Re: Questions about Using a Braille display with an I-Device
Hi Wayne. It is really nice with the automatic going to the next page, but have you noticed that you can not see anymore how many pages you have left in a chapter? I am sad this function seems to have gone. Best regards Annie. Den 10/10/2014 kl. 15.39 skrev Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com: One really neat feature in iOS 8 with a Braille display is the ability to have pages turned automatically. I use this in iBooks and it is quite nice. I don't have to turn the page, then hunt for the start of the next page's content. Now, when I get to the bottom of the current page, a message pops up on screen saying what page number I am going to, and then the text starts immediately when that message goes away. I haven't had too many issues when inputting Braille in iOS 8, but then again, I also haven't gone to great lengths to input Braille given the sluggishness. As said before, hopefully these issues will be resolved soon. Wayne On 10/10/14, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote: There is a serious delay when inputting braille on iOS 8. But reading braille is just fine. Hopefully the input problem will be resolved in iOS 8.1, but who knows. The new Vario Ultra braille displays from Baum are very nice. You have a choice of 20 or 40 cells. They have I think 32 GB of internal storage and you can flip between display mode and note taking mode by sliding a switch. So you can use the internal notes or use it as a display for your phone. If you have more than one bluetooth device it is a great choice because you can pair it with 4 different devices and switch devices on the fly with a keystroke. I work at an agency for the blind and just saw one about a month ago. I'd recommend checking them out. As I recall, the 20 cell is $2.395 and the 40 is $3.395. Check them out here, http://www.baumusa.com/braille-solutions/varioultra.html HTH, Richard PS, no I do not get a commission, I'm just really impressed. I use a Braille Edge at work, which is also very nice. The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd. - Bertrand Russell *Sent from my iPhone 5S On Oct 10, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Kerri Kosten kerrik2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I am considering purchasing a braille display and pairing it with my Iphone and using this as a notetaker. Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 that I haven't used in like two years. Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as say the Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a braille display and just paring it with my Iphone. Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you? Is it a viable option? How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class or meeting? Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes on them internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for taking notes? Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, another thing I really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, BARD, or I-Books with a braille display. Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a braille display and an Iphone? Thanks, Kerri -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Questions about Using a Braille display with an I-Device
Hi, I often use my braille display to take notes in meetings at Work. It works quite well, as long as your not too worried about formatting. If you haven't typed anything in a while, just type a space and delete it, to prevent your display from going to sleep. Your braille display will go to sleep after 10 minutes of inactivity. I use notes on the iPhone when taking notes in meetings, because if you sync your iPhone with itunes, your notes will appear in outlook. You can then copy the note to notepad or word and format it then save it to your computer. I have read braille books from BookShare and books from iBooks with my display, both work quite well. The only thing to keep in mind is that iOS8 has issues with bluetooth devices. I haven't yet used my display with iOS8, so hopefully someone who has will chime in here to let us know how braille displays perform under iOS8. Hope this helps, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 10 Oct 2014, at 6:48 pm, Kerri Kosten kerrik2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I am considering purchasing a braille display and pairing it with my Iphone and using this as a notetaker. Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 that I haven't used in like two years. Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as say the Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a braille display and just paring it with my Iphone. Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you? Is it a viable option? How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class or meeting? Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes on them internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for taking notes? Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, another thing I really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, BARD, or I-Books with a braille display. Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a braille display and an Iphone? Thanks, Kerri -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Questions about Using a Braille display with an I-Device
Hi all. I like using my phone for taking notes together with a braille display. It depends on how you have set up your braille display if it will go to sleep. It also depends on how many cells a display needs to have. I tend to recommend a 32 cells display from human ware (Brailliant 32 bi) this display has in my opinion only one drawback, it can sometimes lose the connection to the phone while typing, this is a problem, but one of the only problems that I have. Braille edge, u2 and focus are better at staying connected, but in my opinion both braille edge and focus are to long, and focus has also a problem when you wants to go to the next display line. I guess you are from the u.s. and there are some other displays available. In IOS 8 it works really well to read books from ibooks with the braille display. I guess it also still works fine from bookshare, if read2go does not work anymore voicedream do, and voicedream is really great with a braille display. Best regards Annie. Den 10/10/2014 kl. 12.13 skrev Brett brettst...@gmail.com: Hi, I often use my braille display to take notes in meetings at Work. It works quite well, as long as your not too worried about formatting. If you haven't typed anything in a while, just type a space and delete it, to prevent your display from going to sleep. Your braille display will go to sleep after 10 minutes of inactivity. I use notes on the iPhone when taking notes in meetings, because if you sync your iPhone with itunes, your notes will appear in outlook. You can then copy the note to notepad or word and format it then save it to your computer. I have read braille books from BookShare and books from iBooks with my display, both work quite well. The only thing to keep in mind is that iOS8 has issues with bluetooth devices. I haven't yet used my display with iOS8, so hopefully someone who has will chime in here to let us know how braille displays perform under iOS8. Hope this helps, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 10 Oct 2014, at 6:48 pm, Kerri Kosten kerrik2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I am considering purchasing a braille display and pairing it with my Iphone and using this as a notetaker. Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 that I haven't used in like two years. Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as say the Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a braille display and just paring it with my Iphone. Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you? Is it a viable option? How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class or meeting? Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes on them internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for taking notes? Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, another thing I really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, BARD, or I-Books with a braille display. Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a braille display and an Iphone? Thanks, Kerri -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this
Re: Questions about Using a Braille display with an I-Device
There is a serious delay when inputting braille on iOS 8. But reading braille is just fine. Hopefully the input problem will be resolved in iOS 8.1, but who knows. The new Vario Ultra braille displays from Baum are very nice. You have a choice of 20 or 40 cells. They have I think 32 GB of internal storage and you can flip between display mode and note taking mode by sliding a switch. So you can use the internal notes or use it as a display for your phone. If you have more than one bluetooth device it is a great choice because you can pair it with 4 different devices and switch devices on the fly with a keystroke. I work at an agency for the blind and just saw one about a month ago. I'd recommend checking them out. As I recall, the 20 cell is $2.395 and the 40 is $3.395. Check them out here, http://www.baumusa.com/braille-solutions/varioultra.html HTH, Richard PS, no I do not get a commission, I'm just really impressed. I use a Braille Edge at work, which is also very nice. The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd. - Bertrand Russell *Sent from my iPhone 5S On Oct 10, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Kerri Kosten kerrik2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I am considering purchasing a braille display and pairing it with my Iphone and using this as a notetaker. Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 that I haven't used in like two years. Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as say the Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a braille display and just paring it with my Iphone. Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you? Is it a viable option? How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class or meeting? Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes on them internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for taking notes? Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, another thing I really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, BARD, or I-Books with a braille display. Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a braille display and an Iphone? Thanks, Kerri -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Questions about Using a Braille display with an I-Device
One really neat feature in iOS 8 with a Braille display is the ability to have pages turned automatically. I use this in iBooks and it is quite nice. I don't have to turn the page, then hunt for the start of the next page's content. Now, when I get to the bottom of the current page, a message pops up on screen saying what page number I am going to, and then the text starts immediately when that message goes away. I haven't had too many issues when inputting Braille in iOS 8, but then again, I also haven't gone to great lengths to input Braille given the sluggishness. As said before, hopefully these issues will be resolved soon. Wayne On 10/10/14, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote: There is a serious delay when inputting braille on iOS 8. But reading braille is just fine. Hopefully the input problem will be resolved in iOS 8.1, but who knows. The new Vario Ultra braille displays from Baum are very nice. You have a choice of 20 or 40 cells. They have I think 32 GB of internal storage and you can flip between display mode and note taking mode by sliding a switch. So you can use the internal notes or use it as a display for your phone. If you have more than one bluetooth device it is a great choice because you can pair it with 4 different devices and switch devices on the fly with a keystroke. I work at an agency for the blind and just saw one about a month ago. I'd recommend checking them out. As I recall, the 20 cell is $2.395 and the 40 is $3.395. Check them out here, http://www.baumusa.com/braille-solutions/varioultra.html HTH, Richard PS, no I do not get a commission, I'm just really impressed. I use a Braille Edge at work, which is also very nice. The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd. - Bertrand Russell *Sent from my iPhone 5S On Oct 10, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Kerri Kosten kerrik2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I am considering purchasing a braille display and pairing it with my Iphone and using this as a notetaker. Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 that I haven't used in like two years. Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as say the Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a braille display and just paring it with my Iphone. Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you? Is it a viable option? How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class or meeting? Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes on them internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for taking notes? Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, another thing I really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, BARD, or I-Books with a braille display. Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a braille display and an Iphone? Thanks, Kerri -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Follow me on Twitter at: www.twitter.com/wcmerritt My websites: www.wayneism.com www.whitecaneday.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
Re: Questions about Using a Braille display with an I-Device
I have a Focus 40 braille display and use it all the time to take notes with my iPhone. I use the Notes app for this. I did not know that notes sync with Outlook, so I am happy to learn this. I have no problems going to the next line with my Focus and it stays connected very well. I do have IOS 8 on my 4S. because there are problems with VO turning off and on, that also affects the braille display. IOS 8 also seems to write slowly and the braille buffer takes some time keeping up. But I use the 4-5-chord and it works out pretty well. Sharonda On 10/10/14, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: One really neat feature in iOS 8 with a Braille display is the ability to have pages turned automatically. I use this in iBooks and it is quite nice. I don't have to turn the page, then hunt for the start of the next page's content. Now, when I get to the bottom of the current page, a message pops up on screen saying what page number I am going to, and then the text starts immediately when that message goes away. I haven't had too many issues when inputting Braille in iOS 8, but then again, I also haven't gone to great lengths to input Braille given the sluggishness. As said before, hopefully these issues will be resolved soon. Wayne On 10/10/14, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote: There is a serious delay when inputting braille on iOS 8. But reading braille is just fine. Hopefully the input problem will be resolved in iOS 8.1, but who knows. The new Vario Ultra braille displays from Baum are very nice. You have a choice of 20 or 40 cells. They have I think 32 GB of internal storage and you can flip between display mode and note taking mode by sliding a switch. So you can use the internal notes or use it as a display for your phone. If you have more than one bluetooth device it is a great choice because you can pair it with 4 different devices and switch devices on the fly with a keystroke. I work at an agency for the blind and just saw one about a month ago. I'd recommend checking them out. As I recall, the 20 cell is $2.395 and the 40 is $3.395. Check them out here, http://www.baumusa.com/braille-solutions/varioultra.html HTH, Richard PS, no I do not get a commission, I'm just really impressed. I use a Braille Edge at work, which is also very nice. The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd. - Bertrand Russell *Sent from my iPhone 5S On Oct 10, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Kerri Kosten kerrik2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I am considering purchasing a braille display and pairing it with my Iphone and using this as a notetaker. Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 that I haven't used in like two years. Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as say the Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a braille display and just paring it with my Iphone. Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you? Is it a viable option? How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class or meeting? Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes on them internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for taking notes? Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, another thing I really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, BARD, or I-Books with a braille display. Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a braille display and an Iphone? Thanks, Kerri -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To
Re: Questions about Using a Braille display with an I-Device
There is the Focus14 Blue braille display, which I have. It's available in the UK and ireland, so presumably it's available in europe also. No problem with it staying connected while in use, with iOS7.1.2. - Original Message - From: Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Questions about Using a Braille display with an I-Device Hi all. I like using my phone for taking notes together with a braille display. It depends on how you have set up your braille display if it will go to sleep. It also depends on how many cells a display needs to have. I tend to recommend a 32 cells display from human ware (Brailliant 32 bi) this display has in my opinion only one drawback, it can sometimes lose the connection to the phone while typing, this is a problem, but one of the only problems that I have. Braille edge, u2 and focus are better at staying connected, but in my opinion both braille edge and focus are to long, and focus has also a problem when you wants to go to the next display line. I guess you are from the u.s. and there are some other displays available. In IOS 8 it works really well to read books from ibooks with the braille display. I guess it also still works fine from bookshare, if read2go does not work anymore voicedream do, and voicedream is really great with a braille display. Best regards Annie. Den 10/10/2014 kl. 12.13 skrev Brett brettst...@gmail.com: Hi, I often use my braille display to take notes in meetings at Work. It works quite well, as long as your not too worried about formatting. If you haven't typed anything in a while, just type a space and delete it, to prevent your display from going to sleep. Your braille display will go to sleep after 10 minutes of inactivity. I use notes on the iPhone when taking notes in meetings, because if you sync your iPhone with itunes, your notes will appear in outlook. You can then copy the note to notepad or word and format it then save it to your computer. I have read braille books from BookShare and books from iBooks with my display, both work quite well. The only thing to keep in mind is that iOS8 has issues with bluetooth devices. I haven't yet used my display with iOS8, so hopefully someone who has will chime in here to let us know how braille displays perform under iOS8. Hope this helps, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 10 Oct 2014, at 6:48 pm, Kerri Kosten kerrik2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone: I am considering purchasing a braille display and pairing it with my Iphone and using this as a notetaker. Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 that I haven't used in like two years. Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as say the Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a braille display and just paring it with my Iphone. Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you? Is it a viable option? How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class or meeting? Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes on them internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for taking notes? Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, another thing I really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, BARD, or I-Books with a braille display. Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a braille display and an Iphone? Thanks, Kerri -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
