You know, John, if I were an amazing Randi type, aside from the fact that I wouldn't be caught dead posting to vortex-l, I would propose my own control experiment rather than asking you what you considered to be an acceptable control experiment.
If I were the Amazing Randi, my control experiment would be something like show a bunch of people random images and ask them if they "felt anything". I would then proceed to lead a monkey beat upon you satisfying the egos of a bunch of "skeptics" that they had the strength of numbers on their side. So how about showing me the respect that I showed you by asking you what YOU would consider to be an acceptable control experiment? On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:09 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Running a control experiment is "debunking"? > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> It is funny that not a single new person has reported even testing the >> images. >> Both Jones Bennee and Gibson Elliot had tested and reported back with >> positive results before I posted this to Vortex. >> >> So before everyone tries to debunk it, find fault. >> How about actually testing it and reporting back what if anything you got >> from it? >> >> For me the intensity of the energy is far far beyond anything that my >> imagination alone can conjure up. >> But I accept that may not be the case for most. >> >> John >> >> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> What would be an acceptable control experiment that could distinguish >>> between placebo and real effect? What about double blind? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:13 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Let me add that I also know that this has nothing to do with visual >>>> effects because this is only one form I have used to effect the aether. >>>> >>>> It started when I made a coil a bit over a year ago, I could very very >>>> faintly at first feel something in my hand. >>>> It was near the level of imagination at first, but it became more >>>> apparent as the energy gathered in my hand until it was undeniable. >>>> >>>> I thought it might have had a conventional explanation until I found it >>>> worked for a few minutes after turning the power off. >>>> >>>> I learnt more and made one that needed no power and was stronger, I >>>> tested it on people and found a majority could feel it. >>>> >>>> I have since made many more coils and had about 200+ people feel a >>>> sensation (over 90%, often about 97%, occasionally a lower percentage feel >>>> it, but always a majority). >>>> >>>> I have made audio files that use some of the principles I found to get >>>> computer speakers to make the energy (sometimes it is not the sound but the >>>> EM from the speakers that effects the aether). >>>> >>>> And I have done a lot of work with images since they can effect the >>>> aether just fine, but have many many advantages. >>>> >>>> So if it was just an effect with the mind, then these same principles >>>> would not work when in coil form hidden from sight in a tube, but it works >>>> fine. >>>> >>>> So before you write this off as some bio-sensory trick, give it a try. >>>> Why wouldn't light effect the medium in which it has it's existence? >>>> Really by definition it must. Well, it does. >>>> >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:14 AM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is not made to effect the eye or brain. >>>>> It works with eyes closed. >>>>> As do images that look like a solid colour to the eyes, they still >>>>> work (due to subtle colour variation the eye can't make out). >>>>> >>>>> If you put the 'shooter' image on screen and feel the right side of >>>>> the screen from the back or not looking at the screen, the energy can >>>>> still >>>>> be felt. >>>>> Having said that, it depends on the persons sensitivity. >>>>> >>>>> Some people can't feel it in their palms, but enough can. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't believe me, here is a radical idea, try it. >>>>> Stick the image on screen and feel at the 'output' of the shooter >>>>> image and see if you can feel something (likely subtle, a breeze, a cool, >>>>> a >>>>> warmth, a tingle, something), then try without being able to see the >>>>> image. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Roarty, Francis X < >>>>> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> John,**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Eye candy, vertigo and mood alteration are certainly examples of >>>>>> light patterns affecting the brain through optical stimulation but I >>>>>> would >>>>>> not qualify this as engineering the ether. It is an interesting subject >>>>>> but >>>>>> I disagree with you titling this subject as based on ether theory.*** >>>>>> * >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Fran**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com] >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:05 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>>>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists >>>>>> here?**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> Harry, thanks for your appreciation.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> But it isn't about drawings.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure, that is the option I have selected to share since it is sooo >>>>>> easy to replicate.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> I can also make sound files that create energy that can be felt.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> And programs**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> And videos, but the easiest to share is images.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> I can share coils, I can share electrical circuits.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> It is about breaking into a new realm of physics that makes much more >>>>>> extraordinary technology possible.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> So who is interested? >>>>>> So far no one new has apparently tried to feel the energy.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought the only reason to be here was interests in breakthrough >>>>>> discoveries in science that change what is possible, it seems however >>>>>> that >>>>>> there are very very few even willing to dip their toe in the water.** >>>>>> ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> John**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for positing this. >>>>>> It is about drawing the world into existence.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> Newton drew a clock-work universe into existence using geometry >>>>>> and the tools of a mechanical draftsmen.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> "...geometry is founded in mechanical practice, and is nothing but >>>>>> that part of universal mechanics which accurately proposes and >>>>>> demonstrates >>>>>> the art of measuring." --from the preface to Principia **** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Today, we don't have to confine ourselves to mechanical practices >>>>>> when drawing geometry so we can draw different worlds into existence. >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> Harry**** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:56 AM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:**** >>>>>> >>>>>> And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development >>>>>> with some previous ones.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> All in an effort to reduce the odds of having people report they >>>>>> don't feel anything.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, best in a dark room (but not required).**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> Feel for any sensations.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:43 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:**** >>>>>> >>>>>> A worthwhile improvement for both images:**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:**** >>>>>> >>>>>> I sent the wrong image by mistake, the first link should have been >>>>>> this one:**** >>>>>> >>>>>> http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4411/thelateststrongest2.png**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
