Re: [volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread J. L. Trantham
I think the only option for repair, out of warranty or out of repair agreement, is 'Per Incident' which the KS website lists as $2851.00. This is a 'one charge fits all' kind of repair price. It comes with a calibration as well. It's what makes the repair agreement attractive as 'insurance' on

Re: [volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 16 January 2018 at 23:06, Dr. Frank wrote: > Surely the AC errors if any must be associated with the A2 AC Convertor >>> board - 03458-66502? >> Dave >>> >> > Why should this be a hardware error??? > > It's much much more probable, that this is a natural drift phenomenon. > This is 'as found'

[volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread Dr. Frank
Surely the AC errors if any must be associated with the A2 AC Convertor board - 03458-66502? >> Dave Why should this be a hardware error??? It's much much more probable, that this is a natural drift phenomenon. This is 'as found' and the 'as left' report is missing, that would tell the whol

Re: [volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread David C. Partridge
Surely the AC errors if any must be associated with the A2 AC Convertor board - 03458-66502? Dave -Original Message- From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Frank Sent: 16 January 2018 22:39 To: volt-nuts@febo.com Subject: [volt-nuts] What's the probability o

[volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread Dr. Frank
I also saw this, so at least, they will have adjusted this range. Yes you're right, the ADC is the A3 board. I confused that with the A5 controller board, which is the only one which had been redesigned to SMT components. There's no chance to identify a refurbished or replaced board, other t

Re: [volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 16 January 2018 at 17:33, Dr. Frank wrote: > I meant to say, that the ADC ASIC determines crucially the stability.. and > this special serial number US28032500 is eventually affected by the AN-18 > service note. So that may be the reason, why they claim 2100$ for repair, > i.e. replacement of

[volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread Dr. Frank
I meant to say, that the ADC ASIC determines crucially the stability.. and this special serial number US28032500 is eventually affected by the AN-18 service note. So that may be the reason, why they claim 2100$ for repair, i.e. replacement of A5, the ADC PCB.. and that had nothing to do with th

Re: [volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
But the seller told me he had been quoted 2100 Euros for repair, so I assume Keysight thought it needs repair, not just adjustment. Also, as far as I know, all Keysight calibration do include adjustments. I'd like one, but don't really have the money, but I thought the price excessive. Dave Dr D

[volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread Dr. Frank
David, that instrument on ebay is definitely from the agilent area, i.e. built after 2000. It is really ok, and does not need any repair. Obviously, this AC range is a bit outside calibration @ 3V, 4MHz, but that is normal after some years w/o adjustment, and not a defect at all. Probably yo

Re: [volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread J. L. Trantham
I agree with the thought that older meters are more stable. That was confirmed to me by Gary Biermann who worked at Loveland. In addition, with older meters, getting the latest (or later) firmware is desirable and, depending on the age, there are 'Service Notes' that should be complied with.

Re: [volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 16 January 2018 at 13:44, Dr. David Kirkby < drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote: > Maybe an Agilent meter might be a sweet spot - not as old as an HP, so but > less stable than a newer Keysight. > > Dave > I meant to say, maybe an Agilent meter would not have the reliability problems of an

Re: [volt-nuts] What's the probability of a random used 3458A passing a Keysight calibration?

2018-01-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 16 January 2018 at 05:01, John Phillips wrote: > my experience is that most of the eBay meters that do not give errors are > very close to spec. These old meters do not drift as much as a new meter. > If you have a good 10 volts and 10k resistor calibration is a snap... > verifying cal in not