Ed Storms wrote in the " are things really getting too complicated?"
thread.
opefully, my comments can generate ome discussion on
Vortex. After all, the usual discussion of the arious scientific
theories will have little importance if these social and economic
problems are not solved.
I
Mike Carrell
Guess what, guys, recycling is a complex, nasty problem, not easily
solved,as difficult as anything else in society, and screaming at the
governmentisn't going to fix it. Like many things, market necessity is the
driver andthings happen when it hurts enough. Yes, the government
Ed Sorms wrote
In addition, if we believe events follow God's will, we hold no
responsibility for what will occur. As this attitude takes hold, I
predict that the US will drift further and further from reality while
becoming more religious in its approach to solving problems, with each
Jed wrote..
Ford, for example, is now offering a hybrid which gets 30
miles-per-gallon, which is almost as good as a 1995 station wagon.
Thomas Friedman, a columnist for the Times, in today's op-ed section writes "
virtues that propelled ( Lance) Armstrong fading in America". The article says
Mike Carroll wrote..
I've spent hours in the presence of both Dr. Hal Puthoff and Dr.
RandellMills, but that doesn't prove anything in particular. IMO trying to
forceZPE, Casmir, BLP and LENR into the same box by saying any of these
is"really" another is quite futile in the present state of
Terry,
Yes , things are not what they seem. This statement extends to most
science.
Way back when I was in school we were taught crude oil came from dinasaurs
and decayed vegetable matter and this was in the early 1940's.
I have been posting a few " ringers" . One is that the sun may be a
Reading the posts on this subject by the various personalities in the group
only reinforces my belief that this body of thinkers have some special comaradre
that borders on the unique.
The strength of the group is not in its total agreement but it's simple
ability to function and cohere
Grimer wrote..
Interestingly enough, seeing BR as a hydrodynamic phenomena neatly
explains something which I've never understood before, i.e. why BR
produces a searchlight type beam in the synchrotron.The transition
from streamline flow in a pipe (parabolic velocity distribution) to
At 04:04 pm 22/07/2005 -0500, you wrote:BlankRichard
wrote.. Frank, a simple proof of principle of your thoughts
on catalysis can be observed with the mixing of a two part epoxy.
Try mixing a cubic inch square mold full versus a thin film layer
on a surface. The reaction and hardening
Grimer wrote..
Wrong! It has Neutral Mass. Mass is energy.And energy is
motion^2So energy can be positive or negative as exemplifiedby
strain energy (epsilon^2) which can be tensile strain energy or compressive
strain energy.So mass can be positive or negative.Mass is not a
measure of
Richard wrote..
Frank, a simple proof of principle of your thoughts on
catalysis can be observed with the mixing of a two part epoxy. Try
mixing a cubic inch square mold full versus a thin film layer on a
surface. The reaction and hardening time differs whereas the
cubic inch mold
At 12:24 pm 22/07/2005 -0700, Merlyn wrote: It is a very
compelling theory Frank, You say the nicest things, Merlyn.
8-) but I don't think it works out.But here comes the
"but" ;^)--- Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I
find myself in this situation with regard to the effect of drop in
Ed should copyright it!! It's a " natural "sez Jed !
Meanwhile back at the ranch all uz non wizards arre left to speculate, Here
goes another one..
The sun !. Ah so . The sun may be a "repeating" station that receives
energy in one " form" and transmits it in another. The
"another" has
Jones made an interesting comment on a past post regarding black holes
which gave me pause and thought. Granted that black holes remain theoretical. We
must remember that what is observed in distant space occurred some millions of
years ago and is not necessarily indicative of the present.
- Original Message -
From: RC Macaulay
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Toward the Next Crusade
Calm down Fred. You make a valuable contribution to
Vortex and yourideas are both inspiring and thought provoking.
At the risk of being banned
Grimer wrote..
It seems to me that the Crusader Particle would be a good name for
the materon/epo since like crusaders of yore it carries a cross (the
plus sign) and a sword, the negative sign.Not a politically correct
suggestion, I know, butin the week following the London bombings I
Richard wrote..
This simple analogy is the essence of the two cultures. One fatalistic
and one hopeful. One based on evil and one on good.
Ed and Jed are correct stating this group should focus on science. Cultural
studies are a science.
Allow me to correct my wording to.. One "rooted" in
Title: Re: Toward the Next Crusade
Evil is the root cause of despair.
Richard
- Original Message -
From:
Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Toward the Next
Crusade
A culture of despair has displaced a culture of
Jones wrote..
There are three 'coincidences' with this device which seem to make
it different.
Therefore, even though the device was built to accomplish one
goal, it appears closer to being the serendipitous discovery of an
interlocking set of operating parameters - which accomplish an
John.Rudiger wrote on the home on LaGrange thread...
Australia was the last country in the "Western World" to ban the use
ofHeroine as a prescription pain killer. Medical Practitioners to this
datestill claim that heroine is one of the best drugs available (better and
withless side effects
I live 12 miles outside of LaGrange Texas, better known for the famous Texas
" chicken ranch" ( the greatest little whore house in Texas) where no
politician on his way to Austin was ever turned away without be " serviced".
Alas! the ranch is long gone but the world of politics has remained.
The two S's . Staven and Stephen present a valid solution to drugs as many
have proposed over the decades since China woke up one morning with a drug
problem " Opium wars"
The wicked witch of the west caught a splash of water in the face and went
down screaming.. you wretched child !!
Ah! Ozone..
Surely there is a better technology to use for generating ozone gas for
disinfecting water in quanities. The systems I have seen appear stone age.
Somebody out there has generated ozone using another technology that may fit
what I am looking for.
Richard
Michael Huffman wrote...
My picture is of a somewhat variable elastic H atom that is able absorb
and store some of the energy of the impact of H+H recombination but not
enough to allow an H2 molecule to stay together until a sufficient amount of
energy has been stored in the two individual
Jones wrote..
is there any place where onemight expect to see large scale evidence
of such an effect - in terms ofenergy being "coupled" but in a place
where it shouldn't be?
Yes Jones.. Arctic and antarctic. Shouldn't be snowpacks that deep. Can't
happen.
Richard
Jed wrote..
The "Wind Force 12 Plan" calls for wind power to supply 12% of world
electricity by 2020. . . . The plan calls for 1,245,000 MW total wind
capacity, 26 times more than we now have.I have wondered if
anyone has built a windmill like the Schauberger theme .
Shortcut to:
Grimer wrote..
The situation is completely analogous to the Alpha-atmospheric (A-a)
pressure environment. The ambient atmospheric pressure is 14.7 pounds
per square inch (psi). Any pressure below 14.7 psi is a vacuum of some
degree. Unfortunately, long ago the electron was
arbitrarily
Terry,
Our local county has been providing some alternate design concepts to
TxDot's new TransTexas Corridor plan for the state ( TxDot's plan includes
a 1200 foot wide transportation corridor containing lanes set aside for
rail, autos, trucks, busses plus pipeline and electric powerline
Are you referring to contractors like Spaw-Glass Inc. Contractors of
Nashville , now controlled by mideastern group?
Richard
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: [OT] Transit Alert
We have
Jones,
True of Mike's writing... well said, insightful and informative. Makes me
appreciate the company we keep here in Vortex.
What a great group.!!
Richard
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:05 AM
I will pose a question to Terry.
What do the small, seemingly obscure sentences in Judges 8: 1-2 seem to
you ?
( a member of the tribe of Ephraim speaking to Gideon, a member of the
tribe of Manasseh ).
Why have you treated us like this? Why didn't you call us when you went to
fight
Richard wrote..
For the past two thousand years man has attempted to understand
" Revelation", the last book in the bible. Perhaps this emerging
generation will be given the insight of understanding this writing that
promises a blessing to all that study the letter from Jesus Christ to
Reading these posts can become addictive. Some of the insight is profound.
Lets continue the post and include more comments.
The world is blessed with writers with insight and they have provided us
partial answers to trends in world cultural shifts. Unfortunately, their insight
is predicated
Jed, This should get you to the links on the nozzles Dynaflow has
done extensive work and testing of various nozzles as thier website indicates.
Never could understand how they could spend that much money and effote until I
found their website and learned they use " Uncle Fed" for research
Another link on Kowalski
http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/
Richard
Terry..
What supposedly happened at ITT, my early years employer ?
Richard
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: proposed fusion reactor
From: Christopher
Richard Hall knows what happened
Grimer wrote...This is a truly wonderful piece of experimental
evidence. All it lacks is an explanation of what'sgoing
on.
http://www.dynaflow-inc.com/
http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/
Interesting observation Frank. I wasthinking aboutthe
impact while thinking about the JLN Labs
Looking at the Russian patent drawing in the link by Dr. Arrison, the
nozzle configuration looks like a knockoff of DynaFlow Inc patented nozzles.
DynaFlow has the advantage of SBA grants for innovative research because they
know how to write a grant.
Richard
Jones wrote, Grimer wrote..
Professor James Tuck had access to a submarine battery redundant
from another experiment at Los Alamos. After many attempts to
create a ball lightning discharge -which failed- he enclosed the
switchgear in a small cellophane box and added a low
concentration of
Stephen , you may add to the spinning top the silver dollar
spin.Spinning a new silver dollar on a hard clean flat surface can
be a study in itself considering the amount of energy released across the entire
range of spin until it is perfectly still. Even in its final throws of decay,
the
R.C Macaulay wrote..
Having mentioned in prior posts my interest in "quadratic
computing" ( use of 4 computers rather than 2 ( parallel
computing),Stephen Lawrence wrote...
4 computers? I don't understand.
The concept of using 4 computer in quad form rather than parallel. The
thought being
Grimer wrote..
107:10. Moab the pot of my hope. Over Edom I will stretch
out my shoe: the aliens are become my friends.
My bible reads
Psalms 107:10
Some sat in darkness and the deepest gloom,prisoners suffering in iron
chains, (11) for they had rebelled against the word of God.
Obviously
Stephen Lawrence wrote
I'm over at http://www.physicsinsights.org/The
Glue Function is a fascinating study. Did you compose these works Stephen?
Having mentioned in prior posts my interest in "quadratic computing" (
use of 4 computers rather than 2 ( parallel computing),
I am elated to find
Grimer wrote
One can rush in and utter terrible heresies in all innocence.
Many a true word is spoken in jest. What is amazing is the stimuli stirred by
such.
For example, The main vortex cone produced in our glass water test tank by
the high rotational speed of a distributor sheds mini
Bill Beaty wrote..
"so the Triboelectric Series for cotton touchingRayon (etc.) does not
apply. That's how "anti static dryer sheets" work"
Interesting instructions given in Exodus and Leviticus regarding the
garments to be worn by the high priest.. linen with gold adornments. No wool or
Jones wrote...
Taking Fred's "steam electricity" posting to the next level - can the
self-generated electricity phenomena of steam be used in situ - to any net
energy benefit? or stated another wayCan two wrongs (near misses)
ever make a right?Most everyone on this forum is familiar with
Welcome to Texas where nobody's life nor property is safe when the Texas
Leg is in session.
Keep you eye on the magician's sparkler. If you take you eyes off you not
be playing according to the rules. Once upon a time there was a company called
Houston Lighting and Power ( HLP). It was a
Mark,
Thanks for posting the link. The Chorus motor claims are also interesting.
I asked them for info on motor power efficency.
Richard
Dr.Swartz,
Thanks for the post. Uplifting.
Richard
John,
Sometimes we try to go to far in attempting to please opposition.
In the case of CF, it is only necessary to call attention to a common
"physics demonstration of CF". That demonstration is evidenced by
hailstones.
The weather experts have various explanations for them however the
While on the subject of CF. The reports resulting from CF research tests
indicate some otherwise unexplained energy release.This may be a reactive
attempt by mother nature to protect her own, A Jealous and modest protective
woman can react in strange ways. What is presently described as
Steven mentions SBC in his comments on Vonage. Vonage is already in the USA
as part owner of the telecon industries. Some actually believe SBC, Verizon,
Cingular and ATT are competitors.
Lets look at them: SBC just bought ATT, Verizon( the old General
Telephone or later GTE, Cingular is SBC
Perhaps the silence can be attributed to the Bob Lazer article contained in
the Las Vegas news.. see link
I chuckle at this guy.
GM has spent a small fortune researching metal hydrides for storing
hydrogen gas safely for automotive use and Bob comes up with a home made 25 ft
particle
Jones wrote..
Maybe that degree of dedicatied wierdness comes with the territory.
Oops, sorry Richard, but I was refering to the surname, not the great state
of Texas... or as we like to say in May-he-co, Tay-hoss.
No hay differencia en punto! Jones.
Few can laugh harder at Texas than
Some design problems have no solution. Some have solutions
requiringsmall or severe compromise. Some have beautiful simplistic
solutions.Spending countless hours dailyin the design and
development of a reactor unit that holds hope for pretreating seawater for
reverse osmosis (RO), I often
In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Tue, 17 May 2005
07:15:53-0500:Hi,Hi Robin,The M.W.Youds website mentions
patents for his device operating at 7225 RPM to achieve the result he
reported. He mentioned gamma radiation present so we are
careful.I found loads of stuff on his web page, but
Reported by the Washington Bureau written by David Ivanovich.
The US Senate received a taste of George Galloway, a member of Parliament
from Britain.
Responding to a Senate inquiry, Galloway belittled the inquiry as " utterly
preposterous" and challenged the Senators on
the fairness of the
Frank, consider the amount of energy expended daily in the quest to reduce
fat. People actually pay money to go to the spa and workout. Couple the
electric power output from the treadmill to batteries and the energy problem
solves itself. Better still ride a bicycle as we will all be riding
Hi Robin,
The M.W.Youds website mentions patents for his device operating at 7225 RPM
to achieve the result he reported. He mentioned gamma radiation present so
we are careful.
Our standard gas inductors run at 3450 RPM.
We are working on a design for speeds to 10,500 RPM with VFD drive. Design
Ron,
The cavitation products made by Hydro dynamics
Inc. apparently differ from the device used by Knuke. Dr. M.W Youds
website has a vortex device that may be closer to what Knuke worked with. Youds
speculated some " events' could occur that may be what happened to Knuke.
We keep a gieger
Robin,
There is a belt of hot water wells that traverse across Texas from
Kilgore to Laredo. Many of these wells have a high H2S content . Along with
the belt is lignite coal deposits. Yellowcake has been mined along the
western extremity by Amoco in past years. Do you suppose we have a
If they say so, it must be true.
Richard
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OOPS!! June 2005 issue
- Original Message -
From:
RC Macaulay
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: Popular Science Jume 2007
Einstein" Master of the Universe"
If they say so, it must be true.
Richard
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Frank, When I consider a tool for analysis of the SMOT , I keep returning to
the thought of quadratic computing. Such a system for mathematical modeling
would permit the answer to be loaded and the formula derived.. hehe.. the
ultimate in reverse engineering. hmmm,, not so far out
Hi Keith,
Yes, I noticed the report about legislation in Congress regarding the
national ID card. In Texas, there is a bill pending that
permits the Texas Dept. of Transportation ( TxDot) to implant a
transponder into each new vehicle registration sticker that affixes to the
windshield.
Hi Jones,
We are in an ever increasing state of change in the world to which a
significant factor is the computer and its manifestations like the
internet, the X Box and an increase in worldwide scientific cumulative
understanding.
I mentioned a tiny segment of change coming in mathematics
Grimer wrote
Now the implication of the magnetic lines of force not being
orthogonal to the current carrying wire is that they form a tightly wind
spiral which starts and finished at a charged particle. In short the charge
particle is acting as a turbine taking in Chi-aether [chi being the
Grimer wrote
If nothing else SMOT has made us think about the possibilities.
I have fellowship with a retired airline pilot that has weather eye. I have
mentioned the " strange" vortices shed from the main vortex created in our glass
test tanks.( while the main vortex is spinning) ,
In
Is it my imagination or is there a churning going on with Wall Street. The
seesaw is too balanced as if a giant computer program has control of the
game. It fluctuates at near 150 back and forth weekly.
Some opinions have it that IF the Dow drops below 10K there is NO
bottom.
Some opinions
RICK, Thats peanuts, Houston spent a Bil on a 9 mile toy train. BushTexas
and BushFlorida have it going. Texas has a 180 Bil tollway starting .. see
www.corridorwatch.org to learn how the smart money does it.
Cintra of Spain won the bid to construct the first section. Gov. Perry
signed the
From reading Carroll it is apparent he had a humor to temper his intellect.
As time goes by I am coming to realize that CF will emerge just as I am
considering the major movement will occur as the result of new mathematics
rather than physics alone. Carroll relied upon his math wisdom and
Thanks Mark Goldes for making mention of the connection with DeGeus
and Shell. As I recall the news article , Shell emphasized the point that
Shell was spending their research money on hydrogen.
Looking at the background of Shell's new US head, I see he has worked with
the "right" people ..
Jed, So much language is lost in translation yet the English language has
become the language of the world of business, air travel and encroaching
into science as a universal medium for the exchange of ideas via the
internet.
Picking up on your color comment, in Rev.21:19 , the writer
The first lesson given in art is there are 3 primary colors. Interesting
the ancient Americans used the same word for green and blue, mystified that
learned white people would use two different words to describe what they
considered to be the same color.
On the disbursing of light an entire
There are credible sources that also question BLP supposed claims. Granted
they have moved the subject ahead but the due diligence remains in stage.
A recent interview carried by the Houston Chronicle with the new head of
Shell Oil USA is revealing. The new head stated that Shell is spending
Indeed !! Frank. For the use of a better word we use component
Watching video of some of the large forest fires over the recent past, I was
fascinated with the video shots that captured the occasional fire storm
or chimney vortexes created along the sharp inclines of mountain slopes as
the
Observing the vortex produced in a clear plexiglas tank of water by a high
speed rotating member facing down with a clockwise rotation I notice the cone of
the vortex is at the surface and counterclockwise due to the vortex
curling 180 degrees from the face of the rotating member up to the
are naturally smarter now, it wouldnt be degenerated, as nothing
had yet been generated, yes no? On 4/25/05, Stephen A.
Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RC Macaulay wrote:Leaking Pen
wrote and i notice, you still havent
answered my question. you might want to stop jabbing
that strawman
Seems antiquity is loaded with examples of engineering and architectural
works that have us thinking that perhaps the people of that age were intelligent
beings and had not degenerated which seems to contradict the Darwinian
theorists.
Jones.. look at the ceiling construction.
Back to
Leaking pen wrote..
how... does that refute darwinian theory? at the point that
humanstook control of the environment, we no longer had to adapt as much
tosurvive, therefore one WOULDNT assume that we are simply
moreintelligent than previous humans, we simply know
more.take your personal
This thread may being growing legs of its own. Consider the updraft tube
need not be lengthy nor have a diameter greater than
40-50 meters. based on 6:1 ratio. Schauberger once studied a variation of
this.
A vortex can be induced at the base which would supercharge the draft.
Hmmm.. I need
Robin writes,
BTW there are some low mountains in central Australia, in themiddle
of the desert, that run more or less east-west, and havesteep sides. Perhaps
not as high as one might like, but it wouldmake a good start.
The combination of solar and wind energy can be harnessed for the wind
Windfarms
The cost of construction of a windfarmis partially offset by tax
incentives. The cost of maintenance is high. Notice how many towers are out of
service at any time. The stress of the windshear as the prop passes the pylon
isa cause of blade fatigue.
Jed mentioned there is no
Hmmm.. the link Pliliplaven link that Grimer posted showing the graphs has
me intrigued.
http://www.philiplaven.com/p20.html
In my mind's eye, I keep seeing a spiral, perhaps a helix pattern in lieu of
a seeming random of the imaginary shown in graph 6.
Look carefully at graph 5 again, do I
Jed,
Your post is whats called a reality based observation because its so
true and real.
Mentioning DEC brought back some of the 1970's to me. We bought our
first "computer" in 1972, a DEC PDP-8L. Plan was to use it in a design study and
demo for bidding a portion of a North Sea project for
Horace,
Sensible , moreso than the solar tower at 3500ft tall.
Combine the idea with several inclined updraft tubes along the face of
the mountainside for wind turbines and you have a winner.
Richard
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Adding to Horace's thread, the draft tubes could be simple 36 ft diameter
corrogated drainage culvert mounted on the incline in length sections as long as
the incline.
A converging cone of less than 15 degrees with a cone shaped prop
configuration positioned in the converging cone that
Stephen Lawrence suggestion on gas tax presupposes integrity in government
which cannot exist because the political animal cannot be tamed or constricted
by money. Money unleashes the beast. The beast must be starved.
Last year a seemingly nebulous bill passed as an " adder" to some law. The
Frank, We believe UV plays a crucial role in the recharge process
but .. some enhancer is working behind the scenes in the great
Shakesperian drama.. perhaps we are watching part of the third act while the
first has not yet been played out.
Duke University has the socalled ultimate FEL
Kelvar properties include " cold flow" which shoots the material down for
use for cable.
Richard
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Jones suggested trying microwaves at the resonant frequency of water(
22Ghz) to aim down the hollow shaft.
Hmmm. That would take a calibrated tube diameter. We had thought of
installing thin wall tubing inside the hollow shaft coming in from the top, but
surrendered the idea in favor of
Jed,
Thanks for sharing the link to the Japanese pastel art exhibit. My
wife has taught pastels for some years and presently teaching an ancient art
form " encaustics" a wax-oil mix heated after application.
Very good work shown in the exhibit by the Japanese artists.., that can
show us
The thought of water having properties in the order of a capacitor begs the
question of HOW or what exactly triggers the discharge. Thinking of the energy
discharged across the duration of a hurricane or tornadois astounding
because anactual buildup of energy occursas the storm
intensifies.
As our applied research continues on an inductor that generates higher
rotational speed vortexes up to 10,000RPM, one of our tasks include designing a
hollowshaft unit that will permit firing a UV laser light directly into the
center cone of the vortex together witha sonic gun that can shoot
FW Lew, interesting gif 's shown on your link.
You mention reversing the rotation of a vortex. We have a plexiglas test
tank used for observing the generation of a vortex by a mixer.. see www.gasmastrrr.com for a view of the vortex
pattern induced by a 3450 RPM rotating member.
Using a 3
Akira,,
Vorts never move, grin a plaeasnt diversion for science merely
stimulates the group.
For example.
Next generation windmills.
A tower the height proposed for wind electric power generation by the
Australians would be overkill. Harnessing the vortices shed by a tower in the
shape of
Thanks Frank and Jones, I often use the GSU physics website for
reference.
From the series of posts on this thread I suggest water has the ability to
mimic the energy storage abilitylike a capacitor has the ability to
store an electric charge. From our work using vortex mixing some
I choose not to get into a p*iss*ng contest with Keith and Ed over
religious beliefs. I stated my thoughts.
As for the state of the nation, I suggest that Washington is the place
where it is not nearly as important to win as it is to make sure the other
guylooses.
As for laws of the land,
Frank, I have been studying the posts on this thread with ever increasing
interest. Finally, a simple like me DID grasp your simplified math and "
shazzam" I saw another side.
Richard
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In the never ending game of musical chairs the ownership of Texas power
plants has an interesting history. Houston Lighting and Power Company ( Old
Houston Electric Company owned by Stone and Webster) partnered with City of
Austin ( Austin Power) andCentral Power and Light (CPL, now AES)to
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