Re: [Vo]:[OT] DOM Vote

2008-08-31 Thread Harry Veeder
on 31/8/08 1:57 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the evolution matter, what we intelligent design advocates ask to the opportunity to present our case to students. To wit, the living cell is a production facility. The definition of a P F, is that it takes that with

Re: [Vo]:[OT] DOM Vote

2008-08-31 Thread Nick Palmer
Of course a cell does not defy entropy. It takes in a certain amount of energy, uses that to reduce the entropy of the materials it takes in to make what it desires. The amount of increase of entropy (disorder) caused by the use of the energy is larger than the amount of decrease in entropy

Re: [Vo]:[OT] DOM Vote

2008-08-31 Thread Edmund Storms
Unfortunately, the personal qualities of the candidates or their religious views are not important to our basic living standards. Bush was chosen on the basis of such criteria and look what happened. If the people who vote on the basis of religious values do not start looking at the

Re: [Vo]:[OT] DOM Vote

2008-08-31 Thread Harry Veeder
on 31/8/08 9:17 am, Nick Palmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course a cell does not defy entropy. It takes in a certain amount of energy, uses that to reduce the entropy of the materials it takes in to make what it desires. The amount of increase of entropy (disorder) caused by the use of

Re: [Vo]:[OT] DOM Vote

2008-08-31 Thread Mike Carrell
Air travel safety is achieved by the analysis of crashes, which illustrate unintended design and operation defects. Economic policy matures by similar means. Aircraft designed for total safety will not fly. Commerce free of risk and greed will not function. The finger of greed points in every

Re: [Vo]:[OT] DOM Vote

2008-08-31 Thread Edmund Storms
Hi Mike, Th problem is that the lessons are learned over and over again. We have already experienced what happens when regulation is not in place, yet the Bush administration, in their profound ignorance and greed, ignored the lessons. Of course a balance is needed. What we don't need

[Vo]:Amazing changes on Phoenix stage

2008-08-31 Thread Horace Heffner
Compare: Sol 68, time 10:40:06, position 23077, FOCUS 49111, illumination blue: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=17626cID=198 to the micrograph: Sol 93, time 17:21:00, position 23104, focus 49111, illumination blue: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=25876cID=259 The

Re: [Vo]:Amazing changes on Phoenix stage

2008-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
This reminds me of how GA red clay, when saturated with water, would have ice columns grow during the freezing night and lift a layer of clay. The little white column growing on the right looks just like one of those ice columns. Terry On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Horace Heffner [EMAIL

Re: [Vo]:[OT] DOM Vote

2008-08-31 Thread Nick Palmer
Built into your analysis is the assumption that the _cell_ is somehow interested in recovering the old-energy because going up down escalators is the long term mission of a cell. A cell does defy entropy in the sense that it invests some energy in searching for new-energy inaddition to producing

Re: [Vo]:[OT] DOM Vote

2008-08-31 Thread temalloy1
Quoting Nick Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Of course a cell does not defy entropy. It takes in a certain amount of energy, uses that to reduce the entropy of the materials it takes in to make what it desires. The amount of increase of entropy (disorder) caused by the use of the energy is larger

Re: [Vo]:[OT] DOM Vote

2008-08-31 Thread R C Macaulay
Keen observation , Thomas were we discussing the political parties or science? The boys at the Dime Box Saloon have keenly observed that both the GOP and Dems have fond intentions but the desired results just ain't gonna happen. Why? because wez broke! Richard Thomas wrote, Anyone who has

Re: [Vo]:[OT] DOM Vote

2008-08-31 Thread Harry Veeder
on 31/8/08 8:10 pm, Nick Palmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Built into your analysis is the assumption that the _cell_ is somehow interested in recovering the old-energy because going up down escalators is the long term mission of a cell. A cell does defy entropy in the sense that it