Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread CB Sites
I will confirm what @Jed Rothwell is saying as an EV owner. 90% of my travel is inner city 30miles or less all stop and go. Just an overnight charge on a 110v plugin charger and good to go. I've not seen a noticble change in my electric bill. It's like driving for free. On Tue, Apr 5, 2022,

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread H LV
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 5:28 PM Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > > On 05.04.2022 22:11, H LV wrote: > > Synthetic fuels can be used in existing gas stations. > > > This is repeating classic nonsense. Maybe it is undesirable, but it is not nonsense. > Also synthetic fuel produces NOx > what destroys

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > I don't see the point. Why spend four times more money than you need to? > Electric cars are far cheaper per mile. > It is actually 5.6 times more money per mile, because the power companies offer a huge discount for recharging overnight. In Atlanta, the power company estimates it

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > Nearly all new generating capacity is renewable, because that is almost > the cheapest. Aeroderivative natural gas is the cheapest at $1,294 base > overnight cost, but solar PV is $1,327. . . . > See also: Solar power will account for nearly half of new U.S. electric generating

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
On 05.04.2022 22:11, H LV wrote: Synthetic fuels can be used in existing gas stations. This is repeating classic nonsense. Also synthetic fuel produces NOx what destroys everything. It leads to over fertilization of forests what destroys the filigree relation between trees and soil

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
H LV wrote: > What on earth do you mean? >> >> > > A few examples: > --Volatile organic compounds > > https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/volatile-organic-compounds-impact-indoor-air-quality > > --Farming without disturbing soil could cut agriculture’s climate impact > by 30% > >

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread H LV
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:46 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > > Everything we do involves gaseous exchanges with the atmosphere. >> > > What?!? Solar and hydroelectricity do not. Wind power does, in a sense, > but it does not measurably affect the wind (the movement of air heated by > the

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > Toyota has sold more than 50'000 Hydrogen fuel cell powered cars. > Where did you find that number? They have sold 9,978 in the U.S., which is more than I expected. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/toyota-mirai-sales-figures-usa-canada-monthly-yearly/ I think there is no

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Toyota has sold more than 50'000 Hydrogen fuel cell powered cars. These cars have the highest range 800km and do not suffer from the winter dip of Li-ion battery power. Further a fuel cell produce still 50% heat for your car... Currently we have 155 fuel stations in central Europe ::

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
David L. Babcock wrote: Is anyone considering bottled hydrogen sold at gas stations? > I think that would cost a great deal of money. It takes a lot of gas to power an automobile. Think about how large the underground tanks of gasoline are in a regular gas station. In Japan they have tried a

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread David L. Babcock
Is anyone considering bottled hydrogen sold at gas stations? Was surfing and saw a link about nearly indestructible plastic containers for powering -I think it was- heavy construction equipment. Think one gallon propane tanks. Available in many/most gas stations. So neatly identical that you

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
H LV wrote: Everything we do involves gaseous exchanges with the atmosphere. > What?!? Solar and hydroelectricity do not. Wind power does, in a sense, but it does not measurably affect the wind (the movement of air heated by the sun). Fission definitely does not involve gaseous exchanges,

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread H LV
Everything we do involves gaseous exchanges with the atmosphere. We aren't going to bring about an end to gaseous exchanges by replacing air breathing vehicles with non-air breathing vehicles. What we should be doing is researching and designing more sustainable air breathing machines instead of

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

2022-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
H LV wrote: > I don't mean to sound pedantic but the term "chemically fueled" could > apply to just about any vehicle except one powered by nuclear power. > I don't mean to sound pedantic, but all cars are nuclear powered. Fossil fuel cars are powered by the sun's fusion millions of years ago;