Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-16 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > > On 14 December 2011 21:24, Zell, Chris wrote: >> How much government spending goes to the richest 1%?  Very little, I >> think. > > This is the very problem of current socialist policy. However, if we use 99% > of collected tax revenues

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda wrote: just a link > http://davecline.posterous.com/the-implications-of-free-energy > > some good ideas > I disagree with one of the author's main points, which is: "Although it might seem that way on first ponder, unfortunately free energy would fail to release humanity from those

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
just a link http://davecline.posterous.com/the-implications-of-free-energy some good ideas 2011/12/14 Zell, Chris > >

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
interesting vision. basic income is a liberal version of the basic public interest services : basic education, transport, food, culture... it can be criticized because nothing prevent you to use basic income to gamble on horses or drink, instead of educating your kids or building your competence..

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 14 December 2011 21:24, Zell, Chris wrote: > How much government spending goes to the richest 1%? Very little, I think. This is the very problem of current socialist policy. However, if we use 99% of collected tax revenues to support purchasing power of middle class, that is we have basic inc

RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Zell, Chris
in consequence? From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 3:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy my estimate is the the 1% will try to privatize

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Alain Sepeda
my estimate is the the 1% will try to privatize LENR, like they privatize globalization those 30 last years (since reagan/thatcher)... that is the danger but lenr hace bad caracteristic for that unlike green helps 2011/12/14 Zell, Chris > ** > How much government spending goes to the richest 1%

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, a direct estimation is not possible. I wonder then if some kind of parameter could be used to analyze that. I guess trying to be fair is better. 2011/12/14 Zell, Chris > ** > How much government spending goes to the richest 1%? Very little, I > think. You have to allow for some *discretion

RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Zell, Chris
How much government spending goes to the richest 1%? Very little, I think. You have to allow for some discretion, for God's sake! They invest in Congress (lobbyists, re-election cash and outright bribes) and get - not outright cash in return but rather legislation that inhibits competition, o

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Only a kind of socialism? Why do you think they wore red uniforms? :) http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html BTW, concerning government spending, how much of that goes to the 1%? 2011/12/14 Zell, Chris > ** > I absolutely hate to admit it but these disruptive technologies

[Vo]:Cold Fusion and the Star Trek Economy

2011-12-14 Thread Zell, Chris
I absolutely hate to admit it but these disruptive technologies will force income redistribution on the world to a degree never seen before. Indeed, I think that's already starting to happen. While mobs in NYC protest the evil "1%", wiser heads understand that this 1% now pays 43% of NYC tax re