Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread thomas malloy
Nick Palmer wrote: Philip Winestone replied to me privately and, amid his assertions of his own objectivity, he wrote You obviously didn't read the article in yesterday's National Post, where the writer wrote (from a scientific standpoint) that No, I didn't. What would be the point?

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread thomas malloy
R.C.Macaulay wrote: Nick Psalmer wrote.. I have to point out that these groups you mention must be American and are therefore unlikely to be part of the internationally recognised and credible environmental groups such as Friends of the Earth International (at least 50 countries) and

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread Harry Veeder
I think the prediction was based on the evidence that Earth has been subject to periodic ice ages. Given the frequency of ice ages in the past it was simply assumed there would be another ice age sometime within the next 15,000 (?) years. Harry On 24/6/2007 7:54 PM, Jeff Fink wrote: I last

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread Michel Jullian
You're right Harry, now it seems it could be more like 50,000 yrs before the next ice age according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age : ...The Earth is in an interglacial period now, known as the Holocene. It was conventional wisdom that the typical interglacial period lasts about 12,000

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Michel wrote.. You're right Harry, now it seems it could be more like 50,000 yrs before the next ice age according to ...The Earth is in an interglacial period now, known as the Holocene. It was conventional wisdom that the typical interglacial period lasts about 12,000 years but now appears

Re: Air threads (was Re: [Vo]:Goose bumps...)

2007-06-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 25, 2007, at 3:09 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: OK Bill you have convinced me that water droplets emitted at low fields might not Coulomb-explode (low field = low charge on each droplet, e.g. a single elementary charge) and therefore might form a thin linear chain along the line of

[Vo]:Re: Air threads

2007-06-25 Thread Horace Heffner
The server is up again for: http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airexp.html and http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airthred.html The above mentions the Electric Spacecraft Journal. Anyone know if that outfit is still active? Looks like it has been a while since the last publication. I

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: Most importantly don't over look what you can do about anthropogenic climate change if it is happening, A: not a damn thing! Oh give us a break, Tom! At least you can say: I don't want to pay to fix the problem. Or: I do not feel like paying an extra dollar per gallon

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread Nick Palmer
For Jeff Fink who asked about the original climate scare of human activity precipitating an ice age:- The predominant reasoning behind this was that human use of fossil fuels at the time produced lots of micro particulates (dust and soot) plus acid gases. Acid and micro particles can act

Re: [Vo]:Beware of bogus history of lone mavericks

2007-06-25 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Jed, I got a little tired of the constant bitching on the site... Many, many words. I have more to do with my time and energy. I didn't send you the URL of the National Post (nationalpost.com) because you have to pay unless you're a subscriber... and I happen to be one. Suffice it to say

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
laughing Richard - did you write this inside or outside the Dime Box Saloon? (It would sound so French if you called it the Dime Box Salon, by the way.) P. - Original Message From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:08:16 PM Subject:

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nick Palmer wrote: Ironically, although I have never seen it mentioned by anyone other than me, the acid/particulate pollution, and therefore cooling effect, from the much larger amount of coal burnt then may have masked the warming effect from the increasing CO2. As far as I know, far more

Re: [Vo]:Beware of bogus history of lone mavericks

2007-06-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: Jed, I got a little tired of the constant bitching on the site... Many, many words. I have more to do with my time and energy. Then I suggest you stop reading my posts. Please do not complain because I add lots of details, sources, and complete thoughts with

Re: [Vo]:Air threads

2007-06-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 25, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Air threads On Jun 24, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: I had some trouble coming

Re: [Vo]:Griggs Device Observations

2007-06-25 Thread Jones Beene
Michael Foster wrote: Liquids with a high Kerr constant appear to heat up much more quickly and efficiently than say, water. Unless you tried a number of liquids to arrive at that conclusion (Kerr constant) it would seem not to be justified by just comparing nitrobenzene, which is very

Re: [Vo]:Griggs Device Observations

2007-06-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 25, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Michael Foster wrote: Several months back, I had my machinist build a very small Griggs device for use in my work. Hydrosonics only sells really large industrial size machines, or I would have just bought one. I was interested in heating certain monomers

[Vo]:We are the Aliens

2007-06-25 Thread Zachary Jones
Vs, Hope this isn't considered to be to off-topic, but with our lists connection to antigrav tech I thought this piece would offer nice perspective to the sibling-discussion of alien life. This is, really, a tasty morsel of a read. I really think it put into perspective some of the