comments on the Cirillo paper

2004-12-02 Thread P.J van Noorden
A few years ago I did some interesting experiments with a plasma discharge system send to me by Eugene Mallove. This system was equiped with a reaction vessel connected with a long vertical tube . The evaporated gasses could be condensed and where collected in a second vessel.I used a K2CO3

Re: CF and Orientation .

2004-12-02 Thread Horace Heffner
At 11:11 PM 11/27/4, Harry Veeder wrote: Hi, This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone in CF community has looked for evidence of a correlation between the orientation of a CF cell and the amount of excess heat produced. Perhaps the performance of a CF cell would change if the cell or

Re: CF and Orientation .

2004-12-02 Thread Horace Heffner
At 11:11 PM 11/27/4, Harry Veeder wrote: Hi, This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone in CF community has looked for evidence of a correlation between the orientation of a CF cell and the amount of excess heat produced. Perhaps the performance of a CF cell would change if the cell or

Re: comments on the Cirillo paper

2004-12-02 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: P.J van Noorden It was very interesting to see that during evaporation a significant amount (25%) of the radioactive Thallium could be found in the second vessel, where you only would expect destillated water. So I suspect that during violent boiling of the

Re: oomments on DOE report

2004-12-02 Thread FZNIDARSIC
The researchers in cold fusion should publish there papers in peer reviewed journals. Journals reject cold fusion papers, "cold fusion is unworkable!" How much unpaid time do we have? It's a catch 22. They have got us. We should all cut our looses and run. Frank Z

Re: comments on the Cirillo paper

2004-12-02 Thread P.J van Noorden
Hello We used 201 Thallium in our nuclear medicine department to study the perfusion of the heart.The energy emission of radioactive thallium is about 80 eV. Now we have a technetium based radiopharmacon which gives a better image quality.( 140eV) The amounts of thallium we used was about a few

Re: comments on the Cirillo paper

2004-12-02 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: P.J van Noorden We used 201 Thallium in our nuclear medicine department to study the perfusion of the heart.The energy emission of radioactive thallium is about 80 eV The amounts of thallium we used was about a few nanograms. Therefore you can inject

Let us make a list of the mistakes in the DoE report

2004-12-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
The DoE report really is inept and sloppy. The reviewers rejected the data based on the first notions that popped into their heads. They made the same kinds of silly mistakes that people have repeated year after year over in sci.physics.fusion. I think we should make a list of some of the

Re: CF and Orientation .

2004-12-02 Thread Harry Veeder
on 12/2/04 8:32 AM, Horace Heffner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:11 PM 11/27/4, Harry Veeder wrote: Hi, This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone in CF community has looked for evidence of a correlation between the orientation of a CF cell and the amount of excess heat

Re: comments on the Cirillo paper

2004-12-02 Thread Jones Beene
Peter, Thank you for having carefully considered this. We analysed the reaction product with a multi channel analyser and we where convinced that it was 201 Tl. However... in order that others can dispose of any lingering questions, especially about the ability of thallium to migrate across

Re: comments on the Cirillo paper

2004-12-02 Thread Horace Heffner
At 6:51 AM 12/2/4, Jones Beene wrote: - Original Message - From: P.J van Noorden It was very interesting to see that during evaporation a significant amount (25%) of the radioactive Thallium could be found in the second vessel, where you only would expect destillated water. So I

Re: comments on the Cirillo paper

2004-12-02 Thread Horace Heffner
At 9:13 AM 12/2/4, Jones Beene wrote: Peter, Thank you for having carefully considered this. We analysed the reaction product with a multi channel analyser and we where convinced that it was 201 Tl. However... in order that others can dispose of any lingering questions, especially about the

DOE Report, NYTimes article, and Dr. Mallove links

2004-12-02 Thread Mitchell Swartz
Latest links to, and excerpt information from, the just-issued DOE Report, to today's New York Times article about it, (and to info re: Dr. Mallove's cold case) have been updated. Links are also present to references in cold fusion which are uncensored (unlike the 'LENR' site), and

Re: Let us make a list of the mistakes in the DoE report

2004-12-02 Thread Horace Heffner
At 11:14 AM 12/2/4, Jed Rothwell wrote: I think we should make a list of some of the major blunders, and uploaded into LENR-CANR.org as part of our News report. Two mistakes struck me the moment I glanced at the report. They are: This may be an interesting intellectual exercise, but what will

Re: Let us make a list of the mistakes in the DoE report

2004-12-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: This may be an interesting intellectual exercise, but what will it achieve? Another 15 years of bickering? The purpose is to keep the readers at LENR-CANR informed. We would not want the public to think that we are satisfied with the quality of the DoE report. The document

FW: RE: DoE recommendations are posted

2004-12-02 Thread Akira Kawasaki
Dec. 02, 2004 Vortex, Earlier, Jed missed my suggestion on the DoE report. Fortunately Steven Krivit (of New Energy Times) has foreseen the need and has gone ahead and posted the various (anonymous) DoE requested reviews for our study and independent evaluation to see how DoE reached its

Re: CF and Orientation .

2004-12-02 Thread Harry Veeder
on 12/2/04 12:40 PM, Horace Heffner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:58 AM 12/2/4, Harry Veeder wrote: My hunch is that earth's gravity plays a essential role in the generation excess heat in a CF cell. If I am correct, then rotating the same apparatus will change the amount of excess heat

RE: DoE recommendations are posted

2004-12-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Kawasaki wrote: Earlier, Jed missed my suggestion on the DoE report. I didn't exactly miss it, I thought it might be counterproductive. Fortunately Steven Krivit (of New Energy Times) has foreseen the need and has gone ahead and posted the various (anonymous) DoE requested reviews for our

CF in everyday life

2004-12-02 Thread RC Macaulay
Perhaps it's time to demonstrate CF in everyday life in order there be no great mystery about some secret know only to the few that advise the king. For centuries the people in desert areas have used water " ollas" to cool water. These clay vessels are fixed in a woven sling and suspended

Introduction

2004-12-02 Thread Haiko Lietz
Greeting people, let me introduce myself, I'm new on this list. My name is Haiko Lietz, I am a science, political, media journalist from Cologne, Germany. I'm writing a series about cold fusion for a German online magazine (Telepolis). I've also recently written about an (antigravity) field

RE: DoE recommendations are posted

2004-12-02 Thread Johnson, Steven
Akira Kawasaki wrote: Jed Rothwell wroge Fortunately Steven Krivit (of New Energy Times) has foreseen the need and has gone ahead and posted the various (anonymous) DoE requested reviews for our study and independent evaluation to see how DoE reached its 'final' report. Whoa! You mean here,

A typical reviewer comment, about Iwamura

2004-12-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Look at this, from: http://www.newenergytimes.com/DOE/2004-DOE-ReviewerComments.pdf Quote: 16 (a) The paper by Iwamura et al. presented at ICCF10 (Ref. 47 in DOE31) does an exhaustive job of using a variety of modern analytical chemistry methods to identify elements produced on the surface of

Re: A typical reviewer comment, about Iwamura

2004-12-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Give this five more minutes of thought, and it is even worse. Here is a revised version: . . . The reviewer rejects the results based on nuclear theory; it is not to be believed, but then proposes an alternative explanation that would violates even more fundamental chemical and physical

Re: CF and Orientation .

2004-12-02 Thread Horace Heffner
At 4:02 PM 12/2/4, Harry Veeder wrote: I misunderstood the focus of your 'gravi-chem' research. I thought your focus was D+D fusion. Is it fair to say the primary focus of your research is the critique of the conservation laws by physical means? Actually, if you look at the vortex archives at

Re: A typical reviewer comment, about Iwamura

2004-12-02 Thread Horace Heffner
At 4:51 PM 12/2/4, Jed Rothwell wrote: Look at this, from: http://www.newenergytimes.com/DOE/2004-DOE-ReviewerComments.pdf Quote: 16 (a) The paper by Iwamura et al. presented at ICCF10 (Ref. 47 in DOE31) does an exhaustive job of using a variety of modern analytical chemistry methods to

Re: Introduction

2004-12-02 Thread Steven Krivit
Welcome Haiko! Steve

Re: comments on the Cirillo paper

2004-12-02 Thread Horace Heffner
At 12:06 PM 12/2/4, Jones Beene wrote: Horace, you seem to be saying that the condenser was air-cooled instead of water-cooled. Of course this would introduce major errors, and it still doesn't address the issue of tritium. Actually, there is no mention of a condenser in the Cirillio paper. The

Re: CF in everyday life

2004-12-02 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:11:47 -0600: Hi, [snip] nightime temp of 70 degrees F. The water temperature inside the olla will fall to 70 degrees F as it surrenders heat to the clay wall of the olla. Comparing the differential potential for giving up heat to

Re: Let us make a list of the mistakes in the DoE report

2004-12-02 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:30:54 -0500: Hi, [snip] When they say: Several reviewers specifically stated that more experiments similar in nature to those that have been carried out for the past fifteen years are unlikely to advance knowledge in this area.

Re: Astounding statement in upcoming paper by Cirillo and Iorio

2004-12-02 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:01:06 -0500: Hi, [snip] deeper level I allow for such. The Critic's Circle on HSG have concluded that Mills' orbitsphere model itself is fatally flawed, and a private trusted source who has looked at it agrees. The trusted source indicates

Re: Astounding statement in upcoming paper by Cirillo and Iorio

2004-12-02 Thread Horace Heffner
At 1:24 PM 12/3/4, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: The thing that bothers me most about this is that if hydrinos are producing nuclear reactions, then I would expect to see at least the occasional gamma ray. (Though there may be possible particle reactions that are far more probable than gamma ray

Sweed want to promote cold fusion in Sweeden

2004-12-02 Thread FZNIDARSIC
---BeginMessage--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/2/2004 4:08:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you support me in suggesting a similar process in Sweden? I am member in a political party and I have thought about suggesting cold fusion. Could you give me

Re: CF and Orientation .

2004-12-02 Thread Harry Veeder
on 12/2/04 5:36 PM, Horace Heffner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4:02 PM 12/2/4, Harry Veeder wrote: I misunderstood the focus of your 'gravi-chem' research. I thought your focus was D+D fusion. Is it fair to say the primary focus of your research is the critique of the conservation