Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store
For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until a month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely made, they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from ebay but you may end up paying more for it. Original message: I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone. But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for those who wanted it right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store
They are also always available in Canada right from day 1. I can say this for sure because I preordered my unlocked 4S 2 years ago and just bought an unlocked 5S 64 Gb on Friday. Now, I exchanged a few messages with a gentleman named Brice last week who I believe was from North or South Carolina and I could swear that he told me he had ordered an unlocked 5S Gold from Apple. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until a month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely made, they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from ebay but you may end up paying more for it. Original message: I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone. But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for those who wanted it right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store
Hi if you order one for Tmobile is unlocked Especially if you pay the whole price for it Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Vicky Collins v-coll...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone. But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for those who wanted it right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store
This is correct. In the US, you now have several options for buying an unlocked phone: 1) Buy the t-mobile, device only phone on apple.com. You'll pay the full price, and it will come with a t-mobile sim already., but it's fully unlocked and you can use whatever sim you want with it. 2) Go to an Apple store and buy, device only at full/unsubsidized price, either the ATT phone or the Tmobile one. You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it. Again, if you buy device only from Apple, your phone is unlocked. If you buy from a phone carrier, even at full price, your phone will be locked. Apple really doesn't advertise this stuff, probably because of agreements with carriers, the general public not knowing/caring what unlocked means, and to prevent people from buying tons of device only ATT/Tmobile phones from Apple stores and selling them overseas. Brice On 9/23/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: They are also always available in Canada right from day 1. I can say this for sure because I preordered my unlocked 4S 2 years ago and just bought an unlocked 5S 64 Gb on Friday. Now, I exchanged a few messages with a gentleman named Brice last week who I believe was from North or South Carolina and I could swear that he told me he had ordered an unlocked 5S Gold from Apple. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until a month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely made, they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from ebay but you may end up paying more for it. Original message: I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone. But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for those who wanted it right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store
I think this is the case with t-mobile, but I've always heard that if you get the att version of the phone, even at the apple store for full price, it's still locked to att which makes paying full price forthe phone pointless. When I got the iphone 5 from an apple store, there were separate phones that were specificly unlocked. I'm not sure if there is a difference with the CDMA version, or if it's all the same hardware, but whether an iphone is locked is actually determined by how Apple has it labeled in their servers. I'm not sure why Apple would be concerned about it, if people are paying full price for an unlocked phone, it should not matter to them, on the other hand, carriers do have too much control over things at least in the states. I think in Europe, there are more restrictions on what carriers can and cannot do, and hopefully eventually that will happen here as well. Original message: This is correct. In the US, you now have several options for buying an unlocked phone: 1) Buy the t-mobile, device only phone on apple.com. You'll pay the full price, and it will come with a t-mobile sim already., but it's fully unlocked and you can use whatever sim you want with it. 2) Go to an Apple store and buy, device only at full/unsubsidized price, either the ATT phone or the Tmobile one. You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it. Again, if you buy device only from Apple, your phone is unlocked. If you buy from a phone carrier, even at full price, your phone will be locked. Apple really doesn't advertise this stuff, probably because of agreements with carriers, the general public not knowing/caring what unlocked means, and to prevent people from buying tons of device only ATT/Tmobile phones from Apple stores and selling them overseas. Brice On 9/23/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: They are also always available in Canada right from day 1. I can say this for sure because I preordered my unlocked 4S 2 years ago and just bought an unlocked 5S 64 Gb on Friday. Now, I exchanged a few messages with a gentleman named Brice last week who I believe was from North or South Carolina and I could swear that he told me he had ordered an unlocked 5S Gold from Apple. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until a month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely made, they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from ebay but you may end up paying more for it. Original message: I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone. But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for those who wanted it right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com
Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store
I thought I heard that the white house was petitioning the FCC to make this the case. It would be nice if we could just switch carriers at will. I want to use a smaller, more regional carrier that has better signal here, but they don't necessarily have the device I want to use on it. - Original Message - From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 4:51 PM Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store I think this is the case with t-mobile, but I've always heard that if you get the att version of the phone, even at the apple store for full price, it's still locked to att which makes paying full price forthe phone pointless. When I got the iphone 5 from an apple store, there were separate phones that were specificly unlocked. I'm not sure if there is a difference with the CDMA version, or if it's all the same hardware, but whether an iphone is locked is actually determined by how Apple has it labeled in their servers. I'm not sure why Apple would be concerned about it, if people are paying full price for an unlocked phone, it should not matter to them, on the other hand, carriers do have too much control over things at least in the states. I think in Europe, there are more restrictions on what carriers can and cannot do, and hopefully eventually that will happen here as well. Original message: This is correct. In the US, you now have several options for buying an unlocked phone: 1) Buy the t-mobile, device only phone on apple.com. You'll pay the full price, and it will come with a t-mobile sim already., but it's fully unlocked and you can use whatever sim you want with it. 2) Go to an Apple store and buy, device only at full/unsubsidized price, either the ATT phone or the Tmobile one. You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it. Again, if you buy device only from Apple, your phone is unlocked. If you buy from a phone carrier, even at full price, your phone will be locked. Apple really doesn't advertise this stuff, probably because of agreements with carriers, the general public not knowing/caring what unlocked means, and to prevent people from buying tons of device only ATT/Tmobile phones from Apple stores and selling them overseas. Brice On 9/23/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: They are also always available in Canada right from day 1. I can say this for sure because I preordered my unlocked 4S 2 years ago and just bought an unlocked 5S 64 Gb on Friday. Now, I exchanged a few messages with a gentleman named Brice last week who I believe was from North or South Carolina and I could swear that he told me he had ordered an unlocked 5S Gold from Apple. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until a month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely made, they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from ebay but you may end up paying more for it. Original message: I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone. But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for those who wanted it right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You
RE: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store
OK, now I'm confused again. I was under the impression that once on Verizon CDMA, one could never unlock and transfer to another carrier that was GSM. Is this not the case? Here's the info from the original message that's confusing to me. I certainly would like to unlock my Verizon phone when off contract and look to another carrier if possible. You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brice Smith Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store This is correct. In the US, you now have several options for buying an unlocked phone: 1) Buy the t-mobile, device only phone on apple.com. You'll pay the full price, and it will come with a t-mobile sim already., but it's fully unlocked and you can use whatever sim you want with it. 2) Go to an Apple store and buy, device only at full/unsubsidized price, either the ATT phone or the Tmobile one. You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it. Again, if you buy device only from Apple, your phone is unlocked. If you buy from a phone carrier, even at full price, your phone will be locked. Apple really doesn't advertise this stuff, probably because of agreements with carriers, the general public not knowing/caring what unlocked means, and to prevent people from buying tons of device only ATT/Tmobile phones from Apple stores and selling them overseas. Brice On 9/23/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: They are also always available in Canada right from day 1. I can say this for sure because I preordered my unlocked 4S 2 years ago and just bought an unlocked 5S 64 Gb on Friday. Now, I exchanged a few messages with a gentleman named Brice last week who I believe was from North or South Carolina and I could swear that he told me he had ordered an unlocked 5S Gold from Apple. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until a month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely made, they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from ebay but you may end up paying more for it. Original message: I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone. But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for those who wanted it right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en
Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store
Oh, and I guess I should clarify here, as I was kind of writing hurriedly this morning before starting work. But, I didn't actually go online with Apple to check; but, rather, I used the Apple Store app, and that only offered me the unlocked 5c and not the unlocked 5s. It let me choose from going with ATT, my current carrier, or choose another carrier, but it didn't offer me the unlocked choice as it did with the 5c. - Original Message - From: Brent Harding br...@hostany.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:55 pm Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store I thought I heard that the white house was petitioning the FCC to make this the case. It would be nice if we could just switch carriers at will. I want to use a smaller, more regional carrier that has better signal here, but they don't necessarily have the device I want to use on it. - Original Message - From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 4:51 PM Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store I think this is the case with t-mobile, but I've always heard that if you get the att version of the phone, even at the apple store for full price, it's still locked to att which makes paying full price for the phone pointless. When I got the iphone 5 from an apple store, there were separate phones that were specificly unlocked. I'm not sure if there is a difference with the COULDMA version, or if it's all the same hardware, but whether an iphone is locked is actually determined by how Apple has it labeled in their servers. I'm not sure why Apple would be concerned about it, if people are paying full price for an unlocked phone, it should not matter to them, on the other hand, carriers do have too much control over things at least in the states. I think in Europe, there are more restrictions on what carriers can and cannot do, and hopefully eventually that will happen here as well. Original message: This is correct. In the US, you now have several options for buying an unlocked phone: 1) Buy the t-mobile, device only phone on apple.com. You'll pay the full price, and it will come with a t-mobile sim already., but it's fully unlocked and you can use whatever sim you want with it. 2) Go to an Apple store and buy, device only at full/unsubsidized price, either the ATT phone or the Tmobile one. You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the COULDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it. Again, if you buy device only from Apple, your phone is unlocked. If you buy from a phone carrier, even at full price, your phone will be locked. Apple really doesn't advertise this stuff, probably because of agreements with carriers, the general public not knowing/caring what unlocked means, and to prevent people from buying tons of device only ATT/Tmobile phones from Apple stores and selling them overseas. Brice On 9/23/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: They are also always available in Canada right from day 1. I can say this for sure because I preordered my unlocked 4S 2 years ago and just bought an unlocked 5S 64 Gb on Friday. Now, I exchanged a few messages with a gentleman named Brice last week who I believe was from North or South Carolina and I could swear that he told me he had ordered an unlocked 5S Gold from Apple. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until a month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely made, they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from ebay but you may end up paying more for it. Original message: I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone. But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for those who wanted it right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store
Verizon's iPhones are required by the FCC to be SIM unlocked. Google this for more information. The SIM tray in the Verizon iPhone 5 and later is GSM unlocked. Remember though, that Verizon uses CDMA for its own network. Posters on Macrumors forums have said they have walked out of the Appple store after purchasing a Verizon 5s without needing to activate on Verizon's network, and their SIM tray (for ATT/Tmobile) is unlocked. This link (iPhone 5) explains more: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/21/verizon-iphone-5-unlocked-att-t-mobile-video/ And this explains even more: http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-to-remain-gsm-unlocked-at-verizon-24248997/ Also, buying an ATT 5S model from Apple directly at full price and restoring it on iTunes will also unlock the device. This has also been confirmed online. There's a lot of information out there about this stuffnews sites, forum posters and even Apple store employees all tell you different things, depending on who you ask. So don't listen to me. Do your own research and hopefully you'll end up with what you want. Brice On 9/23/13, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: OK, now I'm confused again. I was under the impression that once on Verizon CDMA, one could never unlock and transfer to another carrier that was GSM. Is this not the case? Here's the info from the original message that's confusing to me. I certainly would like to unlock my Verizon phone when off contract and look to another carrier if possible. You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brice Smith Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store This is correct. In the US, you now have several options for buying an unlocked phone: 1) Buy the t-mobile, device only phone on apple.com. You'll pay the full price, and it will come with a t-mobile sim already., but it's fully unlocked and you can use whatever sim you want with it. 2) Go to an Apple store and buy, device only at full/unsubsidized price, either the ATT phone or the Tmobile one. You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it. Again, if you buy device only from Apple, your phone is unlocked. If you buy from a phone carrier, even at full price, your phone will be locked. Apple really doesn't advertise this stuff, probably because of agreements with carriers, the general public not knowing/caring what unlocked means, and to prevent people from buying tons of device only ATT/Tmobile phones from Apple stores and selling them overseas. Brice On 9/23/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: They are also always available in Canada right from day 1. I can say this for sure because I preordered my unlocked 4S 2 years ago and just bought an unlocked 5S 64 Gb on Friday. Now, I exchanged a few messages with a gentleman named Brice last week who I believe was from North or South Carolina and I could swear that he told me he had ordered an unlocked 5S Gold from Apple. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until a month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely made, they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from ebay but you may end up paying more for it. Original message: I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone. But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for those who wanted it right away. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search
RE: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store
That's the best news I've heard since the release of iOS! Many thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brice Smith Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 6:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store Verizon's iPhones are required by the FCC to be SIM unlocked. Google this for more information. The SIM tray in the Verizon iPhone 5 and later is GSM unlocked. Remember though, that Verizon uses CDMA for its own network. Posters on Macrumors forums have said they have walked out of the Appple store after purchasing a Verizon 5s without needing to activate on Verizon's network, and their SIM tray (for ATT/Tmobile) is unlocked. This link (iPhone 5) explains more: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/21/verizon-iphone-5-unlocked-att-t-mobile-video/ And this explains even more: http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-to-remain-gsm-unlocked-at-verizon-24248997/ Also, buying an ATT 5S model from Apple directly at full price and restoring it on iTunes will also unlock the device. This has also been confirmed online. There's a lot of information out there about this stuffnews sites, forum posters and even Apple store employees all tell you different things, depending on who you ask. So don't listen to me. Do your own research and hopefully you'll end up with what you want. Brice On 9/23/13, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: OK, now I'm confused again. I was under the impression that once on Verizon CDMA, one could never unlock and transfer to another carrier that was GSM. Is this not the case? Here's the info from the original message that's confusing to me. I certainly would like to unlock my Verizon phone when off contract and look to another carrier if possible. You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brice Smith Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store This is correct. In the US, you now have several options for buying an unlocked phone: 1) Buy the t-mobile, device only phone on apple.com. You'll pay the full price, and it will come with a t-mobile sim already., but it's fully unlocked and you can use whatever sim you want with it. 2) Go to an Apple store and buy, device only at full/unsubsidized price, either the ATT phone or the Tmobile one. You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it. Again, if you buy device only from Apple, your phone is unlocked. If you buy from a phone carrier, even at full price, your phone will be locked. Apple really doesn't advertise this stuff, probably because of agreements with carriers, the general public not knowing/caring what unlocked means, and to prevent people from buying tons of device only ATT/Tmobile phones from Apple stores and selling them overseas. Brice On 9/23/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: They are also always available in Canada right from day 1. I can say this for sure because I preordered my unlocked 4S 2 years ago and just bought an unlocked 5S 64 Gb on Friday. Now, I exchanged a few messages with a gentleman named Brice last week who I believe was from North or South Carolina and I could swear that he told me he had ordered an unlocked 5S Gold from Apple. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until a month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely made, they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from ebay but you may end up paying more for it. Original message: I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone. But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I saw that one is still able to purchase
