Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-19 Thread James Bowery
You've got a hypothesis: A specific configuration, presented as treatment of experimental subjects, produces an effect -- even if only an enhancement of the placebo effect. The null hypothesis upon which to base the control experiment: Even though a placebo effect may be present and in fact

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-19 Thread Alexander Hollins
...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 10:57 am Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here? John, I think Ed Storm coined the NAE as a Nuclear Active environment.. not really defining how the lattice geometry does what

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-19 Thread Harry Veeder
You do a double blind trial by automating the process and covering the screen. Program a computer to randomly display one of your images or a blank screen every minute of so. The computer will keep a record of what was displayed during each time interval. During the interval test subjects will

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-19 Thread Harry Veeder
I think you should also do a version where passive images are printed paper and kept in sealed envelopes. A video image is an active image in the sense that it requires an electrical power source to be present. As a result a video image might channel or focus EM fields and radiation in such a way

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-19 Thread John Berry
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 2:57 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: So, let me ask you again for an acceptable control experiment but in different terms: What sort of picture does your theory predict will be very similar to the experimental treatment picture, but lack the essential

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-19 Thread James Bowery
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 2:57 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: So, let me ask you again for an acceptable control experiment but in different terms: What sort of picture does your theory predict will be

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-19 Thread John Berry
Do you have any idea whether the inactive one would frequently be made active by variations in display setttings? Not very likely. There are various difficulties, not that it should stop you but you should be aware of them. Aetheric energy can couple over large distances, additionally it

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-18 Thread Roarty, Francis X
John, Eye candy, vertigo and mood alteration are certainly examples of light patterns affecting the brain through optical stimulation but I would not qualify this as engineering the ether. It is an interesting subject but I disagree with you titling this subject as based on ether theory.

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-18 Thread John Berry
This is not made to effect the eye or brain. It works with eyes closed. As do images that look like a solid colour to the eyes, they still work (due to subtle colour variation the eye can't make out). If you put the 'shooter' image on screen and feel the right side of the screen from the back or

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-18 Thread John Berry
Let me add that I also know that this has nothing to do with visual effects because this is only one form I have used to effect the aether. It started when I made a coil a bit over a year ago, I could very very faintly at first feel something in my hand. It was near the level of imagination at

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-18 Thread James Bowery
What would be an acceptable control experiment that could distinguish between placebo and real effect? What about double blind? On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:13 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Let me add that I also know that this has nothing to do with visual effects because this

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-18 Thread John Berry
It is funny that not a single new person has reported even testing the images. Both Jones Bennee and Gibson Elliot had tested and reported back with positive results before I posted this to Vortex. So before everyone tries to debunk it, find fault. How about actually testing it and reporting back

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-18 Thread James Bowery
Running a control experiment is debunking? On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: It is funny that not a single new person has reported even testing the images. Both Jones Bennee and Gibson Elliot had tested and reported back with positive results before I

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-18 Thread James Bowery
You know, John, if I were an amazing Randi type, aside from the fact that I wouldn't be caught dead posting to vortex-l, I would propose my own control experiment rather than asking you what you considered to be an acceptable control experiment. If I were the Amazing Randi, my control experiment

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-18 Thread John Berry
First off, thank you for at least considering this. Yes I a bit frustrated that no one new has reported even trying these images, but I did not mean to show any disrespect. There is an issue I didn't really want to get to yet, but I think it must be considered if we are going to get into the

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-17 Thread Roarty, Francis X
-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here? It seems to me that the idea of an ether is a useful one, albeit not in the form people were anticipating early last century. I believe they expected to find experimental evidence of a general movement

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-16 Thread Roarty, Francis X
John, I think Ed Storm coined the NAE as a Nuclear Active environment.. not really defining how the lattice geometry does what it does but rather just defining the area where it occurs.. these hot spots do sometimes produce trace amounts of nuclear ash but not enough to account

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-16 Thread David Roberson
:57 am Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here? John, I think Ed Storm coined the NAE as a Nuclear Active environment.. not really defining how the lattice geometry does what it does but rather just defining the area where it occurs.. these hot

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?

2013-04-16 Thread Eric Walker
It seems to me that the idea of an ether is a useful one, albeit not in the form people were anticipating early last century. I believe they expected to find experimental evidence of a general movement in a specific direction if an ether existed. I see no reason to think that an either needs to