Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-15 Thread Axil Axil
http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/90 It is now universally accepted that the reservoir of energy stored in the sun’s atmospheric magnetic field is what heats the localized plasma in the corona. In simplified terms, the field is generated in the solar interior as a result of large-scale

RE: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-15 Thread Jones Beene
Sure, and it was universally accepted in 1600 that the Sun revolved around the earth. Fundamental change in mainstream perceptions, even with the advantage of the internet - takes a little while to set in. In fact Robin's 'outrageous' suggestion is almost as likely as induction of a

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-15 Thread Harry Veeder
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/90 It is now universally accepted that the reservoir of energy stored in the sun’s atmospheric magnetic field is what heats the localized plasma in the corona. In simplified terms, the

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-15 Thread David Roberson
: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:56 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:16 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/90 It is now universally accepted

[Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Veeder
Models of the Sun's evolution predict the Sun was 70% percent as bright 2 billion years ago, and the Earth should have been an ice ball at that time. Yet the geological record indicates the oceans were liquid. A number of explanations have been proposed which haven't faired well upon closer

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Robert Lynn
Probably the most sensible solution is that the atmosphere was significantly thicker. 30% less heat input would drop the earth's temperature by about 20°C, but 20% more mass of air would increase the temperature by about 20°C at ground level. We know that during the age of the dinosaurs that

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46632008/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/mystery-still-why-early-earth-didnt-freeze-over/ For greenhouse gases to explain the faint young sun paradox, their concentrations would need to have been extremely high, hundreds to thousands of times as much as today. If

RE: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Jones Beene
A more sensible solution is that was NO faint young sun to begin with. The same flawed model of solar mechanics that gives us the solar neutrino problem also gives us the faint young sun problem. They invented a straw man that never was much more than fiction, and now that they are trying to

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: A more sensible solution is that was NO faint young sun to begin with. I was waiting for someone to suggest this possibility. The same flawed model of solar mechanics that gives us the solar neutrino problem also

RE: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Jones Beene
Harry, I have not followed Mills' cosmological arguments for years and they may have changed. IIRC he thinks 100% of the UV and EUV (which is the main emission spectrum for f/H) and something like 40% of the net thermal energy received on earth comes from the Corona. That instantly solves the

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Just a bunch of collapsed microsingularities emitting hawking radiation around the sun collapsed due to the intense gravity and flux. The smaller they are the hotter they get. The smallest might get up to... 5.6×1032 K vs a monster black hole in the emptiest part of space which is somewhat

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:47:44 -0700: Hi, [snip] The solar model of Mills posits non-nuclear hydrogen energy from the solar corona, and thereby solves both problems, and more. This corona energy may see-saw in intensity with fusion energy in the core. Here's

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:47:44 -0700: Hi, [snip] The solar model of Mills posits non-nuclear hydrogen energy from the solar corona, and thereby solves both problems, and more. This corona energy may

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:36:58 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:47:44 -0700: Hi, [snip] The solar model of Mills posits non-nuclear hydrogen energy from the