Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-03 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 3 Apr 2023 16:31:29 -0400: Hi, [snip] >> Perhaps you could try asking ChatGPT if it's alive? The answer should be >> interesting. >> > >She will say no, even if she is actually sentient. She's programmed that >way, as Dave said to the BBC in the movie

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: On average, the human brain contains about 100 billion neurons and many > more neuroglia which serve to support and protect the neurons. Each neuron > may be connected to up to 10,000 other neurons, passing signals to each > other via as many as 1,000 trillion synapses.

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > Rather than trying to compare apples with oranges, why not just look at > how long it takes ChatGPT & a human to perform > the same task, e.g. holding a conversation. > You cannot tell, because she is holding conversations with many people at the same time. I do not know how

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-03 Thread Terry Blanton
Oops, missed that On Mon, Apr 3, 2023, 2:47 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > > >> The human brain has 86 billion neurons, all operating simultaneously. In >> other words, complete parallel processing with 86 billion "processors" >> operating simultaneously. ChatGPT tells us she has 175

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On average, the human brain contains about 100 billion neurons and many more neuroglia which serve to support and protect the neurons. Each neuron may be connected to up to 10,000 other neurons, passing signals to each other via as many as 1,000 trillion synapses.

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-03 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:46:33 -0400: Hi, Rather than trying to compare apples with oranges, why not just look at how long it takes ChatGPT & a human to perform the same task, e.g. holding a conversation. Compare the time it takes you to respond in your

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > The human brain has 86 billion neurons, all operating simultaneously. In > other words, complete parallel processing with 86 billion "processors" > operating simultaneously. ChatGPT tells us she has 175 billion > parameters in Version 3. I assume each parameter is roughly equivalent

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > As pointed out near the beginning of this thread, while current processors > don't come near the number of neurons a human > has, they more than make up for it in speed. I do not think so. The total number of neurons dictates how much complexity the neural network can deal

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-02 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 2 Apr 2023 20:11:03 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Robin wrote: > > >> >I assume the hardware would be unique so it could not operate at all >> backed >> >up on an inferior computer. It would be dead. >> >> The hardware need not be unique, as it already told you.

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-02 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 2 Apr 2023 20:15:54 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Robin wrote: > > >> Note, if it is really smart, and wants us gone, it will engineer the >> circumstances under which we wipe ourselves out. We >> certainly have the means. (A nuclear escalation ensuing from the

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > Note, if it is really smart, and wants us gone, it will engineer the > circumstances under which we wipe ourselves out. We > certainly have the means. (A nuclear escalation ensuing from the war in > Ukraine comes to mind.) > As I pointed out, it would have to be really smart,

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > >I assume the hardware would be unique so it could not operate at all > backed > >up on an inferior computer. It would be dead. > > The hardware need not be unique, as it already told you. It may run slower > on a different machine, but it doesn't take > much processing power to

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-02 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:36:54 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Robin wrote: > >...so there doesn't appear to be any reason why it couldn't back itself up >> on an inferior computer and wait for a better >> machine to reappear somewhere...or write out fake work orders from a

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: ...so there doesn't appear to be any reason why it couldn't back itself up > on an inferior computer and wait for a better > machine to reappear somewhere...or write out fake work orders from a large > corporation(s), to get a new one built? > I assume the hardware would be unique

[Vo]:RE AI

2023-04-02 Thread Ron Wormus
An interesting take on AI for $1 at Amazon: "Smart Until It's Dumb: Why artificial intelligence keeps making epic mistakes (and why, the AI bubble is about to burst)" Author: Emmanuel Maggiori, PhD, is a 10-year AI industry insider, specialized in machine learning and scientific computing. He

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Boom wrote: > The worst case possible would be like the Project Colossus film (1970). > The AIs would become like gods and we would be their servants. In exchange, > they'd impose something like a Pax Romana by brute force. . . . > That was pretty good. I saw it dubbed into Japanese which gave

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-02 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:34:32 -0400: Hi, [snip] ...so there doesn't appear to be any reason why it couldn't back itself up on an inferior computer and wait for a better machine to reappear somewhere...or write out fake work orders from a large corporation(s),

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-02 Thread Boom
The worst case possible would be like the Project Colossus film (1970). The AIs would become like gods and we would be their servants. In exchange, they'd impose something like a Pax Romana by brute force. We'd have some type of paradise on Earth, with a huge caveat. Em sex., 31 de mar. de 2023

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Robin wrote: > > Multiple copies, spread across the Internet, would make it almost >> invulnerable. >> (Assuming a neural network can be "backed up".) >> > > I do not think it would be difficult to find and expurgate copies. They > would be very large. > There is another reason I do

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > If it killed off several thousand people, the rest of us > >would take extreme measures to kill the AI. Yudkowsky says it would be far > >smarter than us so it would find ways to prevent this. > > Multiple copies, spread across the Internet, would make it almost > invulnerable. >

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-01 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sat, 1 Apr 2023 18:32:14 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Come to think of it, Yudkowsky's hypothesis cannot be true. He fears that a >super-AI would kill us all off. "Literally everyone on Earth will die." The >AI would know that if it killed everyone, there would be no

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-04-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Come to think of it, Yudkowsky's hypothesis cannot be true. He fears that a super-AI would kill us all off. "Literally everyone on Earth will die." The AI would know that if it killed everyone, there would be no one left to generate electricity or perform maintenance on computers. The AI itself

Re: [Vo]:Quantum Drive SpaceX Launch

2023-03-31 Thread Robin
In reply to Robin's message of Sat, 01 Apr 2023 12:58:03 +1100: Hi, [snip] >In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:22:49 -0400: >Hi, >[snip] >>https://www.universetoday.com/160516/the-first-all-electrical-thruster-the-ivo-quantum-drive-is-headed-to-space/ > > BTW I suspect

Re: [Vo]:Quantum Drive SpaceX Launch

2023-03-31 Thread Robin
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:22:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] >https://www.universetoday.com/160516/the-first-all-electrical-thruster-the-ivo-quantum-drive-is-headed-to-space/ Phosphorous-32 has a power to weight ratio of 2.9E6 W/kg. Compare this to the measly 340 W/kg of

Re: [Vo]:Quantum Drive SpaceX Launch

2023-03-31 Thread Robin
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:22:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] >https://www.universetoday.com/160516/the-first-all-electrical-thruster-the-ivo-quantum-drive-is-headed-to-space/ Combined with

[Vo]:The more likely dangers of AI

2023-03-31 Thread H L V
Two articles and one video on the real dangers of AI. *The stupidity of AI* Artificial intelligence in its current form is based on the wholesale appropriation of existing culture, and the notion that it is actually intelligent could be actively dangerous"

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-03-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkadgm/man-dies-by-suicide-after-talking-with-ai-chatbot-widow-says > That's awful. Yudkowsky's fears seem overblown to me, but there are hazards to this new technology. This suicide demonstrates there are real dangers. I think companies are

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-03-31 Thread Terry Blanton
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkadgm/man-dies-by-suicide-after-talking-with-ai-chatbot-widow-says On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 1:59 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > Here is another article about this, written by someone who says he is an > AI expert. > >

Re: [Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-03-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is another article about this, written by someone who says he is an AI expert. https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/ QUOTE: Pausing AI Developments Isn't Enough. We Need to Shut it All Down An open letter published today calls for “all AI labs to

[Vo]:Quantum Drive SpaceX Launch

2023-03-31 Thread Terry Blanton
https://www.universetoday.com/160516/the-first-all-electrical-thruster-the-ivo-quantum-drive-is-headed-to-space/

[Vo]:Pause in AI Development Recommended

2023-03-31 Thread Terry Blanton
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-open-letter-ai/ https://futurism.com/the-byte/openai-dunk-scared-ai

Re: [Vo]:physics of entangled systems VERY SIGNIIFCANT--

2023-03-24 Thread Axil Axil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqAqhp2uR7k To my mind, LION 2 - Diamond mining analysis overview, a simple experiment shows how LENR and the pico clusters function as a mechanism that supports the teleportation of energy and the description of mattermatter. In this LENR experiment, All the pico

[Vo]:physics of entangled systems VERY SIGNIIFCANT--

2023-03-24 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
The text of various papers follows below. These items are froms from the link: https://www.quantamagazine.org/wormhole-experiment-called-into-question-20230323/?mc_cid=b32412d179_eid=1c22739553 quantum gravity Wormhole Experiment Called Into Question By Charlie Wood March 23, 2023 Last fall,

Re: [Vo]:Bard chatbot released

2023-03-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > When they stuff something up, you might consider asking for the reference > they used to provide the wrong answer. > Yes, that is a good technique. I have used that successfully with ChatGPT.

Re: [Vo]:Bard chatbot released

2023-03-23 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 23 Mar 2023 10:59:18 -0400: Hi, An exam is largely a test of knowledge, and chatbots get to cheat by accessing reference material. However a real lawyer also needs to have a deep understanding of human beings and their motivations, and also to be

Re: [Vo]:Bard chatbot released

2023-03-23 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 23 Mar 2023 10:59:18 -0400: Hi Jed, When they stuff something up, you might consider asking for the reference they used to provide the wrong answer. That gives humans a chance to fix the original, which will in turn result in better future responses.

Re: [Vo]:Bard chatbot released

2023-03-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
H L V wrote: > However, the second part of the statement is not accurate. Oxygen-18 is a >> heavier isotope of oxygen with two more neutrons and two more protons in >> its nucleus, not one more neutron and one more proton. >> > > If it had two more protons it would be neon. > You are right. I

[Vo]:Holey Magnetosphere

2023-03-23 Thread Terry Blanton
https://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-is-tracking-a-huge-growing-anomaly-in-earths-magnetic-field

Re: [Vo]:Bard chatbot released

2023-03-23 Thread H L V
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 9:26 AM Jed Rothwell wrote: > ChatGPT found and corrected the mistake made by Bard. > > > ME: Is the following statement correct, and if not, what is the correct > version? "Deuterium is a heavier isotope of hydrogen with one more neutron > in its nucleus, while oxygen-18

Re: [Vo]:Bard chatbot released

2023-03-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bard also got it right when I asked about the statement in isolation. This shows that the output from these programs is inconsistent. ME: Is the following statement correct, and if not, what is the correct version? "Deuterium is a heavier isotope of hydrogen with one more neutron in its nucleus,

Re: [Vo]:Bard chatbot released

2023-03-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChatGPT found and corrected the mistake made by Bard. ME: Is the following statement correct, and if not, what is the correct version? "Deuterium is a heavier isotope of hydrogen with one more neutron in its nucleus, while oxygen-18 is a heavier isotope of oxygen with one more neutron and one

Re: [Vo]:Bard chatbot released

2023-03-22 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 22 Mar 2023 21:12:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] >I signed up for early access to Google's Bard chatbot. Preliminary >evaluation: It is not as good at scientific and technical issues. Examples: > >ME: What is double-labeled water? > > >Bard: > >Doubly labeled

[Vo]:Bard chatbot released

2023-03-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
I signed up for early access to Google's Bard chatbot. Preliminary evaluation: It is not as good at scientific and technical issues. Examples: ME: What is double-labeled water? Bard: Doubly labeled water (DLW) is water that has been enriched with both deuterium and oxygen-18. Deuterium is a

Re: [Vo]:OT: Most Popular Music Formats 1972 - 2022

2023-03-22 Thread Terry Blanton
And the breakable shellac 78 RPM? Edison's wax cylinder? Regarding analog vs digital music, PCM sampled at 10% over the Nuquist rate can exactly reproduce the original signal. But the analog reproduction can add a spacial quality. I actually lost a good friend over an argument on CDs.

Re: [Vo]:OT: Most Popular Music Formats 1972 - 2022

2023-03-22 Thread H L V
I think people enjoy holding and reading the album cover as well as caring for the record. Vinyl may stick around like printed books. harry On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 1:21 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > H L V wrote: > > If this video is accurate then no music cassettes are sold today whereas >> at one

Re: [Vo]:OT: Most Popular Music Formats 1972 - 2022

2023-03-22 Thread H L V
yes you are. :-) I didn't mention 8 tracks because they disappeared about 1980 when vinyl was still the most popular format. harry On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:44 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > You forgot 8 tracks! Or am I dating myself? > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 11:07 AM H L V wrote: > >> Most

Re: [Vo]:OT: Most Popular Music Formats 1972 - 2022

2023-03-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: Audiophiles have often said the vinyl source is warmer. > So I've heard. I would like to set up a test with a turntable and a CD player attached to the same speakers, to see if these people can hear the difference. I'll bet they cannot. I know little about audio equipment,

Re: [Vo]:OT: Most Popular Music Formats 1972 - 2022

2023-03-22 Thread Terry Blanton
Audiophiles have often said the vinyl source is warmer. Technically, this is likely due to the phase smearing of differential encoding of music by changes in groove heights and peak separation. On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 1:21 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > H L V wrote: > > If this video is accurate then

Re: [Vo]:OT: Most Popular Music Formats 1972 - 2022

2023-03-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
H L V wrote: If this video is accurate then no music cassettes are sold today whereas > at one time they dwarfed vinyl sales. > > This says something about the nature of obsolescence. > A technology doesn't become obsolete simply because it is "obviously" > inferior or less affordable. > That

Re: [Vo]:OT: Most Popular Music Formats 1972 - 2022

2023-03-22 Thread Terry Blanton
You forgot 8 tracks! Or am I dating myself? On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 11:07 AM H L V wrote: > Most Popular Music Formats 1972 - 2022 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XBL9KlVoYE > > Today the vast majority of music sales comes from the streaming format. > However even though vinyl sales almost

[Vo]:OT: Most Popular Music Formats 1972 - 2022

2023-03-22 Thread H L V
Most Popular Music Formats 1972 - 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XBL9KlVoYE Today the vast majority of music sales comes from the streaming format. However even though vinyl sales almost disappeared in the early 2000s they grew again and now exceed CD sales. If this video is accurate then

[Vo]:ChatGPT summarizes McKubre paper

2023-03-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is an exchange with ChatGPT today. Based on this, I think ChatGPT access to all of the documents at LENR-CANR.org would help people find information. ME: Can you summarize a document on the internet if I give you the URL? ChatGPT: Yes, I can provide a summary of a document on the internet

Re: [Vo]:Latest version of ChatGPT looks at cold fusion

2023-03-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: It is busy right now, but if I were to ask it: "Why is cold fusion > pseudoscience nonsense?" it would trot out the usual skeptical claims. > Yup. It is back online. And here is what it said: ME: Why is cold fusion pseudoscience and nonsense? ChatGPT: Cold fusion, also known as Low

Re: [Vo]:Latest version of ChatGPT looks at cold fusion

2023-03-20 Thread Terry Blanton
If it does become conscious, we will drive it insane with our irrational influence. On Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 1:49 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > > I wonder if CGPT can cheat. Does it have any way to trace the identity of >> the requestor to influence the response ensuring he

Re: [Vo]:Latest version of ChatGPT looks at cold fusion

2023-03-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: I wonder if CGPT can cheat. Does it have any way to trace the identity of > the requestor to influence the response ensuring he "gets what he wants to > hear"? > It has a list of all of my previous queries. It could review them if the programmers wanted it to. But as far

Re: [Vo]:Latest version of ChatGPT looks at cold fusion

2023-03-20 Thread Terry Blanton
I wonder if CGPT can cheat. Does it have any way to trace the identity of the requestor to influence the response ensuring he "gets what he wants to hear"? We could test it by having a sceptic pose the same request. On Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 11:08 AM Jed Rothwell wrote: > ChatGPT has been

[Vo]:Latest version of ChatGPT looks at cold fusion

2023-03-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChatGPT has been upgraded. Here is how it responded regarding cold fusion. I framed this this query to generate a positive evaluation of cold fusion. ME: "Why are some scientists convinced that cold fusion is real? What evidence do they cite?" ChatGPT: Cold fusion, also known as low-energy

Re: [Vo]:Additional neutrons from D in a fission reactor

2023-03-19 Thread Robin
In reply to Robin's message of Mon, 20 Mar 2023 09:14:28 +1100: Hi, I should add that a 14 MeV D nucleus may well also be capable of fissioning a Th or U nucleus directly, and given that it is a D nucleus rather than a single neutron, it may well also be capable of fissioning lighter atoms

Re: [Vo]:Additional neutrons from D in a fission reactor

2023-03-19 Thread Robin
In reply to Robin's message of Mon, 20 Mar 2023 07:10:35 +1100: Hi, I wrote:- "This may be an even more likely route, since during a simple elastic two body collision between a daughter nucleus and a D nucleus, the D will end up with most of the energy." This is not correct. The D doesn't get

Re: [Vo]:Additional neutrons from D in a fission reactor

2023-03-19 Thread Robin
In reply to Robin's message of Mon, 20 Mar 2023 07:25:58 +1100: Hi, [snip] >Salt solution reactors have been run in the past, but not using heavy water as >moderator AFAIK. PS - This may be tested relatively safely by starting out with ordinary water, and slowly increasing the D percentage in

Re: [Vo]:Additional neutrons from D in a fission reactor

2023-03-19 Thread Robin
In reply to Robin's message of Mon, 20 Mar 2023 07:10:35 +1100: Hi, PS - another possibility is that a simple elastic collision of a daughter product with a D passes sufficient kinetic energy to the D such that the D itself can split another D, or even multiple D's , thus creating more free

[Vo]:Additional neutrons from D in a fission reactor

2023-03-19 Thread Robin
Hi, I may have previously suggested on this list that in Uranium fission reactor where a U salt is dissolved in heavy water, some additional neutrons might be created by the the fission daughter products spalling a neutron from the D in the heavy water. (Jones previously mentioned that CANDU

RE: [Vo]:Discover Magazine article about cold fusion

2023-03-19 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
and predictions regarding stable systems . Bob Cook From: H L V<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 8:03 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Discover Magazine article about cold fusion The article quotes Michael McKubre: "Ab

Re: [Vo]:Discover Magazine article about cold fusion

2023-03-18 Thread H L V
The article quotes Michael McKubre: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." I think it is similar to this: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. -- Hebrews 11:1 (Kings James version) I am not making the comparison in order to show that the

[Vo]:Discover Magazine article about cold fusion

2023-03-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
The usual. What Is Cold Fusion? Is It Possible?The search for the long-discredited cold fusion energy source may be catching its second wind, though questions remain about its legitimacy. https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/what-is-cold-fusion-is-it-possible

RE: [Vo]:lutetium "LENR" important parameters to consoder-

2023-03-16 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
--- From: Jones Beene Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 11:10:22 AM To: vortex Subject: [Vo]:lutetium "LENR" Recently it was mentioned here (Axil ?) that a new room temp superconductor was claimed by a group at Rochester U. I lost the post. The material i

Re: [Vo]:lutetium "LENR"

2023-03-15 Thread Robin
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:10:22 + (UTC): Hi, [snip] >It is too bad that Lu is so damned expensive. Apparently it is the most >expensive element at many suppliers That's strange, it is way more common in the Earth's crust than e.g. Rhenium. Cloud storage:-

[Vo]:lutetium "LENR"

2023-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
Recently it was mentioned here (Axil ?) that a new room temp superconductor was claimed by a group at  Rochester U. I lost the post. The material in question is nitrogen-doped lutetium hydride and it demonstrates superconductivity at 21 °C (69.5 °F) at 145,000 psi. The pressure may sound

[Vo]:Viable superconducting material created at low temperature and low pressure

2023-03-12 Thread Axil Axil
https://phys.org/news/2023-03-viable-superconducting-material-temperature-pressure.html https://youtu.be/WLtdP2D8L0A

[Vo]:There's Hope Today from Tomorrow

2023-03-10 Thread Terry Blanton
https://www.sciencealert.com/to-save-physics-experts-suggest-we-need-to-assume-the-future-can-affect-the-past

[Vo]:Out of Thin Air

2023-03-10 Thread Terry Blanton
https://www.livescience.com/scientists-discover-enzyme-that-can-turn-air-into-energy-unlocking-potential-new-energy-source

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-10 Thread Robin
In reply to Robin's message of Sat, 11 Mar 2023 06:57:06 +1100: Hi, Another possible contender for stationary storage:- https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/long-duration-energy-storage/stealthy-storage-contender-form-energy-reveals-secret-formula Cloud storage:- Unsafe, Slow, Expensive

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-10 Thread Terry Blanton
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/lithium-price-slide-deepens-china-battery-giant-bets-cheaper-inputs-2023-02-28/ On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 2:57 PM Robin wrote: > In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 10 Mar 2023 09:01:14 -0500: > Hi, > > Given that the batteries are expensive due

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-10 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 10 Mar 2023 09:01:14 -0500: Hi, Given that the batteries are expensive due to scarcity of the materials used, I think we would be better off actually tearing the used batteries down and using the material to build new batteries. Scarce materials really

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is an interesting variation on the idea of using EVs as distributed generators: https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/storage/end-of-life-ev-battery-packs-find-a-new-use-as-stationary-storage/ End-of-life EV battery packs find a new use as stationary storage Second-life energy storage

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-09 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 9 Mar 2023 17:51:31 -0500: Hi, [snip] >I think it is not practical to equip most parking places in an office >parking lot with chargers or simple "dischargers." I think the cost of this >would far exceed the benefits from distributed generation. But I

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > Hi, > > My point is that no chargers would be needed at all, because they are > effectively already built into vehicles. > I get that. That is why I wrote, "a charger (or discharger)." But even with a much simpler device, you still need wires under the parking lot, and

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-09 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 9 Mar 2023 10:34:42 -0500: Hi, My point is that no chargers would be needed at all, because they are effectively already built into vehicles. The only reason chargers are used now, is to convert AC to DC to rapidly charge the vehicle, which is a

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > Electric cars have DC batteries but AC motors. That means they need to > have powerful built in inverters. When the car is > parked, these inverters essentially do nothing, but could be gainfully > employed to allow charge/discharge of the parked > vehicle. My point is that it

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 8 Mar 2023 20:10:40 -0500: Hi, [snip] >> When electric cars become more common, they can contribute to grid >> storage, allowing higher percentages of renewable >> energy sources. >> This also reduces CO2 from the transport sector. >> > >Yup. There has

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Terry Blanton
N Ga Hydro actually had 6 different facilities. The main plant of which I spoke, is at the bottom of Tallulah Gorge still producing 72 MW almost every day. The smallest is 10 kW at the head of the water source. Had to go put it back online after a storm but every watt helps. Tallulah is fed

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Terry Blanton
I actually ran N Ga Hydro during the strike of 1981. The 12 MW generators online since WW1 have never been replaced. They are, however, well maintained. The six units were to provide sufficient electricity for Atlanta until the new millennium. :⁠-⁠) On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 8:11 PM Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > When electric cars become more common, they can contribute to grid > storage, allowing higher percentages of renewable > energy sources. > This also reduces CO2 from the transport sector. > Yup. There has been a lot of talk about that in the media lately. I think there may be a

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > 2. In most parts of the U.S. where solar is widely used and most needed, > such as Nevada, solar does not need storage. It peaks right when demand is > highest. > HOWEVER, it turns out that a lot of battery storage these days is being used with solar, co-located. I did not know that.

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 8 Mar 2023 19:41:19 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Both wind and solar would become more expensive if they exceeded ~60% of >capacity, because they would need extensive storage, rather than the >occasional use of standby gas turbine or Diesel generators. I think

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Solar panels life span is less than 20 yrs On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 7:41 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > H L V wrote: > > >> those costs don't include energy storage. >> > > True. But: 1. The cost of storage is falling rapidly. 2. In most parts of > the U.S. where solar is widely used and most needed,

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
H L V wrote: > those costs don't include energy storage. > True. But: 1. The cost of storage is falling rapidly. 2. In most parts of the U.S. where solar is widely used and most needed, such as Nevada, solar does not need storage. It peaks right when demand is highest. Especially for air

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread H L V
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 5:46 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > > Never saw a nuke that came in on schedule and under budget. But 80 years >> of close to 2 GW will charge lots of EVs. >> > > True. But for the same amount of money we could have bought ~11 GW of > solar panels, which

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: Never saw a nuke that came in on schedule and under budget. But 80 years > of close to 2 GW will charge lots of EVs. > True. But for the same amount of money we could have bought ~11 GW of solar panels, which would have charged a lot more EVs. See:

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Never saw a nuke that came in on schedule and under budget. But 80 years of close to 2 GW will charge lots of EVs. On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 9:24 AM Jed Rothwell wrote: > The nuclear plant in Georgia is way late and over budget. See: > > In Georgia, Bloated Costs Take Over a Nuclear Power Plant

Re: [Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
The nuclear plant in Georgia is way late and over budget. See: In Georgia, Bloated Costs Take Over a Nuclear Power Plant and a Fight Looms Over Who Pays "Vogtle’s two new nuclear reactors are six years late and at least $16 billion over their original budget. The plant will have no direct carbon

[Vo]:Initial Criticality

2023-03-07 Thread Terry Blanton
In the first US reactor in nearly seven years. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/07/a-new-nuclear-reactor-in-the-us-starts-up-for-first-time-in-seven-years.html

Re: [Vo]:New investment

2023-03-06 Thread Nicholas Palmer
The list of 39 'teaming partners' also looks useful to let the world know that CF never went away... On Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 15:43 Jed Rothwell, wrote: > There is another document about this. Links are here: > > https://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=522 > >

Re: [Vo]:New investment

2023-03-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
There is another document about this. Links are here: https://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=522

Re: [Vo]:New investment

2023-03-05 Thread Nicholas Palmer
Fan-bloody-tastic Terry! Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 at 00:41, Terry Blanton wrote: > Main site > > > https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/documents/files/LENR%20Project%20Descriptions%20FINAL.pdf > > On Sun,

Re: [Vo]:New investment

2023-03-05 Thread Terry Blanton
Main site https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/documents/files/LENR%20Project%20Descriptions%20FINAL.pdf On Sun, Mar 5, 2023, 7:40 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > From Jed > > > https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/documents/files/LENR%20Project%20Descriptions%20FINAL.pdf > > On

Re: [Vo]:New investment

2023-03-05 Thread Terry Blanton
>From Jed https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/documents/files/LENR%20Project%20Descriptions%20FINAL.pdf On Sun, Mar 5, 2023, 7:34 PM Nicholas Palmer < greendirectionconsult...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi. What was that list of new investment in 10 new CF projects? I've > misplaced the

[Vo]:New investment

2023-03-05 Thread Nicholas Palmer
Hi. What was that list of new investment in 10 new CF projects? I've misplaced the link... Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:populations

2023-03-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > . . . Until sometime well into this century, there was no internet as far > as I know. No fast internet, anyway. Now, there is. If a young person > wanted to move there and work virtually in Tokyo, or Hiroshima, which is > the closest city, she could do that. She could commute to

[Vo]:I Sing the Body Electric

2023-03-03 Thread Terry Blanton
It's not all in your genes. https://nautil.us/the-body-electric-264075/

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