Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-23 Thread Robin
In reply to Andrew Meulenberg's message of Sat, 23 Jul 2022 09:50:22 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Both classical and quantum physicists get fixed within their own framework. >"To a hammer, everything looks like a nail." If a hammer is all you have in your toolbox, then it's severely lacking. ;) [snip] If

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-23 Thread Robin
In reply to Vibrator !'s message of Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:55:04 +0100: Hi, [snip] >The issue is that a graviton would be a spin-0 gauge boson, commuting only >attractive force; a spin-1 mediator of both attractive and repulsive >forces is obvs already fulfilled by photons or virtual photons. >

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-23 Thread Andrew Meulenberg
Sean, You asked "Is it meaningful to speak of "resonance" when something is rotating in only one direction?" Consider a car engine. Ignoring any internal resonances, it has a max-power point at some frequency. If you add a muffler, you have modified the external environment to the engine (most

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-23 Thread Vibrator !
Some incredible updates to report on: • the list now includes many more examples of box-orbs linking up like this You can watch as two box-orbs approach one another, touch and partially merge, then extrude the tether out between them as they part. Then they fly off together as a unit. There's

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-23 Thread Vibrator !
The issue is that a graviton would be a spin-0 gauge boson, commuting only attractive force; a spin-1 mediator of both attractive and repulsive forces is obvs already fulfilled by photons or virtual photons. Qualitatively, 'gravity' reduces to a time-constant rate of exchange of signed momentum,

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-18 Thread Andrew Meulenberg
I don't know. On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 8:46 PM Sean Logan wrote: > Dear Andrew, > >Thank you for the information on Falaco Solitons. Is Cartan the one > who introduced the idea of "rotating spacetime" into the theory of > Relativity? > >>

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-18 Thread Sean Logan
Dear Andrew, Thank you for the information on Falaco Solitons. Is Cartan the one who introduced the idea of "rotating spacetime" into the theory of Relativity? >

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-17 Thread Andrew Meulenberg
Sean, You ask " Do you think we could make a macroscopic electron? I mean, one that's a couple feet across?" You have asked the right question. Sarfatti, at the end of his "update" ( https://www.academia.edu/s/18395c2bc3?source=ai_email ), includes his equations for a macroscopic wormhole. He

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-16 Thread Sean Logan
Oh, excuse me :) That message was meant for "Vibrator !" I like what you have to say about electrons. Do you think we could make a macroscopic electron? I mean, one that's a couple feet across? On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 9:10 PM Andrew Meulenberg wrote: > just an interested bystander >

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-16 Thread Andrew Meulenberg
just an interested bystander On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 10:00 PM Sean Logan wrote: > > Are you on the welcoming committee? > > Perhaps it's time you made liaison with the box orb pilots. > >

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-16 Thread Frank Grimer
This sounds like an example of the whirling of shafts "Whirling of shafts occurs due to *rotational imbalance of a shaft*, even in the absence of external loads, which causes resonance to occur at certain speeds, known as critical speeds." Large electricity generating turbines have to be taken

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-16 Thread Sean Logan
Are you on the welcoming committee? Perhaps it's time you made liaison with the box orb pilots.

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-16 Thread Sean Logan
I have a question about things that rotate: Is it meaningful to speak of "resonance" when something is rotating in only one direction (Clockwise, for example)? When I think of "resonance", I think of a guitar string vibrating back and forth, or a parallel LC circuit, with the current flowing

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-16 Thread Andrew Meulenberg
Did you check out https://www.academia.edu/s/18395c2bc3?source=ai_email ? On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 7:04 PM Vibrator ! wrote: > I didn't put any on tick tok. > > I didn't 'put' any anywhere. > > Again, every day for the last few weeks i've come home from work and > checked YouTube for the last 24

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-16 Thread Andrew Meulenberg
Dear Sean, I like your derivation. It appears to be another indication of the resonance giving stability to the electron at a specific "size". A similar exercise gives its angular momentum to be 1/2 that of the photon simultaneously forming it and the positron. I think of a sphere of the

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-12 Thread Robin
In reply to Sean Logan's message of Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:09:28 -0700: Hi Sean, Frankly I'm not sure what it means myself, but it can't be a coincidence, and is likely a clue to the nature of space-time, or at least the nature of the electron. "mean something" was both meant to be taken

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-12 Thread Sean Logan
Hello, Are you suggesting that long ago, in the time of Classical Physics, someone performed the same simple algebraic calculation I just did, and looked with consternation upon the result? "Hmm, you guys, this number seems to be off. Let's multiply it by a correction factor. We'll call it

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-12 Thread Robin
In reply to Sean Logan's message of Tue, 12 Jul 2022 12:44:55 -0700: Hi, BTW I wonder if relativistic mass increase should be taken into account, if it's spinning at the speed of light (or close to it), and if the fine structure constant is related to that? [snip] If no one clicked on ads

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-12 Thread Robin
In reply to Sean Logan's message of Tue, 12 Jul 2022 12:44:55 -0700: Hi Sean, If you multiply your value by the fine structure constant, you get the classical electron radius. If you divide by the fine structure constant, you get the Bohr radius. This has to "mean" something. ;) >Dea Robin,

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-12 Thread Sean Logan
Dea Robin, I ran the numbers, and the radius comes out even larger than the "Classical Electron Radius". Here I wrote up my work in Latex so it's easy to read: https://spaz.org/~magi/appendix/electron-latex.html I got an electron radius of: r = 3.863395 x 10^-13 meters Whereas the

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-11 Thread Robin
In reply to Sean Logan's message of Mon, 11 Jul 2022 18:15:19 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Hurricanes have cores too. Called the 'eye'. Would it be possible to make >a macroscopic electron, by stirring the Natural Medium around fast enough? >Don't electrons rotate at something like 790 times the speed of

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-11 Thread Sean Logan
> > > With a quasi solid core where the speed of rotation exceeds the > information transmission speed of the fluid/field (FLEID). > > Bit like an apple really. :-) > Hurricanes have cores too. Called the 'eye'. Would it be possible to make a macroscopic electron, by stirring the Natural

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-11 Thread Frank Grimer
> > I would be more inclined to say that electrons are eddies, rather than > whole atoms. I think of the other particles in > the zoo as composite eddies. (Wheels within wheels as it were.) With a quasi solid core where the speed of rotation exceeds the information transmission speed of the

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-11 Thread Robin
In reply to Sean Logan's message of Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:24:06 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Ahh, so even atoms are made of this stuff? I like your description of them >as ''eddies'' in the liquid. When you're paddling a canoe, as you pull the >paddle out of the water, (after a stroke), there is sometimes

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-11 Thread Sean Logan
Ahh, so even atoms are made of this stuff? I like your description of them as ''eddies'' in the liquid. When you're paddling a canoe, as you pull the paddle out of the water, (after a stroke), there is sometimes a little whirlpool flowing away. Didn't Rene Descartes propose the idea that atoms

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-11 Thread Robin
In reply to Sean Logan's message of Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:14:14 -0700: Hi Sean, [snip] >Robin, > > Would you like to propose an experiment, to help us learn about the >nature of this Ocean? If you start with a uniform fluid, then the only way to introduce particles is through rotations within

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-11 Thread Sean Logan
Robin, Would you like to propose an experiment, to help us learn about the nature of this Ocean? My pet theory is that the medium, through which radio waves travel, exists in more than three dimensions of space. Sean

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-09 Thread Robin
In reply to Frank Grimer's message of Sat, 9 Jul 2022 07:32:55 +0100: Hi Frank, I don't think these are just questions for philosophers. If we ever hope to manipulate gravity, or inertia, then we need to have a better understanding of the "ocean". [snip] If no one clicked on ads companies would

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-09 Thread Frank Grimer
Thanks for your reply. Robin (my favorite garden bird :-)). A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-08 Thread Sean Logan
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 1:51 PM Robin wrote: > In reply to Frank Grimer's message of Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:21:32 +0100: > > >> why do like charges repel, and unlike charges attract? > >Because one is a source, the other is a sink at the bottom of a deep > ocean. > Yes, that's the way I think

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-08 Thread Robin
In reply to Frank Grimer's message of Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:21:32 +0100: Hi Frank, >> >> why do like charges repel, and unlike charges attract? > > >Because one is a source, the other is a sink at the bottom of a deep ocean. That's certainly one possibility. However it raises even more questions.

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-08 Thread Frank Grimer
> > why do like charges repel, and unlike charges attract? Because one is a source, the other is a sink at the bottom of a deep ocean. Unlike charges have a Bernoulli flow between them. One is a source - the other is a sink This leads to their apparent attraction. In reality they are being

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-08 Thread Robin
In reply to Vibrator !'s message of Sat, 2 Jul 2022 01:41:55 +0100: Hi, >> Every moving thing on the planet does the same thing. However the net effect >> is >> zero.. > >Reciprocity is obviously broken for effectively-reactionless >accelerations however. >Let me try restate the conundrum more

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-08 Thread Robin
In reply to Vibrator !'s message of Mon, 4 Jul 2022 11:12:33 +0100: Hi, [snip] > >..if i may insist however, this thing below is not a fire lantern: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiowRwpwVAQ=6s Indeed, but it may be a box-kite with an essentially invisible nylon tether. They come in a

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-04 Thread Frank Grimer
1747 words - in the middle of the night. One can't help but applaud your enthusiasm, Vibrator. On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 at 01:04, Vibrator ! wrote: > I didn't put any on tick tok. > > I didn't 'put' any anywhere. > > Again, every day for the last few weeks i've come home from work and > checked

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-04 Thread Vibrator !
I didn't put any on tick tok. I didn't 'put' any anywhere. Again, every day for the last few weeks i've come home from work and checked YouTube for the last 24 hrs' UAP uploads. I skip the dross, and categorise the rest. So, 'this one goes under this header, this one belongs on that list, this

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-04 Thread Frank Grimer
I did look at some, not all, of the ones you put on tick tock. As for this one - blue skies - flashing like a semaphore - ergo - a firelantern with reflecting panels tumbling around in the wind. Not rocket science is it. On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 at 11:13, Vibrator ! wrote: > > If you want to

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-04 Thread Vibrator !
> If you want to believe in little green men, be my guest. ..so you haven't looked at any of the evidence? Just wanted to say hello eh.. Well on the off-chance you ever get bored, or really want answers to these big questions, maybe take a look in your own time.. I don't see anyone else making

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-02 Thread Frank Grimer
If you want to believe in little green men, be my guest. But don't look up to the sky while riding that motorbike. You might finish up like the astronomer in Aesop's fable. On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 at 03:36, Vibrator ! wrote: > Latest additions under "indistinct boxes / orbs / others" include this >

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-02 Thread Vibrator !
Latest additions under "indistinct boxes / orbs / others" include this gem, uploaded just now: watch?v=QJkMBZq41Yo ..so, these are unambiguously your standard flying orbs; definitely not drones, yet under intelligent control, and certainly not floating passively like Chinese lanterns. They

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-02 Thread Vibrator !
> Chinese fire lanterns. Which explains why they are seen all around the > world. It wouldn't surprise me if you even have a small Chinese community > in W3. Always appreciate your thoughts, but these things defy such easy dismissal. I've specifically avoided listing most orange-orb sightings

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-02 Thread Frank Grimer
Chinese fire lanterns. Which explains why they are seen all around the world. It wouldn't surprise me if you even have a small Chinese community in W3. On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 at 01:59, Vibrator ! wrote: > If you check the 'box-orbs' list, i now have at least two that clearly > show tethered pairs:

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-01 Thread Vibrator !
If you check the 'box-orbs' list, i now have at least two that clearly show tethered pairs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZubVcEHtBlw https://www.tiktok.com/@draw_my_town/video/7104013293471304965?lang=en Same flight config too.. as if the lower one were perhaps siphoning some fluid from the

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-07-01 Thread Vibrator !
> Every moving thing on the planet does the same thing. However the net effect > is > zero.. Reciprocity is obviously broken for effectively-reactionless accelerations however. Let me try restate the conundrum more clearly: • gravity's a mutual attraction between masses / inertias as observed

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-06-30 Thread Robin
In reply to Vibrator !'s message of Thu, 30 Jun 2022 10:10:08 +0100: Hi, [snip] >These things potentially have us on a leash.. basic physics tells us that >what superficially _looks_ like 'anti-gravity' is, in practice, more akin >to a tug applying a course-correction via a tractor-beam. [snip]

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-06-28 Thread Vibrator !
> Obviously no one has heard of them, because you just invented the name. I first saw that term in reference to the box-shaped object that flew uncomfortably close between two military jets travelling in the opposite direction - this particular incident often given as an example of why the

Re: [Vo]:It's Time We Talked About the Box-Orbs..

2022-06-27 Thread Robin
In reply to Vibrator !'s message of Mon, 27 Jun 2022 22:48:03 +0100: Hi, [snip] >No one else seems to be talking about them, or even noticing the >predominance of this particular UAP. You've got your basic saucers, your >cigars and various 'foo-fighter' and 'ghost rockets' etc.. but who ever