RE: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-17 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
I also experience this, but for me mostly this happens when I ask SIRI to make 
a call and use a wired headset and then use the headset remote to hang up the 
call. But I do know that others experience this as well and some a lot more 
than me and not only for phone calls but also with Skype calls, Zoom and other 
Voip apps. It needs to be reported to Apple since it's a fairly serious issue 
but one which may be hard to pin down.

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> I haven't experienced that one. I have been running the beta from almost day 
> one. Actually the first two were so buggy that I had to do a restore and 
> downgrade in iTunes. I removed the beta profile when they started coming out 
> with 13.1, as I no longer have the developer account. Hoping it will still 
> give me the upgrade to 13.0 stable.
> I haven't noticed too many bugs in the last 13.0 beta I got.
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
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> El 09/16/2019, a la(s) 11:52 a. m., lenron brown  
> escribió:
> 
> I hate the one that kills voice over for me after a call a lot of the 
> time. I wondered if it was just my phone but this only popped up a few 
> days ago.
> 
> On 9/16/19, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> Yeah,and give VoiceOver some love and care in Catolina while they're at it.
> 
> 
> On 9/15/2019 12:36 PM, CrazyEyez wrote:
> Man apple people who write code for this software need to lose their 
> jobs.
> Each and every one of them.
> There's no excuse for all these bugs.
> Lay off the drugs.I don't understand how they can release this garbage.
> Get rid of the useless dead weight, and find people who actually know 
> what they are doing.
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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-16 Thread Justin Harris 
> I haven't experienced that one. I have been running the beta from almost day 
> one. Actually the first two were so buggy that I had to do a restore and 
> downgrade in iTunes. I removed the beta profile when they started coming out 
> with 13.1, as I no longer have the developer account. Hoping it will still 
> give me the upgrade to 13.0 stable.
> I haven't noticed too many bugs in the last 13.0 beta I got.
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> 
> El 09/16/2019, a la(s) 11:52 a. m., lenron brown  
> escribió:
> 
> I hate the one that kills voice over for me after a call a lot of the
> time. I wondered if it was just my phone but this only popped up a few
> days ago.
> 
> On 9/16/19, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> Yeah,and give VoiceOver some love and care in Catolina while they're at it.
> 
> 
> On 9/15/2019 12:36 PM, CrazyEyez wrote:
> Man apple people who write code for this software need to lose their
> jobs.
> Each and every one of them.
> There's no excuse for all these bugs.
> Lay off the drugs.I don't understand how they can release this garbage.
> Get rid of the useless dead weight, and find people who actually know
> what they are doing.
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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-16 Thread Anthony Vece 
Well, I’m going to update as soon as possible.
Maybe I could help remove some bugs by making suggestions to Apple and their 
accessibility department.

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Sep 15, 2019, at 3:30 PM, William Green  wrote:
> 
> I would personally recommend waiting at least a few weeks unless absolutely 
> necessary. 
> 
> No need to risk the chance of getting bugs when you can wait until the 
> software is more tested towards Christmas time.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Will 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Sep 2019, at 20:27, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> You can wait providing that you do not have automatic updates enabled.
>>  
>> Andy
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Matthew Bullis
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for 
>> Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis
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>> Hello, if anyone feels like doing so, can you actually wait to upgrade from 
>> version 12 to 13.1, or do you need to upgrade to 13 first in order to then 
>> get the incremental update?
>> Thanks,
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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-16 Thread lenron brown 
I hate the one that kills voice over for me after a call a lot of the
time. I wondered if it was just my phone but this only popped up a few
days ago.

On 9/16/19, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> Yeah,and give VoiceOver some love and care in Catolina while they're at it.
>
>
> On 9/15/2019 12:36 PM, CrazyEyez wrote:
>> Man apple people who write code for this software need to lose their
>> jobs.
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>> There's no excuse for all these bugs.
>> Lay off the drugs.I don't understand how they can release this garbage.
>> Get rid of the useless dead weight, and find people who actually know
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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-16 Thread Steve Matzura 

Yeah,and give VoiceOver some love and care in Catolina while they're at it.


On 9/15/2019 12:36 PM, CrazyEyez wrote:
Man apple people who write code for this software need to lose their 
jobs.

Each and every one of them.
There's no excuse for all these bugs.
Lay off the drugs.I don't understand how they can release this garbage.
Get rid of the useless dead weight, and find people who actually know 
what they are doing.




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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-16 Thread Steve Matzura 

Haha, and more introduced!


On 9/15/2019 12:09 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
Yes I read through the bugs, and they don’t seem, for my use at least, 
too bad a game-changer. Thanks though for sharing. Good thing we’ll 
only have to wait 10 days for the iOS13.1 to come out, in which I’m 
sure most of these bugs will be resolved.


Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel



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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-16 Thread Joshua Hendrickson 
For me and to just be sure, I'll not update until 13.1.  I checked and
my software automatic updates are currently turned off.

On 9/16/19, Dave  wrote:
> no there are 2 automatic update settings. 1 is for apps, and the other is
> for updating the firmware.
>
> Dave.
>
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> From: Christopher Chaltain
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Andy Baracco
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> I thought automatic updates just applied to apps and not to operating system
> updates.
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> On 9/15/19 2:27 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
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>   You can wait providing that you do not have automatic updates enabled.
>
>   Andy
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> for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis
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> from version 12 to 13.1, or do you need to upgrade to 13 first in order to
> then get the incremental update?
> Thanks,
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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-16 Thread Dave 
no there are 2 automatic update settings. 1 is for apps, and the other is for 
updating the firmware.

Dave.


From: Christopher Chaltain 
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 2:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Andy Baracco 
Subject: Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind 
and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

I thought automatic updates just applied to apps and not to operating system 
updates.



On 9/15/19 2:27 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

  You can wait providing that you do not have automatic updates enabled.

  Andy

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Subject: Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for 
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Hello, if anyone feels like doing so, can you actually wait to upgrade from 
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RE: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
I think it was in iOS 12 when the automatic updates option was introduced in 
Settings > General > Software Updates.

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There are separate settings for auto updates for each. For software updates, go 
to Settings/General/Software Update.
Marie


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I thought automatic updates just applied to apps and not to operating system 
updates.


On 9/15/19 2:27 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
You can wait providing that you do not have automatic updates enabled.

Andy

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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread Marie 
There are separate settings for auto updates for each. For software updates, go 
to Settings/General/Software Update.
Marie


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I thought automatic updates just applied to apps and not to operating system 
updates.



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  You can wait providing that you do not have automatic updates enabled.

  Andy

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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
I thought automatic updates just applied to apps and not to operating 
system updates.



On 9/15/19 2:27 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

You can wait providing that you do not have automatic updates enabled.
Andy

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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread lenron brown 
13.1 should be fine, I still have one where voice over goes silent
after some phone calls though.

On 9/15/19, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> Richard,
>
>
>
> No, the third party keyboards while using Voiceover in iOS 13 bug was not
> discussed in the AppleVis blog. I was surprised by this and posted comment
> #35 in their blog to ask about it.
>
>
>
> Alan Lemly
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 11:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for
> Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis
>
>
>
> As I read through them again, was there mention of third party keyboards
> being silent?
>
> So if you use Flicktype or MBraille as a third party keyboard, you may want
> to wait.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>  Live long and prosper
>
>
>
>
>
> Check out my web site at:   www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis
>
>
>
> Yes I read through the bugs, and they don’t seem, for my use at least, too
> bad a game-changer. Thanks though for sharing. Good thing we’ll only have to
> wait 10 days for the iOS13.1 to come out, in which I’m sure most of these
> bugs will be resolved.
>
> Gera
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>
>
> El 15 sep 2019, a la(s) 9:42 a. m., Richard Turner
>  escribió:
>
> This is a must read before deciding to upgrade to iOS 13.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> https://www.applevis.com/blog/accessibility-bugs-introduced-and-resolved-ios-13-blind-and-low-vision-users
> 
>
>
>
>
> Richard
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> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
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RE: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread Alan Lemly 
Richard,

 

No, the third party keyboards while using Voiceover in iOS 13 bug was not 
discussed in the AppleVis blog. I was surprised by this and posted comment #35 
in their blog to ask about it.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 11:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind 
and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

 

As I read through them again, was there mention of third party keyboards being 
silent?

So if you use Flicktype or MBraille as a third party keyboard, you may want to 
wait.

 

 

Richard

 

 Live long and prosper

 

 

Check out my web site at:   www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind 
and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

 

Yes I read through the bugs, and they don’t seem, for my use at least, too bad 
a game-changer. Thanks though for sharing. Good thing we’ll only have to wait 
10 days for the iOS13.1 to come out, in which I’m sure most of these bugs will 
be resolved.

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel


El 15 sep 2019, a la(s) 9:42 a. m., Richard Turner 
 escribió:

This is a must read before deciding to upgrade to iOS 13. 

 

 

 


https://www.applevis.com/blog/accessibility-bugs-introduced-and-resolved-ios-13-blind-and-low-vision-users
 

 

 

Richard 

 

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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread William Green 
I would personally recommend waiting at least a few weeks unless absolutely 
necessary. 

No need to risk the chance of getting bugs when you can wait until the software 
is more tested towards Christmas time.

Thanks

Will 

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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread Andy Baracco 
You can wait providing that you do not have automatic updates enabled.

Andy

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  Hello, if anyone feels like doing so, can you actually wait to upgrade from 
version 12 to 13.1, or do you need to upgrade to 13 first in order to then get 
the incremental update?
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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread Jennie Facer 
> You can definitely wait. You don't have to get 13.0 before 13.1.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
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> On Sep 15, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Matthew Bullis  
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> 
> Hello, if anyone feels like doing so, can you actually wait to upgrade from 
> version 12 to 13.1, or do you need to upgrade to 13 first in order to then 
> get the incremental update?
> Thanks,
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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread Matthew Bullis 
Hello, if anyone feels like doing so, can you actually wait to upgrade from 
version 12 to 13.1, or do you need to upgrade to 13 first in order to then get 
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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread CrazyEyez 
Man apple people who write code for this software need to lose their jobs.
Each and every one of them.
There's no excuse for all these bugs.
Lay off the drugs.I don't understand how they can release this garbage.
Get rid of the useless dead weight, and find people who actually know what they 
are doing.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Richard Turner  
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> As I read through them again, was there mention of third party keyboards 
> being silent?
> So if you use Flicktype or MBraille as a third party keyboard, you may want 
> to wait.
>  
>  
> Richard
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Yes I read through the bugs, and they don’t seem, for my use at least, too 
> bad a game-changer. Thanks though for sharing. Good thing we’ll only have to 
> wait 10 days for the iOS13.1 to come out, in which I’m sure most of these 
> bugs will be resolved.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
> 
> El 15 sep 2019, a la(s) 9:42 a. m., Richard Turner 
>  escribió:
> 
> This is a must read before deciding to upgrade to iOS 13.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> https://www.applevis.com/blog/accessibility-bugs-introduced-and-resolved-ios-13-blind-and-low-vision-users
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RE: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread Richard Turner 
As I read through them again, was there mention of third party keyboards being 
silent?
So if you use Flicktype or MBraille as a third party keyboard, you may want to 
wait.


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Corripio
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and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

Yes I read through the bugs, and they don’t seem, for my use at least, too bad 
a game-changer. Thanks though for sharing. Good thing we’ll only have to wait 
10 days for the iOS13.1 to come out, in which I’m sure most of these bugs will 
be resolved.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 15 sep 2019, a la(s) 9:42 a. m., Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> escribió:
This is a must read before deciding to upgrade to iOS 13.





https://www.applevis.com/blog/accessibility-bugs-introduced-and-resolved-ios-13-blind-and-low-vision-users

Richard

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Re: The Accessibility Bugs Introduced and Resolved in iOS 13 for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

2019-09-15 Thread Gerardo Corripio 
Yes I read through the bugs, and they don’t seem, for my use at least, too bad 
a game-changer. Thanks though for sharing. Good thing we’ll only have to wait 
10 days for the iOS13.1 to come out, in which I’m sure most of these bugs will 
be resolved.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 15 sep 2019, a la(s) 9:42 a. m., Richard Turner 
 escribió:

> This is a must read before deciding to upgrade to iOS 13.
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/accessibility-bugs-introduced-and-resolved-ios-13-blind-and-low-vision-users
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>> Richard
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