Re: [Vo]:The hydrogen s-orbital and the problem of muonic hydrogen
Does anyone know how (or if) in theory the proton's radius would effect rates of fusion? Would the proton have to be larger or smaller to increase rates of fusion? A smaller charge radius means less coulomb repulsion. When enough electrons shield enough positive charge from the proton, two protons will bind together in a pair; coulomb repulsion is neutralized. This is the basis for the Shukla,-Eliasson effect. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=6sqi=2ved=0CD8QFjAFurl=http%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fpdf%2F1209.0914ei=OSBQUO6SJKnF0AH5uoG4CAusg=AFQjCNHGAqMvSJxjgufVpRf7kYFcJtBBIwsig2=8fhHq-SEQvQCAJKvWP4j2A What shields the charge of the proton is unclear. It can’t be the charge, because the electron can approach very close to the proton without coulomb repulsion cancelation. But the muon shields the protons charge more than the electron. Could it be that the mass of the negative particle(s) must be increased to have increased shielding effects? It could be. Heavy (more energetic) electrons provide more shielding effects than do lighter (less energetic) ones at ground state. The trick to LENR might be not to ionize it into plasma but to pack as many electrons into hydrogen as possible. Rossi's reactor has high numbers of electrons packed inside; so many that they can be removed as a high powered current. DGT uses a spark to pack heavy electrons into their reactor. These extra electrons will be energetic and heavy because of the Pauli Exclusion Principle where no two identical fermions (particles with half-integer spin) may occupy the same quantum state simultaneously. The only place that these extra electrons can go is up in energy. These heavy electrons will have a high frequency. A heavy electron(s) may approach the mass of a muon. It might be the mass that is the key to this conundrum. Cheers:Axil On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps the proton's radius can be both increased and descreased under certain conditions. Does anyone know how (or if) in theory the proton's radius would effect rates of fusion? Would the proton have to be larger or smaller to increase rates of fusion? Harry On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: We've already gone over the new Science paper on muonic hydrogen elsewhere, but I saw a comment on E-Cat World that I thought was worth bringing up here. According to a summary of the Science article in Ars Technica [1], the problem I alluded to in the title is that the charge radius of the proton has been measured very accurately to be both 0.84fm and 0.88fm. This would not be a big deal if the accuracy of the measurements allowed both of these values. But the measurements are extremely accurate, and incompatible, unless there is something unexplained going on. The comment by Gerrit in E-Cat World elaborates [2]: Have we discussed the recent finding of the shrunken proton yet ? The proton in muonic hydrogen is 4% smaller that normal hydrogen. They cannot explain it with current understanding, yet the new measurements are very high accuracy. http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/hydrogen-made-with-muons-reveals-proton-size-conundrum/ “The proton structure is important because an electron in an S [ground] state has a nonzero probability to be inside the proton.” Oh wait a minute, if the electron is inside the proton, doesn’t the whole structure look like a neutron, ie it won’t see a coulomb barrier and can fuse with another hydrogen at will ? The next question that “established” science should target is measuring the proton size of a hydrogen in a metal lattice. I think it is inevitable that “established” science will eventually stumble over the same phenomenon that has been shown to exists for over 23 years. In a few years we’ll probably be hearing “Well, with the current understanding of physics we can no longer claim that Fleischmann and Pons were wrong” So it seems that under certain conditions, physicists are measuring something vaguely like Mills's fractional hydrogen -- it might be that it is Mills's fractional hydrogen, or it might be something entirely different. Gerrit asks whether you could get screening, e.g., sufficient to lead to the anomalous behavior in metal hydrides we've been following here, from whatever it is that is going on. The Ars Technica article ends with this interesting comment: The one option they [the research team] seem to like is the existence of relatively light force carriers that somehow remained undiscovered until now. New force carriers is an interesting thought. Would that imply a heretofore unknown interaction? Eric [1] http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/hydrogen-made-with-muons-reveals-proton-size-conundrum/ [2] http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/robotics-and-lenr/comment-page-1/#comment-105365
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
That is a general point about how governments manage transition. They want to protect jobs, and existing industries, not to help things to change to a better point. as i repeat often it is well explained in the Next convergence as the big problems with governments. Laisser-faire and saving jobs are opposite version of the same bad decision. the good one is to help the transition by investing in asset that are too longterm for the private sector, and to help workforec to survive during the (short) unemployment period, then train them so they can move (quickly) to the new industry/economy... it is very hard where the politic system is a demagogy. for the army, remoiving the huge waste would allow much more effcient army and strongest action... In france when you want to remove on barack campus, all the local authorities panic because ther is (still) nothing to replace... not so different from what happens when you shutdown a big industry in a place where it it have no more reason to exist... we shoul help people to move, instead of preventing them to move. in france the problems are well identified (real-estate, taxes, work laws) and not at all corrected, to protect incumbent, mouse in the cheese, and other economic rent. for US army, note that big par of Army budget is in fact subsidies hidden from WTO. Free market in US is a myth. 2013/1/26 Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Yes, Mark, this would be the best place to start. But jobs will be lost, the only issue is which jobs. Congress does not want to cut any jobs because these are voters. They only want to cut things that will piss off the fewest number of people who vote. The poor do not vote so they are fair game. Of course, a combination of increased taxes especially at the high end and careful cuts over a period of time would be the way to go. But as you note - fat chance. Ed On Jan 26, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Mark Goldes wrote: Ed, Huge cuts could be made in our military budget which is bloated, wasteful and largely redundant. (I was a USAF Officer and speak with first hand knowledge). That alone would make an enormous difference. Try and get Congress to approve it! Fat chance! Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute
Re: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions
Jones, I don't think your leap of faith is restricted to [snip]reversible fusion is slightly energetic [/snip] but rather that the cavity environment or NAE is the energetic source where any 2 body relationship established at one geometry can experience a discount toward disassociation when accomplished at a different geometry. It establishes a linkage between the moving 2 bodies and the sharply serrated fields established by changes in Casimir geometry. The geometry only has to accelerate or decelerate one body relative to the other in an unbalanced manner to accomplish a discount. At the most active geometry Casimir force trumps our square law isotropy and whenever that geometry changes you get breaks or serrations in the isotropy as the rules that limit these changes in value [square law vs Casimir formula] come in conflict with each other. Naudt's paper on relativistic hydrogen would hold that these bodies are unaware of their condition and their underlying motive force is therefore still provided for by normal gas laws such that no external energy has to be provided to load or transport said bodies into lattice or between geometries. My posit is that these changes in inertial frames are accomplished freely, easily and much more rapidly via Casimir suppression than the relativistic effects we are more accustomed to which require velocities in a Pythagorean relationship with C or a very deep gravity Well. Fran From: Eric Walker * why would any form of energy arbitration, in which a magnetic field is used to drain off a little bit of the mass of a proton, not also apply to neutrons and electrons? The leap of faith is that reversible fusion is slightly energetic. There could be reversible fusion with other nuclei but I doubt it, and am not aware of this type of reaction relating to anything other than P+P.
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
The fact that an analysis conflicts with every economist does not make it wrong. After their almost complete failure (yes I know there were some notable exceptions) to predict our current crisis I no longer have much faith in what economists say. A few years ago the UK Queen asked some economists at a function why they had not predicted the current mess, and to their credit they went away and came back with a report. The first real royal commission that we have had in a long time Nigel On 26/01/2013 23:54, Edmund Storms wrote: Sorry Jed, but your analysis conflicts with every economist that I have read and I read many. Raising taxes back to Clayton is not possible because the economy is not growing as fast as it was then so that the tax rate would have to be a bigger fraction of the income to provide the same amount of money, which people resist. Also, the debt is much larger now. We have passed the point of no return according to most analysts. Ed
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Ed, Where can we hide? I have studied hard and obtained 2 and 1/2 college degrees, have worked overtime for 34 years, and have downsized as companies closed down five times. There is no chance that Bethlehem Steel will ever hire me back. Same to say for the rest. I have saved some in my 401 K. I have earned social security. I have a small defined company pension. Got it while they were still giving it. The sum total is nothing glorious; however I did what they told me and kept my nose to the grindstone. I hope to have a used car in my future. Many are worse off. I have been doing contracts and have recently noted that nobody wants you much over 60. They don't want you full time after 42. . They want a young man that they can dispose of. They want to set him up for no job after forty. They want the middle age man just in case business conditions warrant that they might need him for a longer time. I have no clue what the young man is going to do. Who is my dentist going to bill excessively? Where do we go after 60 when all of the savings and entitlements are gone? I don't have another life time to do it again? There are a lot of us in this boat. I have been told that the Obama Care death panel may have an answer. Surely it will not end like this, this is America, it will be better. There may even be new productive opportunities begging to be filled. Maybe the assets invented in the entitlements will soar to new heights. What is your plan Ed? Please let me know. Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Like all subjects, some people understand and are generally basically right and there are people who do not have a clue and are basically wrong even though they have positions of power and fame. It really does matter whom you believe since we as individuals cannot master everything. To understand what is happening I suggest you read Empire of Debt and Currency Wars. Much of what goes on in the financial word is invisible to most people until the crash comes and they have lost everything, as millions have done during the latest collapse. The next shoe is about to drop and it will be much worse according to the same people who predicted the last collapse. Do not believe anything the government says or anything you hear from the spokesmen on TV. A disconnect exists between reality and what you are told by these people, just like exists with respect to cold fusion. We live essentially in two different realities these days. But then, that is my conclusion which you have no reason to believe either. Ed On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:54 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: The fact that an analysis conflicts with every economist does not make it wrong. After their almost complete failure (yes I know there were some notable exceptions) to predict our current crisis I no longer have much faith in what economists say. A few years ago the UK Queen asked some economists at a function why they had not predicted the current mess, and to their credit they went away and came back with a report. The first real royal commission that we have had in a long time Nigel On 26/01/2013 23:54, Edmund Storms wrote: Sorry Jed, but your analysis conflicts with every economist that I have read and I read many. Raising taxes back to Clayton is not possible because the economy is not growing as fast as it was then so that the tax rate would have to be a bigger fraction of the income to provide the same amount of money, which people resist. Also, the debt is much larger now. We have passed the point of no return according to most analysts. Ed
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Hi Frank, Thanks for a copy of your book. I'm part way through and find it very interesting. As to your question, a financial collapse always affects different people different ways depending where they live and their personal financial situation. Generally, a skilled person who uses common sense will do much better than other people. So, giving personal advice is hard. I can only suggest guide lines that I attempt to follow. The process will have two stages, an acute stage during which basic services may be affected in a few areas and a chronic stage during which the suffering will spread to almost everyone. The acute stage was avoided last time in 2008 while the chronic stage continues. The acute state was avoid by pumping a huge amount of money into the system by the Federal Reserve. This process continues and will fuel the next collapse. The government is trying to lessen the effects of the chronic phase but the Republicans are resisting this effort in favor of protecting the wealthy who are not affected by the process. So, the rest of us are on our own. So, what should an individual do? First, pay off all debt and take on no more. Buy gold and silver (I favor high quality coins) as a hedge against inflation and have cash in your home in case your bank has to close for awhile. Save every cent you can and buy nothing that is not essential. Learn how to invest your own savings in an IRA or personal account using internet trading. This tool is an amazing gift of the modern age that can allow a person of knowledge to avoid the worst of the collapse. In any case, sell any bond funds you have. If you can, move to a place where you can count on protection and access to basic services. And finally, do not worry - no event is as bad as it can be imagined. Sorry if this is too personal and off topic. Hopefully this advice is of interest to other people. Ed On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:52 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Ed, Where can we hide? I have studied hard and obtained 2 and 1/2 college degrees, have worked overtime for 34 years, and have downsized as companies closed down five times. There is no chance that Bethlehem Steel will ever hire me back. Same to say for the rest. I have saved some in my 401 K. I have earned social security. I have a small defined company pension. Got it while they were still giving it. The sum total is nothing glorious; however I did what they told me and kept my nose to the grindstone. I hope to have a used car in my future. Many are worse off. I have been doing contracts and have recently noted that nobody wants you much over 60. They don't want you full time after 42. . They want a young man that they can dispose of. They want to set him up for no job after forty. They want the middle age man just in case business conditions warrant that they might need him for a longer time. I have no clue what the young man is going to do. Who is my dentist going to bill excessively? Where do we go after 60 when all of the savings and entitlements are gone? I don't have another life time to do it again? There are a lot of us in this boat. I have been told that the Obama Care death panel may have an answer. Surely it will not end like this, this is America, it will be better. There may even be new productive opportunities begging to be filled. Maybe the assets invented in the entitlements will soar to new heights. What is your plan Ed? Please let me know. Frank Znidarsic
Fwd: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
A list of my friends. 1. Electrical Engineer me. At the start I could send out a resume and expect to be hired. Hung on at the end by taking contracts doing dirty work in coal fired power plants. Coal fire is down and I am hunkering. 2. Nurse RN, her husband abandoned her. Got rheumatoid arthritis and is now on the system. She is waiting for a rich man to help her and her son out. She will sue for money. Don't hit her on the road. 3. Nurse LPN, has fibra malaga and is now on the system. Prays a lot and turned born again. Hopes for an answer there and believes it. Nice looking if you can stand full time preaching. It appears that no one can. 4. Woman with schizophrenia, lives with elderly parents and is now on the system. Worried that her parents will die and leave her. 5. Telephone switching engineer. AS in engineering at 58 was thrown out. He is thinking of moving to Ecuador where has SSN will do more. Claims his X cleaned him out. 6. Aircraft mechanic with large airline. Wiffed out at 55 in the recession and now they don't want him back. He is to old. He is fixing up a piper cub for a friend. 7. Woman artist, nice looking 55. No one has money for art any more. She has no electrical power and has a hole in the kidney of her hot air coal furnace. I am worried that she will die of CO poisoning. Lye heap is coming, someday and the govt may provide a new furnace. I have sent her money and helped her. I will patch the furnace. She placed angles at the word trade center and at flight 95 when business was up. They will not give her food stamps because she was self employed. I brought her a case of chili. Its $1 a can at Walmart. 8. Woman, really nice looking hot 53 year old. Got the boot after 23 years at from clerical position at an electric utility and now works at Saint Vincent Depaul. She tells me that aluminium is up and you can get $30 for a trunk full of crushed cans. I give her credit she will pick up cans and take them to the dump. She is republican and will do it, she grows her own food and is getting ready. Ed may want to learn from her. A Beautiful looking woman by any means. I enjoy her company and she will listen. I wonder how long she can hold out. 9. Meter reader doing well. Informed that smart meters are coming. 10. Coal miner 60. UMWA mine closed down when he was 56. He can thank his lucky starts that his wife has a job in health care. 11. Elementary Ed teacher, young. Never got a job after graduation. Worked in Walmart handing out samples. Recently got a church related preschool teaching job. Does not make enough money for beans. 12. Public sector employee. Retired early at 55 and is riding high on the hog. Are these people going to pay off the national dept? Maybe I just need new friends and this is not real. Frank
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
The problem is xenophobia. With more high skilled laborers from Asia, none of this would have happened: A bipartisan group of Senators is planning to introduce a bill that allows the H-1B visa cap to rise automatically with demand to a maximum of 300,000 visas annually. This 20-page bill, called the Immigration Innovation Act of 2013 or the 'I-Squared Act of 2013,' is being developed by Sens. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), and Chris Coons (D-Del.). It may be introduced next week. Presently, the U.S. has an H-1B visa cap of 65,000. There are another 20,000 H-1B visas set aside for advanced degree gradates of U.S. universities, for 85,000 in total. Under the new bill, the base H-1B cap would increase from 65,000 to 115,000. But the cap would be allowed to rise automatically with demand, according to a draft of the legislation. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/01/25/187203/senators-seek-h-1b-cap-that-can-reach-30 On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:58 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A list of my friends. 1. Electrical Engineer me. At the start I could send out a resume and expect to be hired. Hung on at the end by taking contracts doing dirty work in coal fired power plants. Coal fire is down and I am hunkering. 2. Nurse RN, her husband abandoned her. Got rheumatoid arthritis and is now on the system. She is waiting for a rich man to help her and her son out. She will sue for money. Don't hit her on the road. 3. Nurse LPN, has fibra malaga and is now on the system. Prays a lot and turned born again. Hopes for an answer there and believes it. Nice looking if you can stand full time preaching. It appears that no one can. 4. Woman with schizophrenia, lives with elderly parents and is now on the system. Worried that her parents will die and leave her. 5. Telephone switching engineer. AS in engineering at 58 was thrown out. He is thinking of moving to Ecuador where has SSN will do more. Claims his X cleaned him out. 6. Aircraft mechanic with large airline. Wiffed out at 55 in the recession and now they don't want him back. He is to old. He is fixing up a piper cub for a friend. 7. Woman artist, nice looking 55. No one has money for art any more. She has no electrical power and has a hole in the kidney of her hot air coal furnace. I am worried that she will die of CO poisoning. Lye heap is coming, someday and the govt may provide a new furnace. I have sent her money and helped her. I will patch the furnace. She placed angles at the word trade center and at flight 95 when business was up. They will not give her food stamps because she was self employed. I brought her a case of chili. Its $1 a can at Walmart. 8. Woman, really nice looking hot 53 year old. Got the boot after 23 years at from clerical position at an electric utility and now works at Saint Vincent Depaul. She tells me that aluminium is up and you can get $30 for a trunk full of crushed cans. I give her credit she will pick up cans and take them to the dump. She is republican and will do it, she grows her own food and is getting ready. Ed may want to learn from her. A Beautiful looking woman by any means. I enjoy her company and she will listen. I wonder how long she can hold out. 9. Meter reader doing well. Informed that smart meters are coming. 10. Coal miner 60. UMWA mine closed down when he was 56. He can thank his lucky starts that his wife has a job in health care. 11. Elementary Ed teacher, young. Never got a job after graduation. Worked in Walmart handing out samples. Recently got a church related preschool teaching job. Does not make enough money for beans. 12. Public sector employee. Retired early at 55 and is riding high on the hog. Are these people going to pay off the national dept? Maybe I just need new friends and this is not real. Frank
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
But seriously, folks, check out this site: http://www.resilientcommunities.com/ On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:33 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is xenophobia. With more high skilled laborers from Asia, none of this would have happened: A bipartisan group of Senators is planning to introduce a bill that allows the H-1B visa cap to rise automatically with demand to a maximum of 300,000 visas annually. This 20-page bill, called the Immigration Innovation Act of 2013 or the 'I-Squared Act of 2013,' is being developed by Sens. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), and Chris Coons (D-Del.). It may be introduced next week. Presently, the U.S. has an H-1B visa cap of 65,000. There are another 20,000 H-1B visas set aside for advanced degree gradates of U.S. universities, for 85,000 in total. Under the new bill, the base H-1B cap would increase from 65,000 to 115,000. But the cap would be allowed to rise automatically with demand, according to a draft of the legislation. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/01/25/187203/senators-seek-h-1b-cap-that-can-reach-30 On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:58 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A list of my friends. 1. Electrical Engineer me. At the start I could send out a resume and expect to be hired. Hung on at the end by taking contracts doing dirty work in coal fired power plants. Coal fire is down and I am hunkering. 2. Nurse RN, her husband abandoned her. Got rheumatoid arthritis and is now on the system. She is waiting for a rich man to help her and her son out. She will sue for money. Don't hit her on the road. 3. Nurse LPN, has fibra malaga and is now on the system. Prays a lot and turned born again. Hopes for an answer there and believes it. Nice looking if you can stand full time preaching. It appears that no one can. 4. Woman with schizophrenia, lives with elderly parents and is now on the system. Worried that her parents will die and leave her. 5. Telephone switching engineer. AS in engineering at 58 was thrown out. He is thinking of moving to Ecuador where has SSN will do more. Claims his X cleaned him out. 6. Aircraft mechanic with large airline. Wiffed out at 55 in the recession and now they don't want him back. He is to old. He is fixing up a piper cub for a friend. 7. Woman artist, nice looking 55. No one has money for art any more. She has no electrical power and has a hole in the kidney of her hot air coal furnace. I am worried that she will die of CO poisoning. Lye heap is coming, someday and the govt may provide a new furnace. I have sent her money and helped her. I will patch the furnace. She placed angles at the word trade center and at flight 95 when business was up. They will not give her food stamps because she was self employed. I brought her a case of chili. Its $1 a can at Walmart. 8. Woman, really nice looking hot 53 year old. Got the boot after 23 years at from clerical position at an electric utility and now works at Saint Vincent Depaul. She tells me that aluminium is up and you can get $30 for a trunk full of crushed cans. I give her credit she will pick up cans and take them to the dump. She is republican and will do it, she grows her own food and is getting ready. Ed may want to learn from her. A Beautiful looking woman by any means. I enjoy her company and she will listen. I wonder how long she can hold out. 9. Meter reader doing well. Informed that smart meters are coming. 10. Coal miner 60. UMWA mine closed down when he was 56. He can thank his lucky starts that his wife has a job in health care. 11. Elementary Ed teacher, young. Never got a job after graduation. Worked in Walmart handing out samples. Recently got a church related preschool teaching job. Does not make enough money for beans. 12. Public sector employee. Retired early at 55 and is riding high on the hog. Are these people going to pay off the national dept? Maybe I just need new friends and this is not real. Frank
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Jed sez: Meant people do NOT like paying taxes . . . It is a shame we cannot edit these messages. No harm done, Jed. I thought you were just being sarcastic. Seemed perfectly appropriate at the time. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
[Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Subject: Fwd: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment If you want to help buy and angel. Her son was blown up by in IED in Afghanistan and is now in rehap. http://www.deliveringangels.com/ Frank
RE: [Vo]:100% conversion of heat to electricity with thermophotovoltaics
David, You are possibly misreading this article. It is poorly written to begin with. Carnot efficiency affects all heat engines in a similar way. Moreover, it is a basic limitation which deducts “off the top” so all other inefficiencies deduct from the lower number. From: David Jonsson Hi I have imagined using thermophotovoltaics to produce a highly efficient conversion from heat to electricity. Imagine having a heat source in a very thermally well insulated container. In the same container there is a thermophotovoltaic cell converting the heat radiation into electricity. Wouldn't a cell like that be very efficient? What stops it from being 100 % efficient, or having its efficiency reduced only by leaks in the thermal insulation? Even if the Carnot efficiency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermophotovoltaic#Efficiency is low it doesn't affect the total efficiency. The emitter will always be hotter than the converter, since the converter converts some of the heat radiation. There will always be some efficiency. Increase of dark current, as Wikipedia mentions as a reason for efficiency decrease at higher temperature, should be the same in both directions in the converter and could not lower efficiency. Either efficiency could be higher or the explanations of the efficiency lowering effects are wrong. Best would be to build a device and see what will happen. David
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Hi Frank, Thanks for a copy of your book. I'm part way through and find it very interesting. Thats what Bohr said when he did not like something. Its interesting He never said very interesting. So you really do like it. I am happy with that. I am selling 3 books a week. Not much. I could not make them and print them for the $10 cost that Amazon does. I am amazed by the print on demand technology. I am always rewriting. In now compute the velocity of sound in the nucleus from the wave number approach not the harmonic frequency approach. rp is the radius of the particle not the radius of the proton. I will clear this up on the new rewrite in a month or so. I had had no proof reads or co-author and I did my best. Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
The MFMP results are not looking very good at the moment as excess heat appears to be marginal or non-existent. However, the data now suggest the possibility of some slight anomalous cooling effect. I don't know if this cooling is real or the result some minor calibration error, but it raises the question of how we estimate excess power. Although we tend to associate excess power with anomalous heating, it seems to me that a system can exhibit excess power (or over unity) through either persistent anomalous cooling or persistent anomalous heating . But what if the system oscillates between periods of anomalous cooling and anomalous heating? Simply taking a time average would make the excess power appear to be much less or even non-existent. harry
Re: [Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
What is the link, please? 2013/1/27 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com , the data now suggest the possibility of some slight anomalous cooling effect. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
Oh sorry, it is here: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/204-much-lower-levels It is mentioned in a few places in the discussion. In one instance, if I recall correctly, someone calls it negative power. harry On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What is the link, please? 2013/1/27 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com , the data now suggest the possibility of some slight anomalous cooling effect. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
What do you think of my suggestion on their forums? http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/forum/welcome-mat/87-neutrino-detection-as-definitive-proof-and-hi 2013/1/27 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com Oh sorry, it is here: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/204-much-lower-levels It is mentioned in a few places in the discussion. In one instance, if I recall correctly, someone calls it negative power. harry On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What is the link, please? 2013/1/27 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com , the data now suggest the possibility of some slight anomalous cooling effect. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
But is he reading it while sitting in the smallest room in his house? :-) From: fznidar...@aol.com Hi Frank, Thanks for a copy of your book. I'm part way through and find it very interesting. Thats what Bohr said when he did not like something. Its interesting He never said very interesting. So you really do like it. I am happy with that. I am selling 3 books a week. Not much. I could not make them and print them for the $10 cost that Amazon does. I am amazed by the print on demand technology. I am always rewriting. In now compute the velocity of sound in the nucleus from the wave number approach not the harmonic frequency approach. rp is the radius of the particle not the radius of the proton. I will clear this up on the new rewrite in a month or so. I had had no proof reads or co-author and I did my best. Frank Znidarsic
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Ed, Yes. Time will tell. But the solution to our economic dilemmas requires bold thinking. SECOND INCOMES and HUMAN INVESTMENT TAX CREDITS can make a huge contribution. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:14 PM To: Mark Goldes Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment Thanks Mark. Their view of reality differs significantly from what the people I read describe. I tend to believe my people because they predicted the 2008 collapse while Krugman did not. In fact the difference is frightening similar to that earlier. Krugman sees no problem with the status quo while the people I read are in a panic. I expect we will have to wait and see who is right once again and then pick up the pieces afterward. Perhaps if Krugman et al. are wrong again, they can be ignored next time. Ed On Jan 27, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Mark Goldes wrote: Ed, Here is a clear answer regarding the deficit that recently appeared in a Krugman column in the NY Times Mr. Obama’s clearly deliberate neglect of Washington’s favorite obsession was just the latest sign that the self-styled deficit hawks — better described as deficit scolds — are losing their hold over political discourse. And that’s a very good thing. Why have the deficit scolds lost their grip? I’d suggest four interrelated reasons. First, they have cried wolf too many times. They’ve spent three years warning of imminent crisis — if we don’t slash the deficit now now now, we’ll turn into Greece, Greece, I tell you. It is, for example, almost two years since Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles declared that we should expect a fiscal crisis within, um, two years. But that crisis keeps not happening. The still-depressed economy has kept interest rates at near-record lows despite large government borrowing, just as Keynesian economists predicted all along. So the credibility of the scolds has taken an understandable, and well- deserved, hit. Second, both deficits and public spending as a share of G.D.P. have started to decline — again, just as those who never bought into the deficit hysteria predicted all along. The truth is that the budget deficits of the past four years were mainly a temporary consequence of the financial crisis, which sent the economy into a tailspin — and which, therefore, led both to low tax receipts and to a rise in unemployment benefits and other government expenses. It should have been obvious that the deficit would come down as the economy recovered. But this point was hard to get across until deficit reduction started appearing in the data. Now it has — and reasonable forecasts, like those of Jan Hatzius of Goldman Sachs, suggest that the federal deficit will be below 3 percent of G.D.P., a not very scary number, by 2015. And it was, in fact, a good thing that the deficit was allowed to rise as the economy slumped. With private spending plunging as the housing bubble popped and cash-strapped families cut back, the willingness of the government to keep spending was one of the main reasons we didn’t experience a full replay of the Great Depression. Which brings me to the third reason the deficit scolds have lost influence: the contrary doctrine, the claim that we need to practice fiscal austerity even in a depressed economy, has failed decisively in practice. Consider, in particular, the case of Britain. In 2010, when the new government of Prime Minister David Cameron turned to austerity policies, it received fulsome praise from many people on this side of the Atlantic. For example, the late David Broder urged President Obama to “do a Cameron”; he particularly commended Mr. Cameron for “brushing aside the warnings of economists that the sudden, severe medicine could cut short Britain’s economic recovery and throw the nation back into recession.” Sure enough, the sudden, severe medicine cut short Britain’s economic recovery, and threw the nation back into recession. At this point, then, it’s clear that the deficit-scold movement was based on bad economic analysis. But that’s not all: there was also clearly a lot of bad faith involved, as the scolds tried to exploit an economic (not fiscal) crisis on behalf of a political agenda that had nothing to do with deficits. And the growing transparency of that agenda is the fourth reason the deficit scolds have lost their clout. Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:11 AM To: Mark Goldes Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact
Re: [Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
I would say with 99.98 % confidence that anomalous cooling hints to the calibration error of instruments. There should not be any doubts for that. Cooling and going against the second law of thermodynamics, however is not that particularly surprising. Entropy decreased at large scale when the universe was just three seconds old. The primordial nucleosynthesis compressed huge amount of energy into protons and alpha particles. This caused entropy to decrease in isolated system. Also in supernovae explosions, entropy decreases when energy is trapped into atoms heavier than Ni-62. Hydrino formation goes also against the second law of thermodynamics and it causes thus the cooling of isolated system, because hydrinos are stable. However as I know that Mills' theory is wrong at fundamental level, this does not do as an explanation. However, hydrinos are interesting thought experiments, because it is trivial to envision logical conditions where the classical second law of thermodynamics will fail in isolated system. Is this then yet another failure for cold fusion, or is it still too early to tell? —Jouni On Jan 28, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The MFMP results are not looking very good at the moment as excess heat appears to be marginal or non-existent. However, the data now suggest the possibility of some slight anomalous cooling effect. I don't know if this cooling is real or the result some minor calibration error, but it raises the question of how we estimate excess power. Although we tend to associate excess power with anomalous heating, it seems to me that a system can exhibit excess power (or over unity) through either persistent anomalous cooling or persistent anomalous heating . But what if the system oscillates between periods of anomalous cooling and anomalous heating? Simply taking a time average would make the excess power appear to be much less or even non-existent. harry
Re: [Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
Maybe the wire is getting old after so much testing. To be sure, another one should be made. 2013/1/28 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Is this then yet another failure for cold fusion, or is it still too early to tell? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
Cooling and going against the second law of thermodynamics Cooling only goes against the second law if the particle(s) never give the entropy back to their surroundings, which is not known Stewart darkmattersalot,com On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the wire is getting old after so much testing. To be sure, another one should be made. 2013/1/28 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Is this then yet another failure for cold fusion, or is it still too early to tell? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
Cooling is not against the second law. There exist endothermic chemical reactions how makes cooling. There also are endothermic nuclear reactions. This includes 7Li+n→ 4He+3T +n -2.466 MeV, observe the negative sign (-). And fission of light elements and fusion of heavy elements. On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:03:28 -0500, ChemE Stewart wrote: Cooling and going against the second law of thermodynamics Cooling only goes against the second law if the particle(s) never give the entropy back to their surroundings, which is not known Stewart darkmattersalot,com On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Maybe the wire is getting old after so much testing. To be sure, another one should be made. 2013/1/28 Jouni Valkonen Is this then yet another failure for cold fusion, or is it still too early to tell? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com [3] Links: -- [1] mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com [2] mailto:jounivalko...@gmail.com [3] mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:[OT]: anomalous aluminum part in old coal
O.O.P.A., 7 inches long http://goo.gl/ZE0wT utaot.com http://joy4mind.com/?p=7835 page in Russian (lots more details) Jeeze, don't just take the friggin' thing OUT of the coal hunk!!! Need sections in place, so we can see if the coal details followed the metal chunk. Similar problem: human footprints in Cretaceous limestone. Could coal be anoxia enough to keep Al in metallic form for hundreds of megayears? Water plus dissolved CO2? Gold jewelery I could see, but why wouldn't Al slowly steal O2 from H2O and CO2? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:[OT]: anomalous aluminum part in old coal
Greetings Bill, I think that in a von Danekin book there was a spark plug like device embedded in rock. Also I think the Lyle Watson s book: Supernature there was an aluminum block that was oddly machines- BUT Col George Filer USAF retired has a translation of the Russian Aluminum Gear: http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/publish/article_497.php Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA 18F On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:46 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: O.O.P.A., 7 inches long http://goo.gl/ZE0wT utaot.com http://joy4mind.com/?p=7835 page in Russian (lots more details) Jeeze, don't just take the friggin' thing OUT of the coal hunk!!! Need sections in place, so we can see if the coal details followed the metal chunk. Similar problem: human footprints in Cretaceous limestone. Could coal be anoxia enough to keep Al in metallic form for hundreds of megayears? Water plus dissolved CO2? Gold jewelery I could see, but why wouldn't Al slowly steal O2 from H2O and CO2? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:53 PM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: Cooling is not against the second law. There exist endothermic chemical reactions how makes cooling. There also are endothermic nuclear reactions. To quote Mizuno's book, Nuclear Transmutation: it is not necessarily the case that heat production means a reaction, and no heat means no reaction. There may be endothermic reactions that absorb heat instead of producing it. This is an important clue to understanding the reaction mechanism. In many experiments until now [1997], samples that did not produce heat were put aside and not analyzed. I believe important data may well have been overlooked when these samples were ignored. (p. 94.) Eric
