That is an interesting comment Harry.  Are you suggesting that the neutrino is 
entangled with an electron other than the one released at the time of the 
decay?  The oscillation between flavors of neutrinos makes that seem strange as 
it would require the end receptor to change with distance and thus time.  Is 
the release of a neutrino significantly different than the release of a gamma 
ray regarding energy escape from a nucleus?

Please explain what you mean by the statement that they remain incomplete until 
they interact.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Veeder <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2012 12:48 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE...


With respect to neutrinos and beta decay, CoE may be a possibility
ather than a necessity.
eutrinos would be regarded as incomplete entities at the moment of
heir creation. They remain incomplete until they are destroyed during
 subsequent interaction. As long as they never interact, they remain
ncomplete and CoE remains only a possibility rather than a necessity.
Harry

n Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eric Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <[email protected]>
 wrote:

> Hence, when someone adamantly relies on CoE, saying that such and such is
> impossible since it would violate CoE, they are not a scientist in my mind.


 I don't know about the "not a scientist" part, but I personally have no
 profound attachment to CoE.  :)  Assume that CoE is understood today as:

     Eout - Ein = 0

 What if, instead, it were really:

     Eout - Ein = k

 for very small k, or, more interestingly,

     Eout - Ein = f(t)

 for f(t) ~ 0 at this time.

 Scientists see fit to posit parallel universes and dark energy and so on, so
 I see no reason to conclude that the known universe is a closed system.
  Perhaps, every time there is a reaction that involves electromagnetic
 radiation, you get a little less out than goes in, and we just balance the
 books with neutrinos and other gimics that would make Enron proud.

 My earlier comments were a futile attempt to understand how a LENR reaction
 involving titanium could be endothermic.  It's probably not all that
 difficult, as it turns out, and my lack of understanding of thermodynamics
 was getting in the way.

 Eric


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