Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Was that not Al Gore? The Internet, which is the most important computer application yet invented, was designed and implemented by U.S. government programmers, and paid for entirely by the government, until very late in its development.

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
Sine I watch LENR I follow also entrepreneurship subject. first of all i disagree with the vision that all job will disapear, as I rather see that it will change and we only see what will disapear and not what will appear. second I see that the problem is not technology but the lack of risk

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
It's also somewhat correct. THe only point he is missing out is that AI will obviate the need for most software engineers. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The way things are going,

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
This isn't anything to do with the luddite movement. Please! This has to do with the fact that we need to revamp our economic system to facilitate this change. Minimum income, that sort of thing. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: I see nothing

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Frank Znidarsic fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Was that not Al Gore? The Internet, which is the most important computer application yet invented, was designed and implemented by U.S. government programmers, and paid for entirely by the government, until very late

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-13 Thread Lennart Thornros
OK Axil maybe my writing was a little abbreviated. I said programmers, I really meant government initiated education in general. It is of course possible you are right that if everyone has programming skills we will soon have more software than we need. The scenario you describe is not a future I

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-12 Thread Lennart Thornros
I see nothing wrong with that the company find a way to save money. Sorry, that people will lose their jobs. Many blacksmiths never got the chance to supply the market with horseshoes but we do not see that as some kind of cathstrophy. No, there is nothing wrong so far. I have said so before we

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The way things are going, most jobs will require software skills. Each person will pit himself against the competition of the other 10 billion software workers in a world who are all interconnected by instantaneous

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Actually, I have mixed feelings on the matter. I hate to say anyone lose their jobs, no matter how hefty their wages might seem to the average worker making far less annually. Losing any job

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *A government school to make everyone a programmer will fail. It has been tried thousands and thousands times only this year and it never succeeded. * I do not know who said that, but it is completely ridiculous. Totally false. It is just the opposite! The

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-12 Thread Axil Axil
*A government school to make everyone a programmer will fail. It has been tried thousands and thousands times only this year and it never succeeded. * If programming is the only jobs to be had, then everybody must become programmers. Law and medicine will become automated by expert programs.

RE: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-12 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Eric: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/06/driverless-truck-to-hit-albertas.html By decommissioning drivers of the huge trucks that are used at mines and switching to driverless trucks in the near future, the CFO of Suncor, a Canadian mining outfit, implies

RE: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-12 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Fair warning. The following is personal pertaining to the loss of jobs and reduced pay: Feel free to ignore the following personal rant if so inclined: I would like comment on another profession, one that is more personal to me, a profession some in our society would like to gut as the

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
I've travelled in Nepal in the 90s. they explaine me that people tried to use donkey to transport flour and cement , instead of by human back. It was stopped because people were furious and block all the mountain. the standar human donkey hold 80kg on his back, if the client is local, and 40kg

[Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

2015-06-11 Thread Eric Walker
See: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/06/driverless-truck-to-hit-albertas.html By decommissioning drivers of the huge trucks that are used at mines and switching to driverless trucks in the near future, the CFO of Suncor, a Canadian mining outfit, implies that the company could