Hey gang,
I would like to request (ask, beg, plead, beseech, supplicate) everyone to
please refrain from OFF-TOPIC discussions in this list. It is very difficult
and time-consuming to have to wade thru the numerous off-topic posts. Filters
simply won't work in filtering for the simple
I disagree. Off topic subjects are often food for thought. Some seem off
topic at first, but turn out to be on topic.
I have often posted news items and things that caught my attention from
books I am reading that seemed off topic. After some discussion here I
realize why they caught my attention
From Bill's pages:
The Vortex-L list was originally created for discussions of
professional research into fluid vortex/cavitation devices which
exhibit anomalous energy effects (ie: the inventions of Schaeffer,
Huffman, Griggs, and Potapov among others.) Currently it has evolved
into a discussion
Jed, I agree. Cold Fusion touches every aspect of our lives and society, but
that does not mean every aspect of our lives and society is appropriate for
this forum.
One may argue that some topics are marginally relevant but surely, you can
agree that some topics are way off topic. Surely you
Jed, I agree. Cold Fusion touches every aspect of our lives and
society, but that does not mean every aspect of our lives and
society is appropriate for this forum.
One may argue that some topics are marginally relevant but
surely, you can agree that some topics are way off topic.
Surely
UPDATE:
I was asked about the EPRI data in the Ahern report - showing cooling with
titanium nanopowder, and finally got in touch with Brian.
He did not include the data in the final report, merely a summation.
He stands by the cooling effect as valid and repeatable; but the effect was not
Thanks for the update Jones. If the cooling effect is valid then it should be
pursued. Any time an anomalous occurrence is registered an opportunity to
discover a new relationship exists which may allow us to fit additional parts
of the puzzle into place.
I would assume that the cooling
Post no bills.
Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
Surely you can agree that Wisconsin politics, school lunches, dead Everest
Bodies and the like are completely inappropriate. (Although I did
find Everest Dead Bodies Interesting to say the least.)
I agree they are OFF TOPIC. They should be marked OFF TOPIC.
Jed, I believe you are missing the point.
1. Extra verbiage does not bother me, it's the clumsy mailing list format
that's causing a lot of heartache. It sends you all the mail and it clogs my
Internet pipe. (I don't have a fast pipe like you have.) The problem in not so
much in the amount
Reformat paragraphs a little. This is supposed to go:
Incidentally, school lunches are ON TOPIC insofar as a 9-year-old girl has
gotten more attention, more hits, public support and funding for her cause
in 4 days of on-line presence than cold fusion researchers have attracted
in 23 years. . . .
Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
1. Extra verbiage does not bother me, it's the clumsy mailing list format
that's causing a lot of heartache. It sends you all the mail and it clogs
my Internet pipe. (I don't have a fast pipe like you have.) The problem in
not so much in the amount of
Vortex is for me, a forum where I have old e-friends. In my opinion very
strict rules are not necessary- if somebody wants to tell me about an
interesting subject- fine. If the subject is not interesting for me, I am
deletimg the message a few seconds of work.
Peter
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:15
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
That's life. People are what they are. It isn't as if we have a better class
of primates waiting in wings, prepared to take over the world and correct
the problems caused by our nature.
I hope not, anyway. I have
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Vortex is for me, a forum where I have old e-friends. In my opinion very
strict rules are not necessary- if somebody wants to tell me about an
interesting subject- fine. If the subject is not interesting for me, I am
* Maybe you need the Mozilla Thunderbird e-mail reader. It does a good
job sorting out the threads in various ways.
Most of it is innocuous, but what you are suggesting is making lots of
people on the list go to significant trouble in order to accommodate a few
off-topic posters ... which
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Thanks for the update Jones. If the cooling effect is valid then it
should be pursued. Any time an anomalous occurrence is registered an
opportunity to discover a new relationship exists which may allow us to fit
Jed, a Forum Format is the forum format found in sites like ECatplanet.com. In
a Forum Format, the post are organized into seperate threads, where users can
only click to see a thread that interests them. Not like the Vortex mailing
list format where all threads are stuff down your email.
An LENR like technique that achieves active cooling would be an interesting
discovery. It is normal for a black body radiator to loose energy and cool
down by radiation and maybe a method exists to convert some of the thermal
energy into another form such as neutrinos that can escape any
Hey Gang, Is anyone here aware of an easy test for the presence of Carbon
Nanotubes? Easy being simple and inexpensive and accessible to ordinary
folks without expensive equipment. A Test that would quantify the amount of
carbon nanotubes would be better than simply telling me that they are
test passed!
Yesterday, Robin mentioned that under the theory of Mills, the hydrino
cannot be easily contained after it gives up significant energy - and would
eventually migrate out of the structure like a neutron (being subject to
gravity) and eventually “disappear” anyway – so there is no need for another
I don't know about nanotubes, but b-fullerene is soluable in something easy
and it turns it purpleish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullerene
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19655724
-Original Message-
From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:53
I wrote:
It brings the question of conservation of energy to the fore. If normal
LENR is like a box with a button on it, which once pressed causes heat to
spill out, can you have another box with a button that, when pressed,
causes cooling to occur? At face value, it sounds like some basic
I wrote:
The question of nickel v. tungsten is more complex than I implied. If I
remember correctly, there are experiments with tungsten in which heat was
produced.
The experiment involved titanium nanopowder, not tungsten. But I see now
that there have been experiments using titanium in
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
… don’t crush that dwarf :-)
Hand me the pliers.
(Without knowing the reference, this sounds crazy.)
T
I wrote:
So if Brian Ahern's anecdotal data are allowed, titanium can yield both
power and localized cooling (perhaps energy is being fed into the system
from the power outlet to accomplish this).
I'm all mixed up. There are the ice packs, which absorb heat during a
phase transition from
As I recall, the titanium experiments with thermal gain have been with
deuterium. Do you have reference to gain with Ti-H instead of Ti-D?
But even if titanium can go either way, and it can be determined that some
experiments with hydrogen and other “nano-metric” metals result in excess
That was helpful...
-m
-Original Message-
From: Иванов Михаил [mailto:i-...@yandex.ru]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test for the Existence of Carbon Nanotubes
test passed!
test passed!
Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langmuir_probe
Langmuir probe
A *Langmuir probe* is a device named after Nobel
Prizehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prizewinning physicist
Irving
Langmuir http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Langmuir, used to determine
the electron temperature,
test passed!
Recently Vorl Bek and Jojo Jaro have suggested, OFF TOPIC discussions should
be relegated to Vortex B, something to the effect that there is no need for
OT discussions here. ...or perhaps they are simply suggesting that maybe I
ought to pack up my bags and head for VoB. But then maybe I'm just
From Jojo
... For that matter, maybe the regular old folks here can see the benefit
of
a Forum Format and help me prevail upon Bill to convert. I find it
perplexing
why this suggestion of mine is not receiving its rightful support from old
folks. Are old folks here really that content
Reference:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MileyGHnucleartra.pdf
NUCLEAR TRANSMUTATIONS IN THIN-FILM NICKEL COATINGS UNDERGOING
ELECTROLYSIS
George H. Miley and James A. Patterson
Other key features observed in Fig. 8 and Fig. 9 that must be accounted for
by any theory include the
I'm curious as to how fellow Vorts would answer this question.
What are the chances that there is at least one undiscovered form of
energy yet to be discovered?
0=No F*in Way
1=slight chance
2=reasonable chance
3=very good chance
4=I'm certain there are undiscovered forms of energy
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
Hence, when someone adamantly relies on CoE, saying that such and such is
impossible since it would violate CoE, they are not a scientist in my mind.
I don't know about the not a scientist part, but I personally have
Mark, you ask the tough questions. When I consider the possibility of a new
energy form I have to think of the historic past. We are notoriously incapable
of imagining things such as this unless some well observed phenomenon is
unknown and accepted as true. Anything our senses can not
Eric, perhaps you noticed my reference to neutrinos easily escaping the system
along with their associated energy. That was my way of evading the CoE in the
closed environment. Actually, that was the way they were originally proposed;
a way to explain the variation in energy associated with
I’m probably sitting between 3 to 4, and here is why…
Empirical evidence for the existence of the zero-point field (ZPF) is now well
established… what that means is that there is something present that we are
only recently beginning to understand. The only important question relevant to
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:38 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons (hydrinos)
It is easy to go over the top with dramatization on this one. ...
...The interesting part (for this thread) is
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:27:19 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Perhaps the neutrons are captured in some manner and allowed to decay into
proton, electron, and an electron antineutrino. The antineutrino would easily
escape the system carrying away mass and energy.
The apparent lack of anti-matter in the universe is also conundrum
from the standpoint of CoE.
harry
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
wrote:
Hence, when someone adamantly relies on
With respect to neutrinos and beta decay, CoE may be a possibility
rather than a necessity.
Neutrinos would be regarded as incomplete entities at the moment of
their creation. They remain incomplete until they are destroyed during
a subsequent interaction. As long as they never interact, they
That is an interesting comment Harry. Are you suggesting that the neutrino is
entangled with an electron other than the one released at the time of the
decay? The oscillation between flavors of neutrinos makes that seem strange as
it would require the end receptor to change with distance and
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