RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-26 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:26 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.109.027202 The Casimir force arises because of quantum fluctuations of the electromagnetic field

Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-26 Thread Axil Axil
on probabilities??? I think it’s obvious why that is the case…. ** ** -mi ** ** *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:26 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? ** ** http

RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-25 Thread Jones Beene
Nice - if true. The big plus is the connection to Ni-H, which is far from obvious. Even if the emdrive violates one or more physical principles (Laws) such as conservation of momentum, it may still be subject to CoE. But the fact that it works at all, if it does, gives plausible support to the

Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-25 Thread David Roberson
This is a remarkable achievement if it can be proven to perform as suggested. I have a problem with the concept of force generation without ejecting mass(or energy). The continual application of a device such as this will result in a significant amount of kinetic energy along with momentum

Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-25 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:17 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] This is a remarkable achievement if it can be proven to perform as suggested. I have a problem with the concept of force generation without ejecting mass(or energy). The continual application of a

Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-25 Thread David Roberson
emdrive alive and kicking in China? In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:10:17 -0400 (EDT): i, snip] This is a remarkable achievement if it can be proven to perform as suggested. have a problem with the concept of force generation without ejecting mass(or nergy

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-25 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Thanks Jones, I was thinking about jumping in but you put it much more succinctly than I could have managed! Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-25 Thread Roarty, Francis X
, July 25, 2012 6:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? That is true Robin. And if momentum can be imparted upon the vacuum then perhaps this is a hint that warp drives might be possible. Dave -Original Message- From

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-25 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Corrected link http://scienceblog.com/19440/alternate-theory-for-hydrino-based-on-casimir-cavities/ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? Nice

Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: As I have suggested in the past, the only way this could work is if momentum is imparted to the vacuum itself, i.e. to the universe as a whole, thus allowing momentum to be conserved. Some kind of ether would be a convenient thing

RE: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-25 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: As I have suggested in the past, the only way this could work is if momentum is imparted

Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?

2012-07-25 Thread Axil Axil
. -Mark Iverson ** ** *From:* Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:14 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China? ** ** On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote