Re: [VoiceOps] Fwd: 911 and Softphones

2020-05-14 Thread Carlos Alvarez
Apple in particular has some advanced, enhanced, and proprietary methods to locate devices. They have become so hard to steal. I don't know their system at any deep level, but it uses technology that understands location and direction. It can also pass on location data between Apple devices,

Re: [VoiceOps] Fwd: 911 and Softphones

2020-05-14 Thread mgraves mstvp . com
Alex, I can't speak to what's deployed, but I know that the IIT has been working on location awareness for mobile users for a long while This is from Cluecon 2018: https://youtu.be/A8i2psbeYT4 There was a similar session at Cluecon 2019, but it was not recorded. Michael Graves

Re: [VoiceOps] Fwd: 911 and Softphones

2020-05-14 Thread Calvin Ellison
West Emergency Services supports routing by GPS, provided via SIP header. They also support dynamic callback number assignment for internal routing numbers. I haven't used the GPS portion, but for the latter we would assign a unique account per user location and attach that to the user's primary

Re: [VoiceOps] Fwd: 911 and Softphones

2020-05-14 Thread Alex Balashov
This may be a stupid question, but I know absolutely nothing about mobile: I'm deep inside an apartment building, and there are no windows on the lower level. How does my phone know where I am? I've heard much about deducing it through WiFi and/or Bluetooth, but how? -- Alex On Thu, May 14,

Re: [VoiceOps] Fwd: 911 and Softphones

2020-05-14 Thread Carlos Alvarez
GPS is useless inside most buildings. That's why mobiles have A-GPS, which is assisted by wifi and bluetooth. Even in homes, GPS signals are mostly blocked. In a commercial building, almost guaranteed to be blocked. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:23 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > I'm still

Re: [VoiceOps] Fwd: 911 and Softphones

2020-05-14 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn via VoiceOps
I'm still wondering why desk phones don't have a small built-in GPS chip yet? Soft phones on cell phones could have access to GPS. Web browsers wouldn't work so well. But having the phone out-of-band-signal the phone server with GPS info (maybe a SIP header or something) would allow the phone

Re: [VoiceOps] Fwd: 911 and Softphones

2020-05-14 Thread Carlos Alvarez
I *thought* I had read something about mobile apps being given a pass on 911, but not completely sure. And then where do we cross the line? Mobile app, tablet running a WebRTC softphone...etc... On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > We're looking that we may have to allocate

Re: [VoiceOps] Fwd: 911 and Softphones

2020-05-14 Thread Mike Hammett
We're looking that we may have to allocate a lot more DIDs, simply for the new 911 requirements. We have a lot of clients with work from home people. Some have their own DIDs already, some don't. Softphones make this a lot more complicated. We could have the same extension connected via desk

[VoiceOps] Fwd: 911 and Softphones

2020-05-14 Thread Mike Hammett
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Re: [VoiceOps] Toll Free Caller ID

2020-05-14 Thread Calvin Ellison
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:02 AM Glen Gerhard wrote: > I agree with Paul. From what I know the 8YY ANIs are handled like any > other ANI. > Are underlying carriers treating these as indeterminate, or given their own jurisdiction and rates? ___

Re: [VoiceOps] Toll Free Caller ID

2020-05-14 Thread Glen Gerhard
I agree with Paul. From what I know the 8YY ANIs are handled like any other ANI. ~Glen On 5/14/2020 9:08, Paul Timmins wrote: What's the news on using TFN as a caller ID? People have been doing

Re: [VoiceOps] Analog Phone Lines - Timesouce for PBX System

2020-05-14 Thread Ken Mix
Hello, Date and time can be provided over analog lines as part of the caller-ID data burst (SDMF or MDMF). On an Adtran TA9xx, you can see the raw data by running “debug voice toneservices”. Regards, Ken Mix From: VoiceOps On Behalf Of Colton Conor Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 09:43 To:

Re: [VoiceOps] Toll Free Caller ID

2020-05-14 Thread Paul Timmins
1. What's the news on using TFN as a caller ID? 1. People have been doing it for years 2. Does this require a local charge number in P-Charge-Info or P_Asserted_Identity or elsewhere? 1. It does if you want calling other toll-free numbers or 911 to work, otherwise it doesn't

Re: [VoiceOps] Toll Free Caller ID

2020-05-14 Thread Oren Yehezkely
Calvin, I wonder if you got any insight to this question? Regards, Oren On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:01 PM Calvin Ellison wrote: > It looks like Somos is pushing TFN CNAM, press release below from Mar 30, > 2020. I've always understood TF ANI to be invalid. > > What's the news on using TFN as a

Re: [VoiceOps] Analog Phone Lines - Timesouce for PBX System

2020-05-14 Thread Lee Riemer
The caller-ID signaling between rings 1 and 2 should include time. If they answer too quickly, no name, number, or time. Remember the old AT caller-id display boxes? You never had to set the time on those as it was signaled with the call. In this case, your ATA needs to send time with

Re: [VoiceOps] Analog Phone Lines - Timesouce for PBX System

2020-05-14 Thread Paul Timmins
A lot of older systems will set the clock from the incoming caller ID data - the time and date are in the stream of FSK along with the number and name. You'd want to make sure that ATA has valid time and timezones set, then send a call into them and the PBX should jump to the correct time and

[VoiceOps] Analog Phone Lines - Timesouce for PBX System

2020-05-14 Thread Colton Conor
We had a customer that had Frontier Analog phone lines going into their Panasonic TDA-50 PBX system. We recently ported the numbers from Frontier to our Broadsoft, and deployed a Poly OBI508 ATA onsite. We also replaced their router and internet connection. Customer is complaining that their