Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

Don't think serial numbers will be of much use in this area.

They're valuable in tracing guns and cars because the sale of both those 
items is pretty heavily controlled, and so there's an actual record of 
what happened to, say, item number 2398623.  But toys aren't tracked at 
all, and are unlikely to start getting tracked any time soon (unless the 
folks in the FBI /really/ have too much time on their hands), and that 
means that even if you discover the drone had motor number 9868096754 in 
it, that still won't enable you to tell who had it previously, nor what 
path it followed before it exploded during the President's speech on the 
White House lawn.


On 07/08/2016 06:18 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:10 PM, a.ashfield > wrote:


What parts?  small electric motors and batteries?  RC is a do it
yourself operation now, or just take parts from toys.


Good question. Not sure. Perhaps serial numbers on the types of RC 
parts that go into toys.  Clearly having traceable serial numbers will 
only be useful in finding the perpetrators if the drone goes down and 
is recovered.


It's an interesting thought experiment -- what will governments do in 
a pinch if the number of assassinations goes up?


Eric

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[Eric Walker]

Whether one worries about the government or trusts it's every decision, it
will surely be of general interest to have a sense of how governments will
respond when there is a string of assassinations that appear to go back to
cheap drones.  My guess is that the fact that there is not much that can be
readily done about it will drive decisions in a direction of greater
intrusion into privacy and greater oversight.

Eric


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:10 PM, Che  wrote:

> You need to worry about the government.
>

[Vo]:18-year-old makes gun firing drone

[Jed Rothwell]

The other thread has the hiccups. Anyway, see:

CCSU Professor To 18-Year-Old: Making Gun-Firing Drone A 'Terrible Idea'

http://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-gun-fire-drone-investigation-20150721-story.html

This includes a short video of the gun-firing drone.

- Jed

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[Che]

You need to worry about the government.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:10 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:
>
> What parts?  small electric motors and batteries?  RC is a do it yourself
>> operation now, or just take parts from toys.
>>
>
> Good question. Not sure. Perhaps serial numbers on the types of RC parts
> that go into toys.  Clearly having traceable serial numbers will only be
> useful in finding the perpetrators if the drone goes down and is recovered.
>
> It's an interesting thought experiment -- what will governments do in a
> pinch if the number of assassinations goes up?
>
> Eric
>
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[Eric Walker]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:10 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:

What parts?  small electric motors and batteries?  RC is a do it yourself
> operation now, or just take parts from toys.
>

Good question. Not sure. Perhaps serial numbers on the types of RC parts
that go into toys.  Clearly having traceable serial numbers will only be
useful in finding the perpetrators if the drone goes down and is recovered.

It's an interesting thought experiment -- what will governments do in a
pinch if the number of assassinations goes up?

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[a.ashfield]

What parts?  small electric motors and batteries?  RC is a do it 
yourself operation now, or just take parts from toys.


On 7/8/2016 4:56 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote:


I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on
robots to kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to
stop them.


If assassinations using cheaply-made drones without traceable parts 
become a recurring issue, I'm going to guess that there will be 
increasing oversight of the factories that make specialized parts (at 
least, those that cannot be printed using a 3d printer), increasing 
monitoring of the airspaces directly above population centers, and 
increasing regulations on who can fly drones and under what 
conditions. Libertarians will not be happy.


Eric

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[a.ashfield]

Jed,
"I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on 
robots to kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to stop them."


I am more worried about governments having them.  They would be more 
lethal and more numerous.


On 7/8/2016 4:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
a.ashfield > 
wrote:


I would be surprised if the military are not working on robots
designed to kill people.


They would be remiss if they were not working on this.

In a sense, every weapon that kills people at distance is a sort of 
robot, starting with arrows, continuing up to artillery and today's 
guided missiles.


I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on 
robots to kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to stop them.


- Jed

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[leaking pen]

you mean, drones?  we already have them.


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> a.ashfield  wrote:
>
>
>> I would be surprised if the military are not working on robots designed
>> to kill people.
>>
>
> They would be remiss if they were not working on this.
>
> In a sense, every weapon that kills people at distance is a sort of robot,
> starting with arrows, continuing up to artillery and today's guided
> missiles.
>
> I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on robots
> to kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to stop them.
>
> - Jed
>
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[Eric Walker]

Russ,

I have a filter set in Gmail that marks your emails automatically as
"read," so I usually don't see them, but I saw this one by accident. I'm
sure there are other forums out there that will benefit from your special
insights and knowledge, and whose discussions would be of a caliber that
merit your valuable time.

Eric


On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Russ George  wrote:

> What a banal discussion, a cheap drone off of E-Bay with a small Claymore
> is more than sufficient technology.
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 8, 2016 1:56 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on robots
> to kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to stop them.
>
>
>
> If assassinations using cheaply-made drones without traceable parts become
> a recurring issue, I'm going to guess that there will be increasing
> oversight of the factories that make specialized parts (at least, those
> that cannot be printed using a 3d printer), increasing monitoring of the
> airspaces directly above population centers, and increasing regulations on
> who can fly drones and under what conditions. Libertarians will not be
> happy.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[Russ George]

What a banal discussion, a cheap drone off of E-Bay with a small Claymore is 
more than sufficient technology.

 

From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 1:56 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

 

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jed Rothwell  > wrote:

 

I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on robots to 
kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to stop them.

 

If assassinations using cheaply-made drones without traceable parts become a 
recurring issue, I'm going to guess that there will be increasing oversight of 
the factories that make specialized parts (at least, those that cannot be 
printed using a 3d printer), increasing monitoring of the airspaces directly 
above population centers, and increasing regulations on who can fly drones and 
under what conditions. Libertarians will not be happy.

 

Eric

 

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[Eric Walker]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on robots
> to kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to stop them.
>

If assassinations using cheaply-made drones without traceable parts become
a recurring issue, I'm going to guess that there will be increasing
oversight of the factories that make specialized parts (at least, those
that cannot be printed using a 3d printer), increasing monitoring of the
airspaces directly above population centers, and increasing regulations on
who can fly drones and under what conditions. Libertarians will not be
happy.

Eric

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[Jed Rothwell]

a.ashfield  wrote:


> I would be surprised if the military are not working on robots designed to
> kill people.
>

They would be remiss if they were not working on this.

In a sense, every weapon that kills people at distance is a sort of robot,
starting with arrows, continuing up to artillery and today's guided
missiles.

I worry about non-military and non-police organizations working on robots
to kill people. It is hard to know what could be done to stop them.

- Jed

[Vo]:[Vo]: Dallas Police’s ‘Bomb Robot’

[a.ashfield]

The Dallas police used a robot deigned to disarm bombs to to carry and 
detonate a bomb to kill one of the shooters.


I would be surprised if the military are not working on robots designed 
to kill people.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dallas-police-bomb-robot_us_577fbed9e4b0c590f7e8fc62?section=

[Vo]:good surprises coming for LENR soon, I bet

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/07/jul-08-2016-lenr-rocket-nearing.html

I am very optimistic but not so infallible


Good wishes,
peter


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov in ICCF19

[Jed Rothwell]

Jack Cole  wrote:


> I was interested to see that SKINR was unable to replicate Celani using
> sensitive calorimetry.  Quite a thorough paper.  Sad to see.
>
> They wrote: "No excess heat was observed in a calorimeter of a sensitivity
> <10 mW when running either the initial or later test protocols during ∼ 200
> days of testing."
>

Yeah. What a shame. I think between this paper and the work at MFMP
Celani's claim is pretty much proved wrong. You never know, but I do not
have much hope for it. I doubt that others will go to the trouble of trying
to replicate.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:mini-interview with Andrea Rossi re a mouse, dispute, some info

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Stephen.

My blog is working in this way for more years- there are possibilities to
make errots in any formula.
I don't get exactly what you want to suggest to Rossi to what forums to go.
My blog is a relatively peaceful places, the messaged- pro and contra Rossi
are not attacked by packs of trolls and furious individuals as on LENR Forum
for example. And I have published messages by Gary Wright or Pathoskeptic
 too, I am not censoring messages
Actually I believe that differences in opinion attarct smart people- the
problem starts with insults

peter

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:49 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence  wrote:

> What's with all the cross-posts?  I thought it was considered poor form to
> cross-post to a huge list -- makes it too easy for people on Vortex to
> accidentally respond to people they've never heard of before.
>
> As to the "interview", Rossi should be posting in the forums over on
> 4chan.  He'd fit right in there.
>
>
> On 07/07/2016 02:50 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:
>
>>
>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/07/jul-07-2016-mini-interview-with-andrea.html
>>
>> my best wishes, inclusive for my attackers- I do not envy them, not a bit!
>>
>> peter
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Peter Gluck
>> Cluj, Romania
>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com