Re: [Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-06 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On May 2, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I think what people are saying: The concept of science works but the application frequently sucks! Well, also that the method is not perfect. It works sometimes but not other

Re: [Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-06 Thread Edmund Storms
Let me clarify my pithy and brief comment. Yes the scientific method works fine when applied to studies that have no importance to anyone other than the person doing the study. However, once the subject becomes important to a larger group, such as global warming or cold fusion, to give

Re: [Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: However, once the subject becomes important to a larger group, such as global warming or cold fusion, to give recent examples, the method is distorted and does not work. I would say it does not work as well. It works to some extent. After all, cold

Re: [Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-06 Thread Alain Sepeda
what you say remind me what I've learned about markets, risk management. most of the time financial models are right, but you lose all the cash gain whan it worked when they get suddenly wrong. one blackswan lost can kill all the benefit of the chicken farm. 2013/5/6 Edmund Storms

[Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-02 Thread Peter Gluck
it seems we have to re-define some basic concepts The author (who, if I remember well, has supported the idea of Cold Fusion, writes here about our dear Scientific Method: There is no Scientific Method: http://bigthink.com/in-their-own-words/there-is-no-scientific-method Peter -- Dr. Peter

Re: [Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
after reading Thomas Kuhn, Nassim Nicholas taleb, WadeBroad, Roland Benabou, and after some experience in the backcourt of democracy and Science, you know that it is a myth... anyway, with hurts and delays it finally works... with some bloody revolution regularly. 2013/5/2 Peter Gluck

Re: [Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-02 Thread Peter Gluck
Yes, eventually it works, but what works actually is the Science of tomorrow not the Science with which we start On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: after reading Thomas Kuhn, Nassim Nicholas taleb, WadeBroad, Roland Benabou, and after some experience in

Re: [Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-02 Thread Edmund Storms
I think what people are saying: The concept of science works but the application frequently sucks! The Scientific method is a guide, like the Ten Commandments, but is likewise frequently ignored. Nevertheless, the idea works and provides an incentive for people who need a guide. Ed

Re: [Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-02 Thread Peter Gluck
I think that in case experiments cannot be done, reality (facts) cannot be known, theory cannot be verified or modified, the virtuous cycle is interrupted and the scientific method fails. Let's focus on LENR Peter On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I

Re: [Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I think what people are saying: The concept of science works but the application frequently sucks! Well, also that the method is not perfect. It works sometimes but not other times. It is like any other technique, or any other institution. Some

Re: [Vo]:about the Scientific Method

2013-05-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
I agree more with the vision of Kuhn and Taleb, that it is not accident but structural. all blackswan, paradigm change, inconvenient anomalies, are treated the same, for reason that are clear and unavoidable. today what happened with LENR is described perfectly by Kuhn. nothing else could have