Re: [Vo]:Exciting predictions from 1958

2007-05-29 Thread thomas malloy
Horace Heffner wrote: On May 27, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: Yep. Looks like there is still 5 years to go: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-04/dnl-rpb042507.php On May 27, 2007, at 10:51 PM, thomas malloy wrote: I thought is was 50 years My nephew, the power

[Vo]:Bollocks from the BBC

2007-05-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
I have never seen such a dense collection of nonsense about cold fusion or science in general: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/a1045883 See, for example: Does a phenomenon have to be totally or partially reproducible to be real? As far as science is concerned, the answer is 'totally'.

Re: [Vo]:Bollocks from the BBC

2007-05-29 Thread leaking pen
That an experiment is reproducible is the cornerstone of the scientific method. What, precisely, is your issue with the statement? As has been stated before, that is the difference between scientist and inventor. For an inventor, getting it to work now and again is enough. for a scientist, it

Re: [Vo]:Bollocks from the BBC

2007-05-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
That's an old article, by the way. There is no point to responding. I found it noteworthy because it is such a high-purity distillation of nonsense. A sort of all-in-one expression of pathological skepticism. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Bollocks from the BBC

2007-05-29 Thread Edmund Storms
Considerable confusion seems to exist around the concept of reproducibility. A phenomenon must be easily reproduced in order to be studied by science in general. Difficult to reproduce phenomenon are frequently studied by experts in an effort to discover the variables preventing easy

Re: [Vo]:Bollocks from the BBC

2007-05-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: That an experiment is reproducible is the cornerstone of the scientific method. What, precisely, is your issue with the statement? *Making* an experiment *more* reproducible is one important aspect of the scientific method, but it not the be-all, end-all goal. Many

Re: [Vo]:Bollocks from the BBC

2007-05-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Many of the key experiments in high-energy physics are so difficult to reproduce, nobody even tries. After one successful experiment they declare victory. Examples include the top quark, the PPPL tokamak, and of course, fission and fusion bombs. The North Koreans recently

Re: [Vo]:Bollocks from the BBC

2007-05-29 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: ... Perhaps they could put a link on the page: Click here to administer a painful shock to the USPS webmaster. Chances are it wouldn't work, given their inability to implement web page features, but it might give the reader a moment of psychological satisfaction. - Jed I believe

[Vo]:Comments on LENR/CANR, Hora and Miley

2007-05-29 Thread Horace Heffner
Regarding D + Pd cold fusion cathode conditions, Hora and Miley write [1]: The screened deuterons are mutually repulsed by their Coulomb field at distances less than 2 pm, but thanks to their screening are moving like neutral neutrons. Any attraction by the Casimir effect [29] is too small.

RE: [Vo]:Bollocks from the BBC

2007-05-29 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
There's a famous psychological case we read about in college: In an office cube floor, the temperature could never be set to please all. Mgmt. Added thermostats at each cube, and morale improved. The thermostats weren't connected. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL

[Vo]:Should Congress support cold fusion? I vote no!

2007-05-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is part of a message I just sent to some friends. . . . This may sound strange coming from me, but I think it is unreasonable for us to expect a congressman or government official to support cold fusion research. In fact, I think it would be irresponsible for a government official to

Re: [Vo]:Should Congress support cold fusion? I vote no!

2007-05-29 Thread Horace Heffner
On May 29, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: In other words, the failure here is in the scientific community, not in the national political leadership. I suspect this is not entirely true. Some of the failure may be due to lobbyists and political dogma. I doubt a reasonable

Re: [Vo]:Comments on LENR/CANR, Hora and Miley

2007-05-29 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 29 May 2007 12:28:49 -0800: Hi, [snip] Regarding D + Pd cold fusion cathode conditions, Hora and Miley write [1]: The screened deuterons are mutually repulsed by their Coulomb field at distances less than 2 pm, but thanks to their screening are

Re: [Vo]:Comments on LENR/CANR, Hora and Miley

2007-05-29 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: Horace Heffner The Hora and Miley article prompts suggestion of a CANR experiment. That is to codeposit uranium with Pd by using a mixed palladium chloride and uranium chloride electrolyte. When the full story is revealed - or even before - if the

Re: [Vo]:Should Congress support cold fusion? I vote no!

2007-05-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: In other words, the failure here is in the scientific community, not in the national political leadership. I suspect this is not entirely true. Some of the failure may be due to lobbyists and political dogma. True. There is plenty of blame to go around. I should have

[Vo]:Li cell question

2007-05-29 Thread thomas malloy
Vortexians; I was in stupid mode when I failed to realize that 3 Li - would produce 1 O18. I'm wondering if this is the reaction Jones was talking about? If this is the case, what kind of energy relase are we talking about? I assume that O18 a rare isotope, so an isotopic analysis of gas

Re: [Vo]:Should Congress support cold fusion? I vote no!

2007-05-29 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
I keep on saying it: Bring CF to the people - both investors and users - emphatically not the government. Once a decent application is created, advertised and sold, the people will know what to do with it. Edison and Ford understood that. Keep good ideas away from the government teat. P.

Re: [Vo]:Should Congress support cold fusion? I vote no!

2007-05-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: I keep on saying it: Bring CF to the people - both investors and users - emphatically not the government. Once a decent application is created . . . If a decent application could be created, we would not be having this discussion. If a researcher could make a cell

[Vo]:******JOSEPH NEWMAN TO BE FEATURED ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL

2007-05-29 Thread JNPCo.
**JOSEPH NEWMAN TO BE FEATURED ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL Energy machine inventor Joseph Newman will be featured on THE SCIENCE CHANNEL four (4) times this coming Friday night Saturday early morning/morning/night, June 1st June 2nd. Please consult your local listings for details. Also,

Re: [Vo]:Li cell question

2007-05-29 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Tue, 29 May 2007 20:09:54 -0500: Hi, [snip] Vortexians; I was in stupid mode when I failed to realize that 3 Li - would produce 1 O18. I'm wondering if this is the reaction Jones was talking about? If this is the case, what kind of energy relase are we