Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-21 Thread francis
Axil, Good idea, The geometry of the powder to tungsten interface might be a concern because of the high melting point of tungsten but as far as material selection the anomalous behavior of tungsten and atomic hydrogen goes all the way back to Langmuir. My question is regarding the

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 20 Jun 2011 01:19:48 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Rossi could use tungsten as a replacement for stainless steel (SS) as the >shell of his reaction vessel. The nano-powder has a higher melting >temperature then SS. Tungsten is also opaque to x-rays/gamma-rays can >repl

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: For a cold fusion reactor like any other reactor type, the guiding design goal is to produce a large, cost effective, passively self-limiting, reactor design that is intrinsically safe rather than a design that has 1000’s of inefficient hard to control and resource intensive

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-20 Thread ecat builder
I hear the "all we can do is wait until October" a lot. If just a few people were working on replication, we could get details a lot sooner than October/November... Rossi is very kind to answer questions on his blog. I've asked a number of questions trying to learn about what is going on and witho

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-20 Thread Axil Axil
For a cold fusion reactor like any other reactor type, the guiding design goal is to produce a large, cost effective, passively self-limiting, reactor design that is intrinsically safe rather than a design that has 1000’s of inefficient hard to control and resource intensive units. Electric utiliti

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:19 PM 6/19/2011, Axil Axil wrote: Rossi could use tungsten as a replacement for stainless steel (SS) as the shell of his reaction vessel. The nano-powder has a higher melting temperature then SS. Tungsten is also opaque to x-rays/gamma-rays can replace lead shielding; and very importantly,

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-20 Thread francis
Axil, Good idea, The geometry of the powder to tungsten interface might be a concern because of the high melting point of tungsten but as far as material selection the anomalous behavior of tungsten and atomic hydrogen goes all the way back to Langmuir. My question is regarding the

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi could use tungsten as a replacement for stainless steel (SS) as the shell of his reaction vessel. The nano-powder has a higher melting temperature then SS. Tungsten is also opaque to x-rays/gamma-rays can replace lead shielding; and very importantly, it is also impermeable to hydrogen As a c

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:46 PM 6/19/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-06-19 02:40 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 08:08 AM 6/19/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-06-19 05:34 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-18 16:07, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Today Rossi posted on his Blog some interesting info:

Re: FW: Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread mixent
In reply to francis 's message of Sun, 19 Jun 2011 09:11:41 -0400: Hi, [snip] Why not control the pump speed electronically (as well)? >Stephen, > > I think you might be missing the point, in free running the >OOP is AT the critical temperature and the heat sinking must be exactly

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:16:03 -0400: Hi, [snip] >At 10:57 PM 6/18/2011, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: >>In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:32:54 -0400: >>Hi, >>[snip] >> >It's being operated, apparently, at a balance point. Other

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-06-19 02:40 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 08:08 AM 6/19/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-06-19 05:34 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-18 16:07, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Today Rossi posted on his Blog some interesting info: When E-Cats work without a drive, Rossi has to

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:08 AM 6/19/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-06-19 05:34 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-18 16:07, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Today Rossi posted on his Blog some interesting info: When E-Cats work without a drive, Rossi has to operate alone on them for safety reasons. This is

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:57 PM 6/18/2011, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:32:54 -0400: Hi, [snip] >It's being operated, apparently, at a balance point. Other designs ...or as Dr. Schwartz would say, an OOP. Well, no, even though I did refer to that term

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Axil Axil
Please add at this top as an edit... Rossi runs his reactor subcritically. That is, the maximum amount of heat that his reactor can produce will NOT increase internal reactor heat production beyond a self-reinforcing increasing takeoff point. On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Axil Axil wrote:

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi adds externally generated heat to reach and maintain steady state heat production equilibrium. One passive way to decrease reactor heat production is to decrease hydrogen pressure. This can be done by absorbing hydrogen from the hydrogen envelope using a hydride producing metal; for example,

FW: Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread francis
Stephen, I think you might be missing the point, in free running the OOP is AT the critical temperature and the heat sinking must be exactly balanced between quenching and runaway while "normal" operation is kept slightly below the critical temperature such that a PWM can push the m

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Jay Caplan
it 70/30 Ni/Cu alloy powders? I think we need more discussion on the Fe from rust role. - Original Message - From: francis To: uniqueprodu...@comcast.net Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-19 14:08, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: How many reactions, which produce heat, and which may produce runaway heat, can be quenched by ... *heating them up* ? To be fair, I don't think this is what Rossi actually means. Self-sustaining reactors probably operate on a closed loop, heate

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread vorl bek
> How many reactions, which produce heat, and which may produce > runaway heat, can be quenched by ... *heating them up* ? > > I would call that another big red flag. > I hope this thing is not a fake; I am just barely over the trauma of the Steorn debacle.

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-06-19 05:34 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-18 16:07, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Today Rossi posted on his Blog some interesting info: When E-Cats work without a drive, Rossi has to operate alone on them for safety reasons. This is such a facile explanation ... We m

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-19 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-18 16:07, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Today Rossi posted on his Blog some interesting info: When E-Cats work without a drive, Rossi has to operate alone on them for safety reasons. However Dr.Bianchini from the University of Bologna had special permission to witness one on

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread francis
Jay, Excellent idea - could even use off the shelf heat exchanger as your link seems to indicate they already have their brazed products in automotive and aerospace equipment. I like the idea of the heat transfer fluid being inside the exchanger with the sputtered powder on the outside and

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Jay Caplan
cast.net Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com ; Teofilo, Vince ; zpe.asymmat...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:42:10 Jay Caplan wrote [snip]I agree. Since several devices have melted down befor

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:32:54 -0400: Hi, [snip] >It's being operated, apparently, at a balance point. Other designs ...or as Dr. Schwartz would say, an OOP. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread francis
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:42:10 Jay Caplan wrote [snip]I agree. Since several devices have melted down before, it is obvious that it doesn't need elec input to work, just reacting nearby the high temps of the resistance element. Once heated uniformly to reaction temps and self sustaining, the key woul

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Jay Caplan
With this level of temp control, the micro reactor array may be superseded by one large one. - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy What took so

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Axil Axil
IMHO, the mechanism behind the activity within the nano-sized nuclear sites in the Ni-H reactor type is derived from some unusual form of hydrogen such as Heavy Rydberg (H + / H –) system, Rydberg ions, atoms and/or matter in one form or another or in combination. Production of Rydberg matter throu

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > I think [heat after death] is caused by having a large bulk of Pd that > stores a lot of deuterium which gradually comes of the bulk to the surface. > I say that because the largest example of heat after death was Mizuno's event in 1991. The cathode was 100 g. That is 100 to 1000 time

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:32 PM 6/18/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-18 18:27, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Some more info: * * * 3) What do you consider is the maximum “safe” output level? 4) Do you think the one megawatt power plant being opened by Defkalion might operate with zero input? http://www.

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:27 PM 6/18/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-06-18 16:07, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Today Rossi posted on his Blog some interesting info: Some more info: * * * Could you please share a few extra details about the experiment? - The size of the E-Cat (50cc or one liter in volume). - How

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:08 PM 6/18/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Nothing took so long. They have been doing tests without input for a couple of years. Levi described one in December. However, Rossi claims this mode of running is dangerous because it cannot be controlled. I've seen some rather silly skeptical comme

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: > As regarding heat after death in classical CF it was rather rare- I cannot > remember more than 5 documented cases. > Not true. Fleischmann andPons in France produced heat after death hundreds of times. They ran banks of 64 cells and pushed them all to a boil-off followed

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Peter Gluck
y, June 18, 2011 10:28 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy > > ** ** > > Stimulating is good, negative stimulents as Steve's reaction > > are better, it seems. (No more tests, who said it?) > >

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-18 18:27, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Some more info: * * * 3) What do you consider is the maximum “safe” output level? 4) Do you think the one megawatt power plant being opened by Defkalion might operate with zero input? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360&cpage=13#comm

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-18 16:07, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Today Rossi posted on his Blog some interesting info: Some more info: * * * Could you please share a few extra details about the experiment? - The size of the E-Cat (50cc or one liter in volume). - How high the output went before the test had to en

RE: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Mike Carrell
the attempt for 1 MW. Warmest Regards, Mike From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:28 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy Stimulating is good, negative stimulents as Steve's reaction are b

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Peter Gluck
Please do not forget, Piantelli had a cell working with no input, at 70W already in 2000. Then his lab was relocated more times and his progress has slowed down. But now he is working again . Therefore a working zero input E-cat is quite "naturaL' even if as Rossi claims, the two Ni-H LENR process

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: What took so long? > Nothing took so long. They have been doing tests without input for a couple of years. Levi described one in December. However, Rossi claims this mode of running is dangerous because it cannot be controlled. This has often been discussed here. It is liste

RE: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Jones Beene
What took so long? This is "good-news/bad-news" in a way. But it totally expected. In short, it can be shown logically that multiple units of any thermally triggered, overunity device MUST be amenable to operation with no input energy, once started. IOW - this result is completely expected

Re: [Vo]:New private E-Cat test with no input energy

2011-06-18 Thread Peter Gluck
Stimulating is good, negative stimulents as Steve's reaction are better, it seems. (No more tests, who said it?) We had the opportunity to observe that the E-cat has quite sharp verbal claws, not always retracted. Let's hope there will be energetically independent greater E-cats. On Sat, Jun 18