RE: [Vo]:Back EMF vs Inductor Energy Storage

2009-12-30 Thread Mark Iverson
The energy is stored in the mag fld, not the inductor. Also, I've seen orbos that seemed to have a core with the toroid, and some that didn't, or at least it certainly didn't look like there was a core. I also was under the impression that the stator cores were NOT PMs, but simply iron cores.

Re: [Vo]:The Norway Spiral

2009-12-30 Thread Harvey Norris
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Terry Blanton wrote: > From: Terry Blanton > Subject: [Vo]:The Norway Spiral > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 8:13 AM > Was not a stray rocke

Re: [Vo]:Back EMF vs Inductor Energy Storage

2009-12-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12/30/2009 07:00 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Gnorts, Vorts, > > Some of us are confusing the issues above. Energy cannot be stored in > an inductor because there are no magnetic charge carriers. Hence, > when trying to open the circuit on an inductor, the magnetic field > WILL COLLAPSE. This

RE: [Vo]:The Norway Spiral

2009-12-30 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Rick: > Was not a stray rocket test. It was a test of a powerful torsion > weapon. Or so says Hoagland: >From Terry: > Was not a stray rocket test. It was a test of a powerful torsion > weapon. Or so says Hoagland: > > http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message.htm

[Vo]:Back EMF vs Inductor Energy Storage

2009-12-30 Thread Terry Blanton
Gnorts, Vorts, Some of us are confusing the issues above. Energy cannot be stored in an inductor because there are no magnetic charge carriers. Hence, when trying to open the circuit on an inductor, the magnetic field WILL COLLAPSE. This forces the potential of the two port device to approach i

RE: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread George Holz
Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:sa...@pobox.com] wrote: >The only interaction between a live electrical circuit and a physical >object on which it can do work is in step (3). In that step, the coil >is energized in such a way that it would REPEL the magnet, which is >moving away from it. Think about

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:37 PM 12/30/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 12/30/2009 03:31 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 12:14 PM 12/30/2009, Craig Haynie wrote: >> Here are two more replications: > >> The first link shows no apparent current increase as the speed of the >> rotor picks up, and tends to reall

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12/30/2009 03:31 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 12:14 PM 12/30/2009, Craig Haynie wrote: >> Here are two more replications: > >> The first link shows no apparent current increase as the speed of the >> rotor picks up, and tends to really display the effect that is >> perplexing all of the

RE: [Vo]:The Norway Spiral

2009-12-30 Thread Rick Monteverde
More like torsion on a powerful weapon, but hey - at least he was right about that 19.5 degree latitude for planetary swirls, volcanoes, sunspots, etc. R. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:14 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.co

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Craig, I don't think you get that the demonstrations show almost nothing, except that the second video you pointed to conclusively refutes the claim of no back-EMF, and quite visually, with the blinking of that neon bulb, which, as I recall, requires about 65 volts to initiate, the bulb then be

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:13 PM 12/30/2009, Craig Haynie wrote: > Setting aside the issue of over unity or free energy, what does the 'zero' meter reading mean ? a violation lenz law? a faulty meter? or meter leads located at the wrong place? Are you implying that the amp meter is not connected correctly? If so,

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:15 PM 12/30/2009, Harry Veeder wrote: Here is the same unit turned by hand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xungPOZtIo Setting aside the issue of over unity or free energy, what does the 'zero' meter reading mean ? a violation lenz law? a faulty meter? or meter leads located at the wrong

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:14 PM 12/30/2009, Craig Haynie wrote: Here are two more replications: The first link shows no apparent current increase as the speed of the rotor picks up, and tends to really display the effect that is perplexing all of these people. http://www.youtube.com/user/m1a9r9s9#p/u/2/nDABKqdB5

RE: [Vo]:Significant Implications - Kitamura

2009-12-30 Thread Jones Beene
Michel * The spread is not large for a given set of conditions. In particular there is one very important (IMHO) point which seems consistently overlooked, not just by you, which is that the binding energy is not the same on the surface (heat of adsorption) as it is in the bulk (heat of absor

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Craig Haynie
>>> If you pass a plane through the toroidal inductor, you will see that, >>> in cross section, piecewise it's the same effect. I see... thanks. But doesn't that prove his point, though, that if there is no reverse induction, then the circuits are independent? But, even if they are independent, th

Re: [Vo]:Significant Implications - Kitamura

2009-12-30 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/12/29 Jones Beene : > OK, vorticians. This is could be an important paper and topic, so let me add > one more point of clarification to Michel Jullian's point about the "heat of > combustion" of hydrogen, compared to the anomalous "loading heat" of > Kitamura's claim. > > Michel correctly find

Re: [Vo]:Personal:Little help with UFO sighting?

2009-12-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Rick Monteverde wrote: > We don't get many sightings out here, we're a distinct dull spot on the UFO > observation map. Someone searching for Obama's birth certificate? Terry

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Terry Blanton
If you pass a plane through the toroidal inductor, you will see that, in cross section, piecewise it's the same effect. Terry On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Craig Haynie wrote: > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: >> What happens when two solenoids wound oppositely pass th

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Craig Haynie
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > What happens when two solenoids wound oppositely pass through a common > magnetic field if you tie the conductors together? I suspect you would get a zero reading, but how is that relevant to this demonstration?

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Craig Haynie
> Setting aside the issue of over unity or free energy, what does the 'zero' > meter reading mean ? a violation lenz law? a faulty meter? or meter leads > located at the wrong place? Are you implying that the amp meter is not connected correctly? If so, why would the current increase at low RPM.

Re: [Vo]:Horrace help

2009-12-30 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:01 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: I see where my mistake was now that I read the work of Horrace. It was in the elastic constant K. I just used the electrical force on the proton and the lattice spacing to compute the elastic constant. I did not factor in that total fo

RE: [Vo]:Personal:Little help with UFO sighting?

2009-12-30 Thread Rick Monteverde
We don't get many sightings out here, we're a distinct dull spot on the UFO observation map. This is the my first sighting spanning 40 years here of something having a real chance of being anomalous. By coincidence we have the chief of state vacationing here, and some of the more conventional rings

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Terry Blanton
What happens when two solenoids wound oppositely pass through a common magnetic field if you tie the conductors together? Terry On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Craig Haynie wrote: > I find this video to be interesting: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_gkxfX98as > > When the power to the co

Re: [Vo]:Personal:Little help with UFO sighting?

2009-12-30 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.fastwalkers.com/ On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > From: Terry Blanton >> >> Sounds like a Fastwalker. > > Aurora? > > Regards > > Steven Vincent Johnson > www.OrionWorks.com > www.zazzle.com/orionworks > >

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Here is the same unit turned by hand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xungPOZtIo Setting aside the issue of over unity or free energy, what does the 'zero' meter reading mean ? a violation lenz law? a faulty meter? or meter leads located at the wrong place? Harry - Original Message ---

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Craig Haynie
Here are two more replications: http://www.youtube.com/user/m1a9r9s9#p/u/2/nDABKqdB538 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGPRoHgz8Rw The first link shows no apparent current increase as the speed of the rotor picks up, and tends to really display the effect that is perplexing all of these people.

Re: [Vo]:Horrace help

2009-12-30 Thread FZNIDARSIC
I see where my mistake was now that I read the work of Horrace. It was in the elastic constant K. I just used the electrical force on the proton and the lattice spacing to compute the elastic constant. I did not factor in that total force on a stationary proton is zero. I needed to calcula

[Vo]:American Chemical Society March 2010 meeting cold fusion program

2009-12-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
[News item] The American Chemical Society (ACS) Spring 2010 National Meeting & Exposition will be held in San Francisco, California, March 21 - 25, 2010. The cold fusion session at this year's conference includes 61 abstracts. Forty six papers will be presented in four sessions over two days,

[Vo]:Steorn Replication

2009-12-30 Thread Craig Haynie
I find this video to be interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_gkxfX98as When the power to the controller is switched off, no induction is measured in the stator coils. Why? Isn't this how a generator works? By moving a magnetic field across a conductor, don't we get induction, and hence,

RE: [Vo]:Personal:Little help with UFO sighting?

2009-12-30 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From: Terry Blanton > > Sounds like a Fastwalker. Aurora? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Horrace help

2009-12-30 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:59 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: I liked what you did. It gave a first approximation very good answer. Now the next thing I have been trying to get a grip on is, "What is the phonon frequency of the dissolved hydrogen in a cold fusion palladium electrode?" I don't e

Re: [Vo]:Horrace help

2009-12-30 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/12/30 : > I liked what you did.  It gave a first approximation very good answer. > > Now the next thing I have been trying to get a grip on is, > > "What is the phonon frequency of the dissolved hydrogen in a cold fusion > palladium electrode?" Haven't followed his calculation closely but I

Re: [Vo]:Horrace help

2009-12-30 Thread fznidarsic
I liked what you did. It gave a first approximation very good answer. Now the next thing I have been trying to get a grip on is, "What is the phonon frequency of the dissolved hydrogen in a cold fusion palladium electrode?" I don't even know what the restraints are. Does is move in a gro

Re: [Vo]:Horrace help

2009-12-30 Thread fznidarsic
The problem is solved. Brilliant Horrace. Frank

[Vo]:The Norway Spiral

2009-12-30 Thread Terry Blanton
Was not a stray rocket test. It was a test of a powerful torsion weapon. Or so says Hoagland: http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message.htm Terry