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-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 7 mars 2014 01:16
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
> Bitcoin's pseudonymous creator "Satoshi Nakamoto&quo
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
> Bitcoin's pseudonymous creator "Satoshi Nakamoto" willed that currency into
> existence in 2009,
Not a pseudonym:
http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/14/bitcoin-satoshi-nakamoto.html
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 5:51 AM, James Bowery wrote:
There have been a few occasions where it was clear you hadn't read my prior
> messages, since you repeated what I had already said but without
> attribution,
>
One doesn't need to attribute something to someone if it's a commonly held
view and
was there still asking
> for gas money.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jed Rothwell
> To: vortex-l
> Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 8:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
>
> Craig wrote:
>
>
>> I went to the bank and wired mo
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From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
Craig wrote:
I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The process
took over an hour of my time, and the receiver didn't receive the mone
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 7:51 AM, James Bowery wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree. Bitcoin's built-in deflation is its Achilles heel. James will
>> surely disagree with me on this one, but I'm happy to go along with modern
>> economics on the ques
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
> I agree. Bitcoin's built-in deflation is its Achilles heel. James will
> surely disagree with me on this one, but I'm happy to go along with modern
> economics on the question of deflation. Keep in mind in this regard that
> bitcoin is j
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Security is not unique to Bitcoin; what is unique is that it is anonymous
> and untraceable. Some people want that, and some such as drug dealers need
> it, but I have no use for it.
>
Interestingly, bitcoin does not appear to be untraceable.
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Randy wuller wrote:
I have listened as long as I can to this discussion of Bitcoin by a
> community of those alleged technical people (ie scientists) on a email list
> devoted to for the most part "Cold Fusion/LENR".
>
I know of two or three scientists on t
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> James Bowery wrote:
> The whole point of money is to have stable values and as much of the stuff
> as you need to conduct business. If the value of the dollar or yen doubled
> one day and dropped by a huge fraction a month later, there would
James Bowery wrote:
> 1) Cryptographically secure limited number of coins.
>>>
>>
>> I don't see any value to this. It causes the value to fluctuate rapidly
>> and unpredictably.
>>
>
> Your first statement is incorrect. There is clearly market value in
> holding a quantity of anything that is
Craig wrote:
> I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The
> process took over an hour of my time, and the receiver didn't receive the
> money for serveral hours.
That's not good. At Bank of America you can do it on line. If you have the
info. about the other party it o
From: Jed Rothwell
You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he said "The
time of prosperity is over."
When did he say that?!? It sounds out of character.
Terry did not say which President
http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-pea
To sum up my monetary system's basis:
"By this means, the monetary base becomes the liquid value of the local
economy's assets."
Maintenance of zero inflation/deflation is achieved by increasing or
decreasing the citizen's dividend with respect to revenue.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:39 PM, James
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> James Bowery wrote:
>
>
>> 1) Cryptographically secure limited number of coins.
>>
>
> I don't see any value to this. It causes the value to fluctuate rapidly
> and unpredictably.
>
Your first statement is incorrect. There is clearly marke
Sure, but electronic-speed wire transfer began in the 1850s, I think.
Modern wire transfer began in 1871.
- Jed
I went to the bank and wired money to a company here in the US. The
process took over an hour of my time, and the receiver didn't receive
the money for serveral hours. With Bi
y.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* James Bowery
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
>
> What is "there" in BItcoin is what was "there" when IBM's deployment of
&
James Bowery wrote:
> 1) Cryptographically secure limited number of coins.
>
I don't see any value to this. It causes the value to fluctuate rapidly and
unpredictably.
> 2) Cryptograpicically secure transmission of coins between private keys.
>
They have had this for a long time. Wire trans
Randy wuller wrote:
> Currency to have value in our modern age can't be fixed to some arbitrary
> value, it must be able to grow rapidly as the value of goods and services
> can and should grow rapidly in the future. Human value has almost nothing
> to do with productivity anymore, neither shoul
Terry Blanton wrote:
> You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he said
> "The time of prosperity is over."
>
When did he say that?!? It sounds out of character.
- Jed
If he said that I am happy I missed it. I would have thrown my shoe at the
TV. Utter nonsense. We are about to enter an age of almost unlimited
prosperity.
- Original Message -
From: "Terry Blanton"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:I
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Randy wuller wrote:
> The sooner you stop thinking like 19th century people the sooner we can
> start living in the world of plenty.
You obviously missed the president's speech the other day when he said
"The time of prosperity is over."
hinking like 19th century people the sooner we can start
living in the world of plenty.
- Original Message -
From: James Bowery
To: vortex-l
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
What is "there" in BItcoin is what w
What is "there" in BItcoin is what was "there" when IBM's deployment of
MSDOS on its PCs forced everyone to buy MSDOS and write applications for
MSDOS:
The network effect.
There are two essential ingredients that go into this network effect for
Bitcoin and neither of them involve "speculative fev
H Veeder wrote:
> If people stopped valuing flowers, the tulip bulb would cease to have
> value.
>
True, but people have valued flowers in every culture, in every era in
recorded history. It seems to be inborn. Or instinctual. So there is little
chance that people will stop valuing them. Wherea
It is a matter of values rather than beliefs.
If people stopped valuing flowers, the tulip bulb would cease to have value.
Likewise if people stopped valuing computer science, bit coins would cease
to have value.
Harry
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Jones Beene wrote:
Jones Beene wrote:
> The real problem with Bitcoins is not really security. Instead it is that
> there is "nothing there, there" nothing but speculative fever.
>
>
>
> Anyone contemplating any renegade currency should read up on the Dutch
> Tulip bubble of 1619 and beyond. . . .
>
See the book
From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com
it seems that test is the object of the bitcoin miners.
they don't mine crytokeys, thet are simply paid for their work to check and
reconcile the transations log, the accounting registers...
The real problem with Bitcoins is not really security. Instead i
Jones--
I make the same mistake frequently.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: "Jones Beene"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Jones--Bob here.
Due to two emergent me
it seems that test is the object of the bitcoin miners.
they don't mine crytokeys, thet are simply paid for their work to check and
reconcile the transations log, the accounting registers...
some expert should correct me.
2014-02-26 18:05 GMT+01:00 H Veeder :
> Gold coins could be counterfeited
> What is the byte test for bitcoins? ;-)
Verification of a chain of cryptographic signatures, if I'm not mistaken. I.e,
perhaps the most secure way we know of for verifying the provenance of
something at the moment.
Eric
Gold coins could be counterfeited, so people would bite them to see if they
were real.
What is the byte test for bitcoins? ;-)
harry
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
> control of Bitcoin's control capability has come into question.
>
Not by any reputable analysts.
The problems thus far have been in the financial services layer, not in the
underlying cryptocurrency wire-transfer/public ledger layer. The fi
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Jones--Bob here.
>> Due to two emergent memes coming together at the same time, one wonders
if Andrea Rossi was paid in Bitcoins :-)
> I do not think so.
Hi Bob,
Sometimes my best effort at a bit of cynical humor do not shine through :)
Jones--Bob here.
Due to two emergent memes coming together at the same time, one wonders if
Andrea Rossi was paid in Bitcoins :-)
I do not think so.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: "Jones Beene"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:20 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
Jones--Bob here.
Due to two emergent memes coming together at the same time, one wonders if
Andrea Rossi was paid in Bitcoins :-)
I do not think so.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: "Jones Beene"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:20 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?
Jones Beene wrote:
> The Rossi E-Cat is an advanced but unproved energy device which has been
> publicly replicated by no reliable laboratory, and exists because a small
> number of humans working on similar projects have chosen to believe in its
> legitimacy.
There are FAR better reasons for
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