in just over 3 minutes at 12:47.
> The phone then restarted and just a few minutes ago, at 1:02 PM, Voiceover 
> came up and asked for my PIN, after I entered it I was asked to also enter my 
> Apple Id password and after a few seconds of showing the message "Updating 
> iCloud Settings" I had the message that the update was successful and was at 
> the "Get Started" button.
> From start to finish it was basically 18 minutes and a bit over 3 of those 
> were for the download, about 14 for the install, very smooth despite the fact 
> that probably a lot of people are updating now.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Billy Maynard
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS11 and Notifications
> 
> hi,
> 
> I'll just point you all to what seghard (sorry about spelling) said about ios 
> 11.  update at your own risk and I'm sure the update servers are overloaded 
> currently if you can not update.  Just some caushionary words I remember and 
> plan to pay attention too as he is onthe bata testing people.
> 
> Billy Maynard
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: iOS11 and Notifications
> 
> 
> Hey guys.  I have not been able to download IOS 11.  My phone keeps
> telling me my software is up to date.
> Any ideas?
> 
>> On 9/19/17, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>> This is a known heavy bug.
>> 
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> From: Carla
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: iOS11 and Notifications
>> 
>> Yes I'm just getting the notifications sound but no speech.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Brian Hansen
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:40 AM
>> To: VIPhones 
>> Subject: iOS11 and Notifications
>> Importance: High
>> 
>> I was just wondering if anyone else is having problems with the 
>> announcement
>> 
>> of their incoming notifications. Since upgrading to iOS 11, any time a
>> notification comes in, VO just announces the time instead of reading the
>> notification. Other than my notification dilemma, I’m really impressed 
>>