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From: Bob Higgins Bob Cook wrote: One interesting item that Piantelli noted was important in the 90’s was the existence of a H(-1) ion.… BH: Piantelli believes that the hydrogen anion is complicit in Ni-H LENR. He believes that the anion on the surface of his Ni rod is absorbed into a metal

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I asked Piantelli about how the hydrogen anion could enter a Ni atom and approach the nucleus so closely when the anion itself is so big. In my thinking, if the anion had not become some type of compact body, it would have experienced Coulombic repulsion long before the hydrogen nucleus ever

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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:59:12 -0800: Hi, [snip] >From: Bob Higgins > >* Jones, I think you may be wrong about this. If an f/H anion existed, >it would be a very heavy negatively charged body, like a muon but heavier. As >it approached a Ni atom, it would

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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:05:15 -0800: Hi, [snip] >A good explanation for most of the thermal gain is not fusion but – as you >stated previously - ejection of a fast proton. This could be the result of SPP >disruption of the temporary stability. > > > >As to what

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In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:40:07 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Once formed, a hypothetical f/H hydrogen anion would be almost sure to >cause a nuclear reaction - it is at least 3x heaver than a muon and will >approach the nucleus that much more closely. Make that about 9

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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:22:55 -0800: Hi, [snip] >From: Bob Higgins > >* Given the recent discussion of Holmlid, it makes me wonder if the the >proton ejection branch could be from sudden breakup of the hydrogen anion >electron shielding from deep within

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From: Bob Higgins * Jones, I think you may be wrong about this. If an f/H anion existed, it would be a very heavy negatively charged body, like a muon but heavier. As it approached a Ni atom, it would experience no force since the Ni electrons screen the Ni nuclear charge.

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Bob, A compact f/H anion as it approaches a nickel atom, would experience Coulomb repulsion, obviously – but that can be balanced against much stronger magnetic attraction of the reduced orbital at a few picometers (if we accept dense hydrogen). At some point, the f/H ion would find

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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: It [the H- anion] quickly decends the electron shells to close proximity to > the nucleus, wherein something nuclear happens. This produces a Ni > transmutation reaction branch and a high energy (6 MeV as I recall)

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Jones, I think you may be wrong about this. If an f/H anion existed, it would be a very heavy negatively charged body, like a muon but heavier. As it approached a Ni atom, it would experience no force since the Ni electrons screen the Ni nuclear charge. The f/H anion would enter the Ni atom

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My understanding (could be a mistaken impression) is that Piantelli thought of the Ni transmutation and high energy proton emission as two separate branches of the reaction. I gathered that he thought about it this way for lack of evidence of what the actual reaction was. He saw what he believed

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What Piantelli did not know and what Holmlid now tells us is that muon production happens in LENR. Piantelli just invented a muon like mechanism that was not needed because real muons are produced from meson decay. High temperature condensation will occur in a EMF based quasiparticle with little

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From: Bob Higgins * Given the recent discussion of Holmlid, it makes me wonder if the the proton ejection branch could be from sudden breakup of the hydrogen anion electron shielding from deep within the Ni atom, causing sudden Coulombic repulsion of the proton. Yes. This makes much

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On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: How close would the hydrogen nucleus have to get to the Ni nucleus to > release 6 MeV in Coulombic repulsion? It would be an interesting > calculation. > This is the typical energy of a particle that is expelled

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I wrote: This is the typical energy of a particle that is expelled from a nucleus. > That suggests that the hydrogen anion would have to attain nuclear > separations, e.g., ~ 1 fm. > In addition, there is an interesting calculation that can be done which gives the maximum charge density that

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actor development was more complicated than > LENR development, particularly considering Rossi’s modest laboratory > capability. (This capability has probably substantially improved in the > recent years with the $70M influx of monies to fund his R) > > Bob Cook > > *From:* Jones Beene

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