Re: [Vo]:theory behind hydroxy gas production using Stanley Meyers unit

2008-04-21 Thread thomas malloy
MAJ Todd Hathaway wrote: This outlines some of the theory behind hydroxy gas production in the Bob Boyce resonance drive systems we are building, similar to the Stanley Meyer's system as described below: AFAIK, the best Boyce Electrolyzers approach the theoretical efficiency of

RE: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-21 Thread Andreas.Sangberg
Hi all, This is the first time I post on this message board, so please be gentle =) I just wanted to provide an outside view on the rising oil prices. To me it seems like the value of $ has been dropping and if you look at the increased price of oil and compare it to the falling value of the

RE: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-21 Thread MAJ Todd Hathaway
collapsing dollar: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CLK08.NYMt=5d $177/barrel as of this morning...similar trends with other commodities [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This is the first time I post on this message board, so please be gentle =) I just wanted to provide an outside

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-21 Thread R C Macaulay
Andreas wrote, If I buy oil in SEK or Euro the oil prices has almost stood still... So are oil prices really climbing or is the dollar falling? Howdy Andreas, You peeked ! One must understand that in order to enjoy watching the Wizard of Oz, one must accept the rules of the game... do not

[Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread fznidarsic
I went home to Johnstown PA on 4/21/08.? Hillery was speaking?in the?gym of the Johnstown high school on that day.? I went to see her early. I dropped off a note to her secret service agent.? He said he would give it to Hillery.? The hand written note requrested that she support the efforts of

[Vo]:there is the man who took my note

2008-04-21 Thread fznidarsic
He is standing behind Hillery in the picture. http://www.tribune-democrat.com/homepage/local_story_111203229.html?keyword=leadpicturestory Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This is the first time I post on this message board, so please be gentle =) I just wanted to provide an outside view on the rising oil prices. To me it seems like the value of $ has been dropping and if you look at the increased price of oil and compare it

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
A friend of mine in his 50s has no health insurance. Normally this is not a problem because he is a vet who goes to the VA hospital. He has a lot or problems, including some service related ones. The other day he suffered from a minor stroke and passed out while at a Lowe's hardware

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Edmund Storms
This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many times each day. The basic problem is that the American people have accepted the idea that life in this country should be based mainly on the individual effort, with socialism being un-American. Liberalism, which tries to use the state to

Re: [Vo]:The Rent-a-Motor concept

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Foster
Jones wrote: BTW - why do we continue to have pennies? What a waste of copper and *time* for clerks. I bet the net-cost of using pennies and even nickels is in the billions of wasted dollars. Let's get rid of this gigantic anachronism, ASAP !!! Pennies aren't copper, or at least not much

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread leaking pen
I HAVE insurance, but failed to read the deductible part of it. Went to the emergency room for a cut open hand, like, you could see fat tissue and nerves, that cut. Was told as i was leaving they had my insurance info, no problem. Turns out theres a 1 grand deductible on emergency room visits

Re: [Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is going to cut taxes. provide universal heath care, Mutually exclusive. Terry

Re: [Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread Harry Veeder
On 21/4/2008 11:07 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is going to cut taxes. provide universal heath care, Mutually exclusive. Terry depends on who will get the tax cuts. Harry

Re: [Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread Harry Veeder
On 21/4/2008 12:13 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: On 21/4/2008 11:07 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is going to cut taxes. provide universal heath care, Mutually exclusive. Terry depends on who will get the tax cuts. Harry

Re: [Vo]:theory behind hydroxy gas production using Stanley Meyers unit

2008-04-21 Thread thomas malloy
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to MAJ Todd Hathaway's message of Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:19:29 -0700 reinterpreting ordinary electrolysis. There must be some additional energy source involved that is not normally accounted for, and determining exactly what that energy source is, is the real

[Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread fznidarsic
She explained about the cost.? She assumed that the total heath care cost is a constant. The cost of the uninsured is made up for by billing the insured. The cost of covering the uninsured is getting to be to much for individuals and companies to assume. The cost of the uninsured should be

Re: [Vo]:The Rent-a-Motor concept

2008-04-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is information on a small but extremely powerful engine, which is in production for military use, and weighing only ~10 kilograms (22 lbs) for what is the equivalent of nearly 30 kilowatts output. With a TBO (time

Re: [Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cost of the uninsured should be picked up by the government. And just where does the government derive its income? Terry

[Vo]:The principle of the conservation of energy is a farce.

2008-04-21 Thread fznidarsic
The principle of the conservation of energy is not fundamental.  The common belief in it is a farce.  The positive energy of the universe is balanced by its negative gravitational potential. An interplay of transient interactions would holds the energy of the new system constant until the

Re: [Vo]:The Rent-a-Motor concept

2008-04-21 Thread Jones Beene
--- Terry Blanton wrote: With a TBO (time before overhaul) of 10 to 50 hours? As I recall that engine was designed for target drones, no? Hopefully the criteria and specs would be upgraded a bit for use as a backup engine. Which begs the question: why would you ever overhaul one anyway? ... or

Re: [Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is going to cut taxes. provide universal heath care, Mutually exclusive. Given the state of the economy, and the fact that Hillary isn't promising an instant withdrawal from Iraq (as far as I

Re: [Vo]:theory behind hydroxy gas production using Stanley Meyers unit

2008-04-21 Thread Jones Beene
Here is a video of what is very likely (my opinion) to be overunity hydrogen production from Ron Stiffler. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1pJEz0YGlQ Dr Stiffler has made no claims of the sort, but the numbers speak for themself in the context of the gas being evolved- and are certainly a bit

RE: [Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
One fully-loaded railroad car can carry as much (about 100 tons) as four semi trucks. Between the cost of diesel (now around $4/gal) and the shortage of drivers, rail transport is now significantly cheaper for distance hauling. Lawry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread OrionWorks
Frank sez: ... I was watching the trains along the main line PRR on Sunday. There was more traffic on the rail than I have ever seen. I assume that fuel prices are producing this. Pherhaps it is time to purcase some rail road stock. Frank Z My wife and I were planning on flying out to

Re: [Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread Mark S Bilk
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 01:33:51PM -0400, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: ... Universal health care, on the other hand, can be provided for free by using the Romney plan: You pass a law requiring everyone to obtain (private) health insurance. Voila: Overnight, everybody's covered! It's sort

Re: [Vo]:Went to see Hillery - dropped her a note.

2008-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark S Bilk wrote: If you can't afford auto insurance, you're not allowed to drive. If you can't afford health insurance, you're not allowed to... live? That is the crux of the matter. Economics theory treats all good alike. Whether we are buying a new car, a candy bar, groceries or gas

[Vo]:PETA prize for cultured meat

2008-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Somewhat more on topic than my friend's stroke: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html Here are some rather wacko comments from the article, reflecting the views of people who are apparently unaware of the biological origin of themselves: A founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, said

[Vo]:Cold Fusion, LENR, CMNS Book Index

2008-04-21 Thread Steven Krivit
Cold Fusion, LENR, CMNS Book Index http://newenergytimes.com/Books/books.htm

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion, LENR, CMNS Book Index

2008-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steve Krivit wrote: Cold Fusion, LENR, CMNS Book Index http://newenergytimes.com/Books/books.htm Huh. There are more books than I thought. I have a few other books that mention cold fusion in passing, or that have a chapter about it, such as Collins and Pinch, The Golum, which is pretty

[Vo]:Haiko Leitz is disconcerted by the decline of cold fusion

2008-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Haiko Leitz sent me this message, which he also posted to the CMNS group: I have retrieved the number of CMNS papers that have been published in scientific journals using two sources: a) INSPEC database b) Dieter Britz's bibliography (http://www.chem.au.dk/~db/fusion/biblio.html) Here's

[Vo]:the decline of cold fusion

2008-04-21 Thread fznidarsic
Were you not aware of this trend? It has been clear for many years that cold fusion is dying, because the researchers themselves are retiring and dying. This is what I described in the introduction to my book. I am not optimistic that the field will survive. - Jed How can that be? SPWAR

[Vo]:The principle of the conservation of energy is farce, corrected

2008-04-21 Thread fznidarsic
The principle of the conservation of energy is not fundamental.  The common belief in it is a farce.  The positive energy of the universe is balanced by its negative gravitational potential. An interplay of transient interactions would holds the energy of a new system constant until the

Re: [Vo]:the decline of cold fusion

2008-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can that be? SPWAR has detected high energy reactions from a cold fusion system. This is no small thing. Then the field dies. I do not think the SPWAR results have been replicated to everyone's satisfaction yet. Certainly the Russians have doubts, and they

Re: [Vo]:the decline of cold fusion

2008-04-21 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed, Perhaps detractors help to maintain interest in the subject, but they are dying off too. harry On 21/4/2008 3:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can that be? SPWAR has detected high energy reactions from a cold fusion system. This is no small thing. Then

Re: [Vo]:the decline of cold fusion

2008-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: Perhaps detractors help to maintain interest in the subject, but they are dying off too. Perhaps they do help maintain interest, but they do not increase to the number of peer-reviewed papers published per year, which is the metric Leitz measured. By that standard there

Re: [Vo]:the decline of cold fusion

2008-04-21 Thread R C Macaulay
All science research is cumulative and stimulates the imagination. There are ongoing studies and adjacent research. I choose to believe that Dr.Ron Stiffler has the energy and drive to open a few doors with his experiments. May even find something he wasn't looking for.. this often happens to

Re: [Vo]:theory behind hydroxy gas production using Stanley Meyers unit

2008-04-21 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:30:39 -0500 (CDT): Hi, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to MAJ Todd Hathaway's message of Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:19:29 -0700 reinterpreting ordinary electrolysis. There must be some additional energy source involved that is not

[Vo]:Re: HUP-spread-out electron feels (and thus Coulomb-screens?) like a point charge...

2008-04-21 Thread Michel Jullian
Not really a point charge of course. I meant a highly localized charge such as that of a nucleus, by opposition to the widely spread-out charge of an electron (due to the quantum uncertainty of its position). For most purposes, slow and massive nuclei can be treated as classical point charges,

Re: [Vo]:theory behind hydroxy gas production using Stanley Meyers unit

2008-04-21 Thread thomas malloy
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to thomas malloy's message of Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:30:39 -0500 (CDT): Hi, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to MAJ Todd Hathaway's message of Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:19:29 -0700 reinterpreting ordinary electrolysis. There must be some

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread OrionWorks
From Edmond Storms: This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many times each day. The basic problem is that the American people have accepted the idea that life in this country should be based mainly on the individual effort, with socialism being un-American. Liberalism, which tries

[Vo]:The Dark Side of the UGA

2008-04-21 Thread OrionWorks
The following personal essay was inspired by the recent discussions on health insurance (more precisely the lack of) brought to our attention by Jed, Ed, Stephen, and the Leaking pen. * * * * * An interesting analogy that made the smarmy economics of our country a little easier for me to

Re: [Vo]:The Rent-a-Motor concept

2008-04-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I recall that engine was designed for target drones, no? Hopefully the criteria and specs would be upgraded a bit for use as a backup engine. I think it has to do with the Wankel seals. They won't hold up as well on

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes, I agree. However, even if I were paying the bill, how would I, while sick, bargain with the doctor to lower my payment? The insurance company and the government are supposed to do this for me, in their own self-interest. If the government were the single payer, they would have a bigger

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Jeff Fink
If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it's free. Jeff -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:10 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance This is indeed a sad

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread leaking pen
Indeed, Senator Kyle a couple of years ago had a talk in the Scottsdale galleria, a large office building where I worked, in a town hall format. He talked about medicare D, and the beauty of how it made the us government the largest single buyer, and how it gave med d such bargaining rights. my

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes Jeff, that is an argument that is always raised when some form of socialized medicine is suggested. The fact is that under no successful system is the service completely free. For example, I'm one of the lucky people who has good insurance. Nevertheless, I have to pay part of the service

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Harry Veeder
If you are opposed to a free health care system thean you must have been opposed to the free interstate highway system. Harry Jeff Fink wrote: If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it's free. Jeff

Re: [Vo]:Re: HUP-spread-out electron feels (and thus Coulomb-screens?) like a point charge...

2008-04-21 Thread Harry Veeder
hmmm...at the scale of the nucleus the surface of the cathode is not a monolithic structure like the plate in the diagram... so in reality would the image charge be as localised as the one depicted in the diagram? harry On 21/4/2008 6:32 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: Not really a point charge of

Re: [Vo]:theory behind hydroxy gas production using Stanley Meyers unit

2008-04-21 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:43:40 -0500 (CDT): Hi, [snip] Well,let me put it another way. if someone were attempting to get an LENR reactor to work. Let's suppose that it worked, measurable anomolus heat out put. Then they built a hydrio generator and bubbled the