Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Finally, the leakage power entering the water from the pump has to be determined since it has a significant effect upon the total calculation. Even though it is on continuously, it is impossible to achieve an accurate calculation without its influence

[Vo]:Wired UK covers Lugano, Parkhomov and Cole

2015-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-01/30/cold-fusion-energy-advances-2015

[Vo]:​New type of chemical bond discovered

2015-01-30 Thread H Veeder
​ New type of chemical bonddiscovered http://www.sciencealert.com/new-type-of-chemical-bond-discovered Move over, covalent and ionic bonds, there’s a new chemical bond in town, and it loves to shake things up. It’s taken decades to nail down, but researchers in Canada have finally identified a

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Do you have information about where the ambient temperature was during this long time period? For the entire 28 hours it is: Average 16.67°C, min 15.93°C, max 17.30°C The difference between the ambient and water settles to a much larger value than

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:​New type of chemical bond discovered

2015-01-30 Thread H Veeder
​another link​ Isotope effect produces new type of chemical bond http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2014/10/isotope-effect-produces-new-type-chemical-bond ​quote In the early 1980s it was proposed that in certain transition states consisting of a very light atom sandwiched between two heavy

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread David Roberson
Jed, Do you have information about where the ambient temperature was during this long time period? I and my simulation would expect the temperature to remain constant after enough time has elapsed when the only heating source is the pump and the ambient remains constant. If we know the

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: All measurements should be accomplished with as much precision as possible, since adiabatic calorimetry is not possible without adiabatic conditions. You mean it is not perfectly insulated. No system is. When the level of heat is very small, such as

[Vo]:preparing the LENR race

2015-01-30 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Readers, I regret that I cannot offer you just now the up-to-dated Parkhomov paper but it is under way. However please read this: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/01/lenr-race-first-remove-obstacles.html and let's think together - but for Science'sake NOT do groupthink! Peter -- Dr.

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: If I were trying to do calorimetry based on the difference between the cooling water and the air, the answer would be inaccurate to the point of being useless. Fortunately, I need only compare the cooling water at the start of the test to the end of the test. We did, in fact, try

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread Bob Cook
I would say that the thermal energy from the pump which is added to the circulating water in the Mizuno experiment should be driven by the differential temperature between the body of the pump and the circulating water. In addition the differential temperature between the pump body and the

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
And . . . Here is definitive proof of what I say. It happens that Mizuno sent me a large data set which includes about 35 hours where nothing was happening. He left the computer running, and he left the heating on so the ambient temperature was reasonably stable. I see it was especially stable

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread David Roberson
I agree that the pump power is not going to screw up the calculations as long as it is constant. It looks like just any other constant signal that will be subtracted off by your technique. The same protection is given to the errors in ambient measurements such as an offset. Once you hold

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I do not get anywhere near to the 3 to 1 excess power out over input power that is reported. I am seeing a 1.25 ratio instead of 3.0 or so. Oh, I think you did see the 3 to 1 excess, and the 6:1 as well. Keep looking! Look at Table 1. You got

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread David Roberson
Sorry about the late response to this important posting. I was diverted by many interruptions and lost track of where I was before they arose. You have made so many interesting points that I may fail to address them all properly, and if that happens please send them back for another run. :-)

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread David Roberson
My model is able to take modest ambient variations into account and subtract their effect from the measured coolant temperature. This is not too difficult since the external time constant is so large. It also is able to handle pump leakage power very well. It turns out that the ambient can

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread David Roberson
Using that delta we would have 2 watts of excess heat leaking into the system. My method of determining the .67 was not using a static measurement. I did trust your number of 41000 joules per degree C. as being accurate. Once that value is pegged, the time domain response follows an RC time

[Vo]:Re:the hole truth and nothing but

2015-01-30 Thread mixent
Hi, I have updated http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/LiHy4-.pdf to take account of actual size of Li ions, at each stage, after removing electrons. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread David Roberson
This is an ongoing project I suppose. I will check the Oct 20 data again, but I believe I got roughly the same amount of excess. That seems too good to be true. What do you mean by considering that the reactor vessel is capturing 60% of the heat? Are you referring to the idea that the water

Re: [Vo]:Alternate Calculation and Calibration Method for Mizuno Report

2015-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Using that delta we would have 2 watts of excess heat leaking into the system. From the pump? That is plausible. ~1.5 W from the mechanical work of the impeller, and ~0.5 W from motor heat conduction. However, I hope you now agree that this will not