Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Peter Gluck
NANOR scaled-up from milliwatts up. Nothing to do with vodka. Peter On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > Peter, > > Come on! Are those acronyms, flavors of vodka, ... What are you talking > about? > > [mg] > > > On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Peter Gluck wrote: > >> Easy to answer

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Gibbs
Peter, Come on! Are those acronyms, flavors of vodka, ... What are you talking about? [mg] On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Peter Gluck wrote: > Easy to answer: something GREAT(ER) - much greater, useful and efficient. > Generating intense heat, usable as a practical energy source. > Science is m

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Peter Gluck
Easy to answer: something GREAT(ER) - much greater, useful and efficient. Generating intense heat, usable as a practical energy source. Science is magnificent, technology works for us. Peter On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > I must be behind the curve ... and what might KILOR a

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Gibbs
I must be behind the curve ... and what might KILOR and MEGAR be? [m] On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: > technologists are waiting for KILOR and MEGAR > Peter > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Ruby wrote: > >> >> There was no other video of the NANOR publicly available

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Peter Gluck
technologists are waiting for KILOR and MEGAR Peter On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Ruby wrote: > > There was no other video of the NANOR publicly available other than Barry > Simon's (that I know). > > Mitchell Swartz's two summary of the course posted on Cold Fusion Times > was re-posted by me

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2013-01-31 Thread Rich Murray
"in the last decade. The world went from connected to hyperconnected", so Woodrow C. Monte methanol-formaldehyde paradigm, being true, is spreading and evolving exponentially: Thomas L. Friedman: Dan Novak: Rich Murray 2013.01.31 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2013/01/in-last-decade-world-went-from.h

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Ruby
There was no other video of the NANOR publicly available other than Barry Simon's (that I know). Mitchell Swartz's two summary of the course posted on Cold Fusion Times was re-posted by me here: http://coldfusionnow.org/2nd-week-summary-of-cold-fusion-101/ Hagelstein's video is of theoretic

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Gibbs
I read that ... which is to say I scanned it but I can't draw any conclusions from it. Anyone willing to apply their huge brain to that document and summarize it? Thanks in advance. [m] On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: >> >>> And the video is AWOL. Sigh. >> >> Damn. Well the .pdf is there: >> >> http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/0

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > >> And the video is AWOL. Sigh. > > Damn. Well the .pdf is there: > > http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/HagelsteinPdemonstra.pdf Hagelstein's series of vids are still

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > And the video is AWOL. Sigh. Damn. Well the .pdf is there: http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/HagelsteinPdemonstra.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Gibbs
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Terry Blanton > wrote: > > Swartz has been very secretive. His web site: > > > > http://world.std.com/~mica/jettech.html > Yep, that's a lot of ... er, stuff. > > Probably the most info publicly availabl

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Swartz has been very secretive. His web site: > > http://world.std.com/~mica/jettech.html Probably the most info publicly available: http://coldfusionnow.org/jet-energy-nanor-device-at-mit-continuing-to-operate-months-later/

Re: [Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
Swartz has been very secretive. His web site: http://world.std.com/~mica/jettech.html On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > Does anyone know what the status is of the Nanor device at MIT? Has it been > kept running? Has anyone duplicated the device and successfully run it? > > Th

[Vo]:Nanor

2013-01-31 Thread Mark Gibbs
Does anyone know what the status is of the Nanor device at MIT? Has it been kept running? Has anyone duplicated the device and successfully run it? Thanks in advance. [mg]

Re: [Vo]:"Margin Call" tells it like it was

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: > They ran document fraud factories in which people laughingly put down fake > names ( CBS '60 Minutes'). And nobody went to jail. > I saw that! It is appalling. I cannot understand why no one has been jailed. Especially with Obama in office. Very disappointing. People have a

RE: [Vo]:"Margin Call" tells it like it was

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Zell
Let's not forget outright fraud and theft while government regulators did nothing to touch the scofflaw 1%. There was a whole body of state and local legal tradition in regard to the transfer of mortgages that was ignored by the banksters. They ran document fraud factories in which people laug

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Craig
It wasn't the free market that failed with the mortgage meltdown. It was the federal reserve and the federal government which together created a moral hazard. Peter Schiff had it right, back in 2006. Artificially low interest rates promote consumption and distract from savings. https://www.youtube

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: > is this it? > > shortened url: > http://tinyurl.com/asqjdbx Yeah. Still not a good image, is it? Maybe they don't want to release a hi res version. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > A little more info here: > > http://www.sener-aerospace.com/AEROESPACIAL/ProjectsD/hector-cleaning-robot-system-for-heliostats/en > > There is a .pdf file out there with a bigger image but I can't find it. > > - Jed > is this it? shortened u

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Edmund Storms
I make a distinction between intelligence and stupidly. The human mind has many features that can exist at the same time, as you note. For example, a person can be insane yet brilliant. A person can be stupid yet a savant. Society has no ability to make a distinction. As a result, stupid,

[Vo]:"Margin Call" tells it like it was

2013-01-31 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Eric Walker >> Take the mortgage melt down in 2008 and following, do you think any intelligence was used by the financial industry. Yet these people almost collapsed the financial system of the West, which has led to the present financial situation. Stupid peopl

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: > Some of the world's smartest minds worked together to produce the >> financial collapse. . . . > > > Does what you describe not represent stupid behavior? Yes! It is both smart and stupid, at the same time. Most wars are like that. People who are brilliant in some ways

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Is that a John Deere? On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: > A little more info here: > > > http://www.sener-aerospace.com/AEROESPACIAL/ProjectsD/hector-cleaning-robot-system-for-heliostats/en > > There is a .pdf file out there with a bigger image but I can't find it. > > - Jed > >

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:54, Edmund Storms wrote: Take the mortgage melt down in 2008 and following, do you think any intelligence was used by the financial industry. Yet these people almost collapsed the financial system of the West, which h

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker wrote: > Some of the world's smartest minds worked together to produce the > financial collapse. They had an implicit faith in the assurances of > free-market ideology and laissez-faire . . . > What they lacked was simple common sense and concrete incentives to avoid > actions that

RE: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Zell
I have played the Market ( profitably). I never gamble or play poker. Even Malkiel in his Random Walk thesis considered that there could be exceptions (closed end funds, for example). Cold Fusion is an effect that needs to be a practical product and large companies might hate the idea, anyway

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Eric Walker
On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:54, Edmund Storms wrote: >> Take the mortgage melt down in 2008 and following, do you think any >> intelligence was used by the financial industry. Yet these people almost >> collapsed the financial system of the West, which has led to the present >> financial situation.

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: > > Dismissing Wall Street opinion on alternative energy investment leaves me > a bit speechless - as the very manifestation of the mindset condemned in > others at the start of this thread. Goes full circle, I guess. > Business investment is not an exact science. It is not re

RE: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Zell
metro.co.uk Jan 5, 2013, "Pensioners burn books to stay warm". So, the investment in alternative energy would create more jobs? Like polishing mirrors? Or do your robots do that after the coal miners/ railroad workers/utility boiler feeders go on the dole? Dismissing Wall Street opinion on a

RE: [Vo]:Online Cosmic Rays Moscow Neutron Monitor

2013-01-31 Thread Jones Beene
Hmm ... was there comment from an official source on this spike? There is not much info that I can find online. Where are higher neutron spikes shown in the data? I do not see any spikes which are higher, but they might not show up on the monthly chart. http://helios.izmiran.rssi.ru/cosray/months

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
A little more info here: http://www.sener-aerospace.com/AEROESPACIAL/ProjectsD/hector-cleaning-robot-system-for-heliostats/en There is a .pdf file out there with a bigger image but I can't find it. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed, Very Cool Glossy Picture and CSP Greenie Weenie Magazine. I will be very interested to see that thing wash 375,000 heliostats in the Mohave Desert since there are no tracks for it to run on and they are unevenly placed. How big is that water tank? Does another robot supply the water? Anyw

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart wrote: > I am a Chemical Engineer, I spent 2 1/2 years of my life helping design > the largest operating industrial solar thermal plant in the World. > Then surely you know that modern ones do not call for people driving around on tractors washing the mirrors. Here is an article

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
That's right, I forgot about those robots. Jed do you have the company address I can order those through? I need a couple around my yard and one to perform my wife's honey do list. I am a Chemical Engineer, I spent 2 1/2 years of my life helping design the largest operating industrial solar ther

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart wrote: But it also costs approx. 1/5 capital for a gas turbine of Same MW. > That is true! But the cost is falling rapidly, and it would fall a lot more with greater economy of scale. > We will also wait to see how long 375,000 mirrors/motors last in the > wind/dust swept deser

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: > > Clearly, these suffering people would benefit from more global warming > solutions. Likewise the growing number of Spanish people now living on the > street. Or the British people who are burning second hand books to keep > warm. > I doubt they are burning books, but in an

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
Yes, But it also costs approx. 1/5 capital for a gas turbine of Same MW. We will also wait to see how long 375,000 mirrors/motors last in the wind/dust swept desert You forgot the fuel cost for cleaning mirrors with farm tractors and squeegies and pumping mirror wash water from...where? I estima

RE: [Vo]:Online Cosmic Rays Moscow Neutron Monitor

2013-01-31 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
What has happened in Moscow? I don't understand the percentage. What does this mean? It has never been so high for the last 2 years, but other spikes occurred, even higher. Arnaud > -Original Message- > From: MJ [mailto:feli...@gmail.com] > Sent: jeudi 31 janvier 2013 16:30 > To: vortex

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart wrote: So does a gas turbine :) > Yes, but it costs $225 per hour in natural gas. I think. ($1.50/MHW?) - Jed

RE: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Zell
Current headline at BusinessInsider : 80% of French Think Their Country Is Bankrupt. Clearly, these suffering people would benefit from more global warming solutions. Likewise the growing number of Spanish people now living on the street. Or the British people who are burning second hand books

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: What is worse, the nature of the problem is too technical and complex for most people to understand. In the past, all problems were too complex for anyone to understand. In 1700 people did not even know that oxygen ex

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: > What is worse, the nature of the problem is too technical and complex for > most people to understand. > In the past, all problems were too complex for anyone to understand. In 1700 people did not even know that oxygen exists, and yet they ran giant cities, iron mills and

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > It works both ways. Wind turbines cover lost production from coal and > nuclear plants when they are down for maintenance. > Also, wind is sometimes more reliable and slower to vary than fossil fuel. See: http://www.awea.org/learnabout/utility/Wind-Integration-and-Reliability.cfm QU

[Vo]:Online Cosmic Rays Moscow Neutron Monitor

2013-01-31 Thread MJ
Huh? http://helios.izmiran.rssi.ru/cosray/main.htm Mark Jordan

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Edmund Storms
You are right, Chris, mankind is being confronted by a growing list of basic problems. Deciding which one is the most important is hard. All of them have the potential to cause massive pain and suffering. What is worse, the nature of the problem is too technical and complex for most people

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: > It is reported that thousands of wind turbines in the US are idle or > broken . . . > Where is this reported? Wind turbines cost $1.3 to $2 million each. I think it is highly unlikely the power companies leave billions of dollars of resources idle for lack of maintenance.

RE: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Zell
Isn't the academic view just amazing? When confronted with malaise about Bangladesh treading water in decades to come, they go all 'chapter and verse' with specifics - yet, when asked about paying the bills, they drift off into magic and mysticism. "Somehow" it will get paid for. Thank you,

Re: [Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread ChemE Stewart
So does a gas turbine :) On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > See: > > > http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/01/pg-e-approved-to-buy-power-from-solarreserve-csp-project-with-molten-salt-storage > > The molten salt gives this 10 hours of production without

[Vo]:PG&E buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/01/pg-e-approved-to-buy-power-from-solarreserve-csp-project-with-molten-salt-storage The molten salt gives this 10 hours of production without sunlight. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

2013-01-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker wrote: People will argue that consumers cannot afford the additional hit to their > pocket books. I think this misses the point, since they're already bearing > the price in other, less obvious ways, including monetarily. > Exactly. We often end up paying more than we would if the p