Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-24 Thread Standing Bear
On Friday 19 January 2007 13:30, Jed Rothwell wrote: The lead story in today's Yomiuri newspaper (in Japanese) says that Bush will announce new steps to address global warming in his State of the Union speech on Jan. 23. He will emphasize ethanol and other alternative fuels. Sigh . . .

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-24 Thread Standing Bear
On Friday 19 January 2007 14:53, Jed Rothwell wrote: leaking pen wrote: Well, besides the issues that have been shown with too much corn syrup . . . As I said, one third of the people who will do not get enough to eat. Too much corn syrup would be far better than starvation. shipping foods

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Thanks! Excellent and informative rant! I had a question. Standing Bear wrote: The ribs are almost as flat as a sheet of paper. I know of no pig or cow that has flat rib bones that have edges sharp enough to cut a dinner roll and a thickness no more than three millimeters and a width of

[Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
The lead story in today's Yomiuri newspaper (in Japanese) says that Bush will announce new steps to address global warming in his State of the Union speech on Jan. 23. He will emphasize ethanol and other alternative fuels. Sigh . . . Well, at least there has been some anti-ethanol press

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread leaking pen
since part of the process of making ethanol is making corn syrup, which converts a lot of the partially digested starches to sugars, yes, actually, the whole process is likely more effecient to burn then to eat. also, corn is already in just about everything we eat. we grow more corn than we

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: since part of the process of making ethanol is making corn syrup, which converts a lot of the partially digested starches to sugars, yes, actually, the whole process is likely more effecient to burn then to eat. Well, that's good. . . . also, corn is already in just

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread leaking pen
Well, besides the issues that have been shown with too much corn syrup, shipping foods grown here overseas not really all the econmocal. better to get growing programs going, personally. I fail to see how it uses more fossil fuels than fuels it produces, please share. And it will also help

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: Well, besides the issues that have been shown with too much corn syrup . . . As I said, one third of the people who will do not get enough to eat. Too much corn syrup would be far better than starvation. shipping foods grown here overseas not really all the econmocal.

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread leaking pen
That type of growing would be what i meant by more efficient. agreed. a single multistory building with perfect climate and soil control would be great. hell, run pigs and cattle on the top floor, and drop fertilizer down. On 1/19/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: leaking pen wrote:

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: That type of growing would be what i meant by more efficient. agreed. a single multistory building with perfect climate and soil control would be great. Except that you cannot produce ethanol from that because the light from indoor agriculture has to be artificial. There

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed Rothwell wrote: I hope that we can soon grow meat in vitro, instead. - Jed ...or Star Trek style replicators to make any kind of food you want. Harry

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: ...or Star Trek style replicators to make any kind of food you want. In the far distant future -- thousands of years from now -- I expect that something like replicators will exist, and they will make anything we want. Any object, not just food. However, I am talking

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: ... If in vitro or cultured meat pans out, and the product tastes about as good as natural meat, or better, that I for one would be happy to eat nonaturally grown meat ever again. I am not a vegetarian, but I sympathize with their concerns. I am a hypocrite about this. So as

Re: [Vo]: Yomiuri: Bush to promote ethanol in State of the Union

2007-01-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: I believe the esteemed Mr. Clark also suggested we should stop burning petroleum and learn how to eat it as well. ;-) He did, and it is a darned good idea. Actually, for the most part we do this already, since we use petroleum-based fertilizer. Oil consumed as food also