Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the democrats are shifting the blame.
The law makers have a duty to make sure that people behave in a civilised
manner. If you create an environment where people can panic in a crowded
theatre
The President is the one who cried fire, not the
Remi Cornwall wrote:
They are forever talking about the character of the republicans but one
needs to look at the character of the left: a motley crew of the
self-loathing, anarchists, vandals, control freaks, low standards, low
achievement, anti-patriotic scumbags.
More total crap from Remi -
Jed wrote
Republicans thought it stank. The vote was:
Democrats 140 Yea, 95 Nay
Republicans 65 Yea, 133 Nay
More to the point snip
Even more to the point, voters are liking it about 10:1 against. So who's
doing the representin' here?
And Jeff is right, twice. Dems have the majority, no
--On Monday, September 29, 2008 5:12 PM -0700 Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ron Wormus wrote:
I tend to agree with Paul Krugmen on this one--he hates Bush, doesn't like
Wall Street,
but thinks the bailout's necessary. analysis:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
Yes but maybe he
Rick Monteverde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even more to the point, voters are liking it about 10:1 against. So who's
doing the representin' here?
As I mentioned, the U.S. system is not direct representation.
Representatives are supposed to use their own judgment. Nothing in the
Constitution
OrionWorks wrote:
Leak sez:
I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that
a human wouldnt know waht a bee was.
I could be wrong.
I have not read PKD's novel, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.
However, in the film adaption Blade Runner it seemed obvious to
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: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they
show no interest in doing so. The cause of the problem
Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they
show no interest in doing so. The cause
be
it cash, stocks or bonds.
Terry.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News
, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they
show no interest in doing so. The cause of the problem is
obvious to
anyone who has looked at reality. Many mistakes were
PM, Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer
Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they
show no interest in doing so. The cause
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question
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wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and
they
show
$105,849 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lobbyists.
Would you acknowledge this and the above or are you too partisan?
_
From: Remi Cornwall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 00:59
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Lots of good stuff
this and the above or are you too partisan?
From: Remi Cornwall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 00:59
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Lots of good stuff: http://www.capmag.com/
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 September 2008 23
- Original Message
From: Edmund Storms
The choice is always the lesser of two evils. We never get perfection. Obama
has less baggage than McCain, he is smarter, and he has a better plan.
Far less baggage --
... and speaking of the overloaded portmanteau almost too ponderous to
- Original Message
... apparently Remi does not remember the infamous Keating Five -
... from the net, a little refresher lesson in how recent political history
has this nagging tendency to repeat itself every new generation:
John McCain The Ghost of Keating Five
posted last week
or are you too partisan?
_
From: Remi Cornwall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 00:59
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Lots of good stuff: http://www.capmag.com/
_
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
- Original Message
... apparently Remi does not remember the infamous Keating Five -
... from the net, a little refresher lesson in how recent political
history has this nagging tendency to repeat itself every new generation:
John McCain
From Remi Cornwall
The less government the better. Trust your constitution that's why it was
written.
Silly me to think this but less government would appear to have
resulted in nobody minding the store, nor the constitution for that
matter. And look where that got us.
Regardless of whether
.
New energy will empower people to self-reliance.
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 16:08
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
- Original Message
... apparently Remi does not remember
why it was
written.
New energy will empower people to self-reliance.
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 16:08
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
- Original Message
... apparently
constitution was forged in the light of the Enlightenment.
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 17:27
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Less government on the individual. MORE on the corporation
constitution was forged in the light of the Enlightenment.
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 17:27
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Less government on the individual. MORE on the corporation
From Remi Cornwall:
I'm not convinced about the need for more government.
It attracts the Machiavellian type who don't deal in facts and distort truth
(such as blaming the credit crunch on the free market when the demos vetoed
reform).
It attracts unproductive hangers-on to big public
the
right.
The American constitution was forged in the light of the Enlightenment.
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 17:27
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Less government on the individual
? When
do
governments vote themselves less power?
I'm in agreement about corporations.
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 18:08
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
The American constitution was formed
Remi Cornwall wrote:
How do you regulate government then? Who governs the governors? When do
governments vote themselves less power?
That's a odd question. Democratic governments never vote on anything.
Only the voters do.
US and British voters have repeatedly given our governments
@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
The American constitution was formed with the concept of freedom for
people, and that coorporations would do their best to oppress people.
And they were right. They had the East Indies Trading Company, they
knew what evil could
forth) and many more I could find if I was
a lawyer and constitutional expert.
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 18:58
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
What is a government? You treat it like some
and
Investigative
Powers Act - phone tapping and so forth) and many more I could find
if I was
a lawyer and constitutional expert.
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 18:58
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Jed*: If you think they give back 'their' powers then I think you are living
in cloud cuckoo land.
I said the voters took power back. Please do not distort my words.
Are you under the impression that tax rates in the U.S. are still
90%? Is rationing still imposed in the
On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
The power of government always grows.
Except when it shrinks.
Of course some laws are repealed and some are no longer enforced
unless you get caught doing something that threatens the government.
Nevertheless, the
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:08 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
- Original Message
... apparently Remi does not remember the infamous Keating Five -
... from
Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 19:41
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Edmund Storms wrote:
The power of government always grows.
Except when it shrinks.
That's a rather silly thing to say, Ed. If it always grew then we
would
I guess you'd make a great Chinese citizen.
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 19:48
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote:
Ed
Remi Cornwall wrote:
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
I just want to stop this simplistic notion GOP/Tory = bad, Labour/Democrat =
Good, more government = good. There are false prophets.
I do not think anyone here has made such a simplistic assertion. We
have all read history
Are you sure?
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any law can be repealed.
The public are infantilised, not talk how to think, how to have any dignity
for themselves, putty infinitely mouldable in the hands of the elite.
Jed, a lie's a lie. A pig with its nose in the trough
:48
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote:
Ed: what you say sounds cynical and jaded.
I suppose it does to someone who believes in the ideal function of
government. However, if you examine
From Remi:
Was it Gene Hackman in a film I can't remember with this line
You're either police or little people.
I believe you are referring to a memorable quote from the famous film,
Blad Runner with Harrison Ford as Deckard. See: Memorable quotes for
Blade Runner:
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote:
Ed: what you say sounds cynical and jaded.
I suppose it does to someone who believes in the ideal function of
government. However, if you examine the actual
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Are you sure?
Yes, I have read history, and lived through it, and I am sure things
were much worse in the past. I am also sure they can get worse again.
The public are infantilised, not talk how to think, how to have any
dignity for themselves, putty infinitely
@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Are you sure?
Yes, I have read history, and lived through it, and I am sure things
were much worse in the past. I am also sure they can get worse again.
The public are infantilised, not talk how to think, how to have any
From Remi:
How does the liberal code of movie production run, like this?
1) Aim low then lower still. Hate you country, let the bad win,
let the good suffer. Bamboozle, perplex.
2) Incorrect standards of life will be seen as thought provoking:
man married to sister both marrying a sheep.
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:17 PM
To: 'vortex-l@eskimo.com'
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Could we say that most of the problems with the US government can be traced
to areas where it extends beyond
Remi Cornwall wrote:
How does the liberal code of movie production run, like this?
1) Aim low then lower still. Hate you country, let the bad win, let the good
suffer. Bamboozle, perplex.
2) Incorrect standards of life will be seen as thought provoking: man
married to sister both marrying a
PM
To: 'vortex-l@eskimo.com'
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Could we say that most of the problems with the US government can be traced
to areas where it extends beyond its constitutional limits?
Jeff
OrionWorks wrote:
From Remi:
Was it Gene Hackman in a film I can't remember with this line
You're either police or little people.
I believe you are referring to a memorable quote from the famous film,
Blad Runner with Harrison Ford as Deckard. See: Memorable quotes for
Blade Runner:
@eskimo.com'
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Could we say that most of the problems with the US government can be
traced
to areas where it extends beyond its constitutional limits?
Jeff
I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that
a human wouldnt know waht a bee was.
I could be wrong.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OrionWorks wrote:
From Remi:
Was it Gene Hackman in a film I can't remember with this
Wow! Team America on the TV. See ya.
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 20:58
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
From Remi:
How does the liberal code of movie production run, like this?
1) Aim
Jeff Fink wrote:
Could we say that most of the problems with the US government can be traced
to areas where it extends beyond its constitutional limits?
I would go along with that. It is hard to say whether it is most or
many or some of the most serious but that surely is a problem.
The
leaking pen wrote:
I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that
a human wouldnt know waht a bee was.
That wasn't the point of the test, at least in the book -- in fact
Deckard may even have explained to her what a bee was when the question
came up; I'm no longer
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they
show no interest
On Sep 26, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Jeff Fink wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can
Can't argue with that.
I just want to know why when GOP representatives are on TV that they don't
give more history about how this mess came about.
Say it loud, say it proud,
the democrats vetoed reform in 2003
and took money from lobbyists.
They are like tamed pigs in the trough.
Jeff Fink wrote:
Part of Obama's plan to balance
the budget is to subject that 1 1/2% to social security payments as well!
It is part of his plan to redistribute the wealth. . . .
The majority of people endeavor to conduct their lives in such a manner so
as not to be a burden to others.
Remi Cornwall wrote:
I just want to know why when GOP representatives are on TV that they
don't give more history about how this mess came about.
Say it loud, say it proud,
the democrats vetoed reform in 2003
You seem to be confused about history, or the U.S. system.
The Republicans had a
Tell me, what color is the sky in this fantasy land you live in? Or
is it just too many drugs taken at once?
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't argue with that.
I just want to know why when GOP representatives are on TV that they don't
give more
Leak sez:
I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that
a human wouldnt know waht a bee was.
I could be wrong.
I have not read PKD's novel, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.
However, in the film adaption Blade Runner it seemed obvious to me
that the screen writers
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:42:24 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
In an
industrial society, the people who make things must have enough money
to buy those things.
[snip]
If that were the case, there would be none left over for those who don't make
anything.
Regards,
Robin van
you mean, like all the rich that inherit their wealth, and dont do
anything useful with it? They get plenty of things, it seems.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Robin van Spaandonk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:42:24 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
In
In reply to leaking pen's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:31:48 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
you mean, like all the rich that inherit their wealth, and dont do
anything useful with it? They get plenty of things, it seems.
Yes they are amongst those I meant.
The bottom line is that in our current society,
Jeff Fink posted
and
Jones Beene replied
BTW - although Palin was probably a positive choice for McCain, given
all the demographics, it is turning out not to be anywhere near the
brilliant strategy that it first seemed. He shoulda gone with Condi.
The liberal media destroyed Condi way in
Jed Rothwell posted;
I think Palin is a lot smarter than she comes across as. She and some
other modern politicians have developed the art of looking like
aw-shucks, awkward, common folk.
Good point. OTOH, that's how you get elected. The characterization of
her as trailer trash really burns
Buried inside a CNN story it says:
One Republican aide said that not much has changed in the last 24 to
48 hours. I think it has to be pretty radically altered for House
Republicans to support it.
This aide stressed, at the end of the day, these members represent
the people who sent them
at
the helm like an FDR? They'll never stop blaming him and what he stands for
if it goes wrong.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 September 2008 23:13
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Buried inside a CNN story
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Come on Jed, Obama doesn't want this poisoned chalice.
Do you mean the bailout, or the job as President? He demands changes
to the bailout, along the lines I mentioned: that it should punish
the wrongdoers and compensate the taxpayers. See his web site for
details. I
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 September 2008 23:55
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
If you want to hear what iron-clad determination in the face of disaster
sounds like, listen to FDR on audio here:
http://www.hpol.org/fdr
Lots of good stuff: http://www.capmag.com/
_
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 September 2008 23:55
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
- Jed
Jones Beene wrote:
Steven
You may be underestimating the level of closet racism in the USA.
This is getting way off topic, but it has to do with polling and
public opinion surveys, a subject that has long interested me. (My
mother was an expert in this field.)
The issue of closet racism
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:11 AM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect
Jones Beene wrote:
The issue of closet racism skewing poll results is called
Jeff Fink wrote:
I'm a white guy who is certainly not racist. Give me Alan Keyes, J C Watts,
or even Colin Powell, and I will vote for him any day over McCain. Why are
we talking about racist whites when 90% of blacks are voting Obama!
The issue isn't racism, per se, rather it's a
Jeff Fink wrote:
I'm a white guy who is certainly not racist.
I did not say you were. I was talking about other people. Why should
you protest? Ahh . . . Perhaps that means you ARE a closet racist . . .
(In the modern age people who protest they are NOT X are
automatically suspected of
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Consequently, in an opinion poll they might SAY they'd vote for him,
but then when they're all alone in the voting booth they'll vote the
other way. This can skew the opinion polls to make Obama look more
popular than he really is.
Exactly right. That's the
Meant:
My guess is that Jeff Fink shares family values and has a similar
background with Palin. Or if not, the GOP is trying hard to make him
THINK she does.
Voice input glitch? By the way, the newest version of Naturally
Speaking voice input is astounding.
Sorry if I am talking too much
BTW - although Palin was probably a positive choice for McCain, given all the
demographics, it is turning out not to be anywhere near the brilliant strategy
that it first seemed. He shoulda gone with Condi.
I have a distinguished older friend who has never voted for a Democrat, and
will not
Jones Beene wrote:
. . . although Palin was probably a positive choice for McCain, given all
the demographics, it is turning out not to be anywhere near the brilliant
strategy that it first seemed. He shoulda gone with Condi.
I have a distinguished older friend who has never voted for a
_
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:19 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect
BTW - although Palin was probably a positive choice for McCain, given all
the demographics
of time.
Ed
On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Jeff Fink wrote:
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:19 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect
BTW - although Palin was probably a positive choice
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:19:42 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The terrorists around the world are rooting for Obama. Doesn't that tell
you something? Obama calls himself a Christian, but Qadhafi of Libya in a
recent interview obviously considers him to be a Muslim in good
This is very amusing - focused on the UK but applicable all over the world.
http://www.meritocracy.org.uk/page19.htm
Taylor J. Smith wrote:
Ed Storms wrote on 4-21-08:
This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many
times each day. The basic problem is that the American
Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution,
the time will come when medicine will organize into an
undercover
Howdy Vorts,
A Medivac chopper cost 15k to transport a patient 100 miles. Look around at
the medical industry and notice the never ending construction of medical
facilities on a huge scale. These new hospital facilities represent a new
industry of unprecedented scope and costs. There is no
@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
Yes Jeff, that is an argument that is always raised when some form of
socialized medicine is suggested. The fact is that under no successful
system is the service completely free. For example, I'm one of the lucky
people who
Ed Storms wrote on 4-21-08:
This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many
times each day. The basic problem is that the American
people have accepted the idea that life in this country
should be based mainly on the individual effort, with
socialism being un-American. Liberalism, which
Actually, i am. I favor tolls on the goods being shipped by companies
along said system using public tax dollars. on the goods, not the
trucks, because the truckers have it hard enough as is.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you are opposed to a
Jeff Fink wrote:-
I read that in Great Britain 30% of the people with curable colon cancer
are
dying from colon cancer, because, by the time the operation is scheduled it
is no longer curable
Where did you read this? It doesn't sound like the National health Service I
know. It's possible
Harry Veeder wrote:
If you are opposed to a free health care system thean you must have
been opposed to the free interstate highway system.
Winston Churchill proposed a better analogy for universal free
healthcare. He said it is like the fire department. He said, as I recall:
* When a
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Sometimes they go after the disease has become very serious, and then
they are bankrupted by the system, which -- as I said -- may charge a
patient his entire net worth in a few days. Healthcare costs are the
largest cause of middle-class bankruptcy.
Ironically, I've
On 22/4/2008 9:29 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
If you are opposed to a free health care system thean you must have
been opposed to the free interstate highway system.
Winston Churchill proposed a better analogy for universal free
healthcare. He said it is like the fire
Harry Veeder wrote:
Winston Churchill proposed a better analogy for universal free
healthcare. He said it is like the fire department. . . .
The problem with that analogy is that healthcare is more than just putting
out fires. There is the matter of fire prevention and coping with the after
A friend of mine in his 50s has no health insurance. Normally this is
not a problem because he is a vet who goes to the VA hospital. He has
a lot or problems, including some service related ones. The other day
he suffered from a minor stroke and passed out while at a Lowe's
hardware
This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many times each day.
The basic problem is that the American people have accepted the idea
that life in this country should be based mainly on the individual
effort, with socialism being un-American. Liberalism, which tries to use
the state to
I HAVE insurance, but failed to read the deductible part of it. Went
to the emergency room for a cut open hand, like, you could see fat
tissue and nerves, that cut. Was told as i was leaving they had my
insurance info, no problem. Turns out theres a 1 grand deductible on
emergency room visits
From Edmond Storms:
This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many times each day. The
basic problem is that the American people have accepted the idea that life
in this country should be based mainly on the individual effort, with
socialism being un-American. Liberalism, which tries
Yes, I agree. However, even if I were paying the bill, how would I,
while sick, bargain with the doctor to lower my payment? The insurance
company and the government are supposed to do this for me, in their own
self-interest. If the government were the single payer, they would
have a bigger
If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it's free.
Jeff
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From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:10 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance
This is indeed a sad
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