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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > At 02:30 PM 12/5/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: > > We don't know what tests Ampenergo did -- perhaps it was more of the > uncalibrated and error prone heat of vaporization of steam type experiments > that Rossi is so fond of doing even though liq

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On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: I keep giving Rossi the benefit of the doubt. Things keep going down hill. I have to ask myself, would I buy a used car from this man? Have you just noticed that he is hard to deal with? Is this a revelation to y

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not find >>> the source of heat? Get real. Once you look inside the magic trick stage >>> prop, the trick is always instantly obvious. >>> >> >> >> That's the

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > That is incorrect. Many people have looked inside these devices. The > photographs of the Ottoman size device instantly rule out any possibility > of a chemical or other conventional source of heat. > Only to your satisfaction. Not to any

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Radio Frequency Generator at any point? Was anything recorded? Was any document produced? Are there names available for any observers that can be consulted? _ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:45:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum From: jedrothw...@gmai

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At 02:30 PM 12/5/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: We don't know what tests Ampenergo did -- perhaps it was more of the uncalibrated and error prone heat of vaporization of steam type experiments that Rossi is so fond of doing even though liquid coolant as used by Levi is much easier and better.  If you kno

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On 11-12-05 04:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence mailto:sa...@pobox.com>> wrote: Have you read nothing of how psychics operate? Actually, I have read a lot about that, possibly more than Yugo has. I have also read about stage magicians. In both cases their methods could no

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > He has no magical ability to change the Stefan-Boltzmann law. > The Stefan-Boltzmann law does you no good if the foil has an emissivity of 10% or less. That would give less than 50W emission for 60C surface temperature in a 30C room. Try aga

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Mary Yugo wrote: Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not find the >> source of heat? Get real. Once you look inside the magic trick stage prop, >> the trick is always instantly obvious. >> > > > That's the point though, isn't it? Nobody was ever allowed to see the > in

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Mary Yugo wrote: > Have you corresponded specifically with Randi about Rossi? > No, this was years ago. However, he has not changed is views. He says that Rossi and all other researchers are scammers, frauds, lunatics and criminals. That is also what Robert Park and many other prominent opponen

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Am 05.12.2011 23:25, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: Watch this magician: http://youtu.be/VsYDRRGmpXU At 6:00 he makes steam and he allows more access than Rossi ;-) His Japanese is pretty good. Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not find the source o

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter Heckert wrote: > > Watch this magician: http://youtu.be/VsYDRRGmpXU >> At 6:00 he makes steam and he allows more access than Rossi ;-) >> > > His Japanese is pretty good. > > Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup wou

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > I have corresponded with Randi directly, and I saw his recent video. > Nothing he says about cold fusion has any merit. He knows nothing about > this subject. > Have you corresponded specifically with Randi abo

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > For example, he demonstrated 30 L of water that remained at boiling > temperatures for four hours with no input. [...] Neither you nor any other > skeptic has ever given us a single viable, scientific reason to doubt these > results. You have

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Peter Heckert wrote: Watch this magician: http://youtu.be/VsYDRRGmpXU At 6:00 he makes steam and he allows more access than Rossi ;-) His Japanese is pretty good. Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not find the source of heat? Get real. Once you look inside the m

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Am 05.12.2011 22:56, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Have you read nothing of how psychics operate? Actually, I have read a lot about that, possibly more than Yugo has. I have also read about stage magicians. In both cases their methods could not begin to fool anyone looking in

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > (FWIW I'd be surprised if Terry didn't get it...) Cherry-cola champagne? Kinky! :-) T

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Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Have you read nothing of how psychics operate? > Actually, I have read a lot about that, possibly more than Yugo has. I have also read about stage magicians. In both cases their methods could not begin to fool anyone looking inside a fake cold fusion device. Any engine

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OOPS -- Sorry, Jed, you obviously have *NOT* blocked Mary, and the rest of what I said is therefore of little consequence, because you've read the arguments already. On 11-12-05 04:46 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-12-05 03:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robert Leguillon

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On 11-12-05 03:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robert Leguillon > wrote: /snip/ As long as a positive test is based purely on physics rather than his personal credibility, or it is performed by others (as some tests have been)... /snip/

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On 11-12-05 01:23 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence mailto:sa...@pobox.com>> wrote: On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugomailto:maryyu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

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Robert Leguillon wrote: /snip/ > As long as a positive test is based purely on physics rather than his > personal credibility, or it is performed by others (as some tests have > been)... > /snip/ > > What tests have been performed by others? > Ampenergo, before they signed a contract. Mike McKub

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Mary Yugo wrote: > Yet people on forums and blogs keep offering to contribute or invest money > despite the lack of independent verification that he has something > worthwhile. He must be doing something correctly. > Yes indeed. He showed irrefutable proof of a nuclear reaction on several occa

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > This incident also confirms my belief that he is the world's worst > con-man. He could not con candy from a baby. He could not sell water to > someone dying of thirst. In a perverse way, this gives me confidence in his > claims. As long as

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/snip/ As long as a positive test is based purely on physics rather than his personal credibility, or it is performed by others (as some tests have been)... /snip/ What tests have been performed by others? Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:21:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

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Horace Heffner wrote: I keep giving Rossi the benefit of the doubt. Things keep going down hill. > I have to ask myself, would I buy a used car from this man? > Have you just noticed that he is hard to deal with? Is this a revelation to you? I could have told you this any time in the last 18 m

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(sorry this was my first post here, should've sent it to vortex address) Charly: What I fail to understand is how Defkalion fits in the scam theory ? Rossi definitely has the profile, but assuming it's a scam is Defkalion part of it as well ? As accomplice or rival scammers ? It seems a little bit

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> >> >> On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: >>> >>> Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't differentiate between claims and facts or evi

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: >> >> Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't >>> differentiate >>> between claims and facts or evidence and

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On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't differentiate between claims and facts or evidence and they don't require independent testing before they accept things they like to hea

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Vorl Bek wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo > > wrote: > > > > > So Steorn were not true scammers? > > > > No, just stupid. And usually drunk. > > What is it so far ~16 million? Not bad for a bunch of stupid > drunks. > > It's more than 21 mill

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> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo > wrote: > > > So Steorn were not true scammers? > > No, just stupid. And usually drunk. What is it so far ~16 million? Not bad for a bunch of stupid drunks.

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't > differentiate > > between claims and facts or evidence and they don't require independent > > testing before they accept

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't differentiate > between claims and facts or evidence and they don't require independent > testing before they accept things they like to hear. Are you calling me a "believer"? Dem'

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > So Steorn were not true scammers? No, just stupid. And usually drunk. T

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > I think that they > are relieved that AR failed to deliver by their deadline and had > already in their possession the secret of how the reactor worked, > assuming this is all true. > Yes, and that would be a huge assumption. There is not

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Mattia Rizzi > wrote: > > -.- > > Rossi is asking for money. He asked money to Defkalion in February/March > (A > > LOT OF MONEY) for his "technology" (deadline of payment around June) > > Stop saying that he

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On 11-12-05 10:40 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote: He did have some remarkable demonstrations AND he died the same way as knowledgeable people Another "free energy conspiracy"? So boring... The only fact was that he was sentenced as a scammer and his work was bullshit. Boy, THAT's a conclusive arg

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote: > Another "free energy conspiracy"? So boring... > The only fact was that he was sentenced as a scammer and his work was > bullshit. Actually, I find all this exciting and interesting. It's people who killed Tinker Bell that I find boring. S

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Actually I find the interlocking companies with funding from ... someplace > ..., along with the early claims that Rossi (or was it Defkalion?) had > received a great deal of investment money from a substantial number of > ex-pat Greeks

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote: > So Stanley Meter, a scammer (Ohio court sentence), was not a "true scammer"? > Mmmh. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell Actually, the book is not yet closed Meyer. Some believe that he did not fully disclose al

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On 11-12-05 07:36 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: This is, of course, one of the classic hallmarks of the scammer. Many say this; Because it's true, of course. but, to what end? To point out the annoying and unavoidable truth. I c

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote: > -.- > Rossi is asking for money. He asked money to Defkalion in February/March (A > LOT OF MONEY) for his "technology" (deadline of payment around June) > Stop saying that he is not asking for money, because is false. Okay, Rossi is not asking

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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote: >> He is not asking for money > > > Again? Why someone keeps saying "He is not asking for money" when it's not > true? Are you speaking of the people who buy his product? T

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On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > This is, of course, one of the classic hallmarks of the scammer. Many say this; but, to what end? He is not asking for money. Is it just the attention? Was he improperly weaned as a child? T

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On 11-12-04 09:53 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Horace Heffner > wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/04/slides-from-sept-22-nasa-lenr-innovation-forum-workshop/ ... On the second day, when the former NASA staff member

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On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Why are you so sure of his honesty? > Krivit's? First, I have no reason to doubt it. It seems likely that NASA people did that, saw that and said that. It's consistent with Rossi's history. Second, if Krivit is lying about what NASA saw an

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Why are you so sure of his honesty? 2011/12/5 Mary Yugo > > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > >> What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel >> visited Rossi. >> >> >> 2011/12/5 Horace Heffner >> >>> >>> On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrot

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On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel > visited Rossi. > > > 2011/12/5 Horace Heffner > >> >> On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: >> >> Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being ca

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On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel visited Rossi. Oh! Sorry! 2011/12/5 Horace Heffner On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being caugh

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On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: > http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/12/04/slides-from-** > sept-22-nasa-lenr-innovation-**forum-workshop/ > > ... On the second day, when th

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What video? I am talking about what happened to when NASA personnel visited Rossi. 2011/12/5 Horace Heffner > > On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > > Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being caught with > pats now that these slides are available. He ddin't post

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On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being caught with pats now that these slides are available. He ddin't post the full slides until ecatbuilder uploaded them. The video speaks for itself. Are you saying the video was fak

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Or Krivit is simply lying or telling half truths and is being caught with pats now that these slides are available. He ddin't post the full slides until ecatbuilder uploaded them. 2011/12/5 Horace Heffner > http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/12/04/slides-from-** > sept-22-nasa-lenr-innovation