RE: Sing the Sun Electric

2005-04-28 Thread John Steck
Your neighbor may be interested in: http://jlnlabs.imars.com/plasma/index.htm -john -Original Message- From: thomas malloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Sing the Sun Electric Terry Blanton posted; >Not everyone bel

Re: Sing the Sun Electric

2005-04-28 Thread leaking pen
well, ive made ball lightning in a glass before (see bills wonderful website) but in metal? On 4/28/05, thomas malloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Terry Blanton posted; > > >Not everyone believes fusion powers the sun: > > Excellent post Terry. I have a neighbor, John T Nordberg, > www.granduni

OT : Social Insecurity

2005-04-28 Thread Keith Nagel
Mr. Bush on Social Security...tonite. / Mr Bush sez: In a reformed Social System, voluntary personal retirement accounts would offer workers a number of investment options that are simple and easy to understand. I know some Americans have reservations about investing in the stock market, so

Spiral helixes

2005-04-28 Thread RC Macaulay
Observing the vortex produced in a clear plexiglas tank of water by a high speed rotating member facing down with a clockwise rotation I notice the cone of the vortex is at the surface and counterclockwise  due to the vortex curling 180 degrees from the face of  the rotating member up to the

Re: Sing the Sun Electric

2005-04-28 Thread thomas malloy
Terry Blanton posted; Not everyone believes fusion powers the sun: Excellent post Terry. I have a neighbor, John T Nordberg, www.grandunification.com , well he lives in the western burbs, who has the intention to create a "light ball", in a metallic container. If I see a bright flash coming fro

The Economist: "Cold fusion - Honest!"

2005-04-28 Thread Steven Krivit
This is hilarious... The Economist article is titled:  "Cold fusion - Honest!" I haven't seen the Science article yet, but the title looks like it too, is relating the story to cold fusion. The UCLA team should have given their work a nifty name like "Crystal Fusion" to give the press something t

RE: Times: Tabletop Fusion

2005-04-28 Thread Steven Krivit
Could this similarity to sonofusion be part of Putterman's nefarious agenda... you remember, in his recent downplaying of normal sonofusion. This guy could end up being a "bad actor" in terms of intellectual-greed, so to speak... but thanks to the internet his past deeds will likely catch up with

Taleyarkhan and Lahey in the May 2005 Issue of IEEE Spectrum

2005-04-28 Thread John Coviello
In the May 2005 issue of IEEE Spectrum, Taleyarkhan and Lahey discuss their latest experiments in detail and also explain how they plan to turn their tabletop apparatus into a full-scale electricity-generating device.  "If this proves possible--and it's still a big 'if'--sonofusion could bec

Re: Greg's msg from 1997: continuous closed-loop SMOT

2005-04-28 Thread Prometheus Effect
--- Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William Beaty wrote: > > That is what I love about computers. They never > forget! If we ever win the > CF wars, all of the stupid comments by harsh > opposition skeptics will be > preserved for posterity. Hi Jed, You once posted me a copy of the S

RE: Times: Tabletop Fusion

2005-04-28 Thread Keith Nagel
Hey Mike, Good point; it's just that I was staring at an old x-ray xformer when I posted that's about 100KV or so; even my solid state 50KV Glassman is kinda hefty, but as you say it's the current that adds the bulk. I do sort of regret buying that old boat anchor; but you know sometimes you just

More Taleyarkhan and Lahey Sonofusion Results

2005-04-28 Thread John Coviello
Looks like Taleyarkhan and Lahey are coming through with additional peer reviewed proof that so many seemed sure they would never be able to provide.    In the May 2005 issue of IEEE Spectrum, they discuss their latest experiments in detail and also explain how they plan to turn their table

RE: Times: Tabletop Fusion

2005-04-28 Thread Michael Foster
Hello Keith, Well yes, but I don't think it would take anywhere near 50lbs of power supply to reach the tiny currents generated by lithium tantalate. For that matter, why not just use the PZT from one of those gas flame lighters. PZT is a slightly better pyroelectric, no? And besides, why no

Re: Computers and Religion

2005-04-28 Thread leaking pen
yeah, well, this is a topic for humor and a bit ot, so hey. /didnt know that though. makes one wonder, then mary wasnt really the mother of christ. wait... nicean... yeah, constantine can go jump in a lake. On 4/28/05, Stephen A. Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > leaking pen wrote:

Re: Computers and Religion

2005-04-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
leaking pen wrote: but, as a son of adam and eve in part, would jesus not also hold some aspect of original sin? in fact, his creation would never have been neccesary if not for that bite from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, yes no? No. Check out the Nicene Creed. Jesus was begotten,

Re: RE: Computers and Religion

2005-04-28 Thread leaking pen
but, as a son of adam and eve in part, would jesus not also hold some aspect of original sin? in fact, his creation would never have been neccesary if not for that bite from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, yes no? (which, btw, was a fig, not an apple) so why not the mac? /jesus loves y

Re: OT: Leaking Pen asked and answered

2005-04-28 Thread leaking pen
am i the only one laughing at the irony of that statement? /looking up irony to be sure it was in fact ironic. still not sure. On 4/28/05, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > leaking pen wrote: > > >i will say this once again, and then i will ignore you. this is a > >SCIENCE discussion lis

RE: Times: Tabletop Fusion

2005-04-28 Thread Keith Nagel
Hi Michael, About 50 pounds of iron, and a wall outlet. You could warm the pyroelectric crystal with your hands and generate neutrons. But there is no new physics here, sadly. You are not missing anything. K. -Original Message- From: Michael Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thurs

RE: Times: Tabletop Fusion

2005-04-28 Thread Michael Foster
Am I missing something? What is the advantage of using the pyroelectric crystal as a high voltage source over some other more conventional power supply? M. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

RE: RE: Computers and Religion

2005-04-28 Thread Keith Nagel
Terry, I'm searching without results for the "think different" ad with Anton LaVey. You know the one, you animal... Can you work your linking magic It's gotta be out there somewhere. K. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:

Savvatimova paper uploaded

2005-04-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Savvatimovresultsofa.pdf This may need some additional editing. If anyone here finds a mistake in it, please let me know toot-sweet, as they say in the South of France. - Jed

OT: Exploding Toads

2005-04-28 Thread orionworks
Not that this topic is likely to have anything to do with "CF", "OU", "LENR" or other kool vortexian acronyms... Never the less, I just couldn't help sharing it with all of you: I give you: Exploding TOADS http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7654561/?GT1=6428 spontaneous toadie combustion? Regards,

Re: RE: Computers and Religion

2005-04-28 Thread Terry Blanton
> > From: "Keith Nagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 01:42:49 EDT > To: > Subject: RE: Computers and Religion > > But Hank, > > You're neglecting the key theological issue. > > Did Jesus or Satan use the Mac? Uh, you can look at the Mac logo and ask that question? Jesus sav

RE: Computers and Religion

2005-04-28 Thread Keith Nagel
But Hank, You're neglecting the key theological issue. Did Jesus or Satan use the Mac? / Some important theological questions are answered if we think of god as a computer programmer. Q: Does God control everything that happens in my life? A: He cou

Computers and Religion

2005-04-28 Thread Hank Scudder
    Jesus and Satan were having an on-going argument about who was better on the computer. They had been going at it for days, and frankly God was tired of hearing all the bickering. Finally fed up, God said, "THAT'S IT! I have had enough. I am going to set up a test that will run for two

RE: Times: Tabletop Fusion

2005-04-28 Thread Jones Beene
--- Keith, > The voltages quoted seem lower than what we > were looking at yesterday, 120KV is something you > could do in the dentists office. The Farnsworth fusor puts out 10 orders of magnitude more neutrons than this device does, and at only 20-40 kV... BUT it benefits from **spherical conver

RE: Times: Tabletop Fusion

2005-04-28 Thread Keith Nagel
Hi Jones, Here's some fresh links for ya. http://www.aip.org/pnu/2005/split/729-1.html http://technocrat.net/article.pl?sid=05/04/27/2025254&mode=thread And your link, http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/28/science/28fusion.html? The voltages quoted seem lower than what we were looking at yesterday,

Times: Tabletop Fusion

2005-04-28 Thread Jones Beene
There is an excellent story in the NY Times (Kenneth Chang) today on the UCLA device, which, although developed in the acoustics lab by sonofusion expert Putterman, is basically just a small deuterium accelerator and ICF target. side note: ...is "putterman" a great name for a sonofusion guy or wha

Re: OT: Leaking Pen asked and answered

2005-04-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
leaking pen wrote: i will say this once again, and then i will ignore you. this is a SCIENCE discussion list. you wish a religous debate, join a list designed for religious debate. Amen. - Jed

Re: Greg's msg from 1997: continuous closed-loop SMOT

2005-04-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
William Beaty wrote: Vortex-L archives have your original message announcing successful closed-loop operation. And successful rotating-wheel-device operation! See below. That is what I love about computers. They never forget! If we ever win the CF wars, all of the stupid comments by harsh opposit

Re: OT: Leaking Pen asked and answered

2005-04-28 Thread leaking pen
once again, you have FAILED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. a statement that is patently false has been made, and no explanation has been given. i toe no party line, and will not argue the shortcomings of many of darwins thoughts. i simply do not like seeing obvious falsehoods about ANYONES work. as for

Sing the Sun Electric

2005-04-28 Thread Terry Blanton
Not everyone believes fusion powers the sun: http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050427sun.htm "More than 60 years ago, Dr. Charles E. R. Bruce, of the Electrical Research Association in England, offered a new perspective on the Sun. An electrical researcher, astronomer, and expert on

Company to Build Space Elevator

2005-04-28 Thread Terry Blanton
http://cbs2.com/water/watercooler_story_116173449.html Apr 26, 2005 2:13 pm US/Pacific BREMERTON, WA (AP) A company in Washington State wants to send an elevator into space. The LiftPort company says it will open a plant this summer in Millville, New Jersey, to start producing nanotube fibers,

Re: Greg's msg from 1997: continuous closed-loop SMOT

2005-04-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
William Beaty wrote: Vortex-L archives have your original message announcing successful closed-loop operation. And successful rotating-wheel-device operation! See below. To all: while reading this, keep in mind that it all happened eight years ago and we've yet to see evidence that his devices ev

Greg's 3-ramp SMOT loop runs continuously!

2005-04-28 Thread William Beaty
Not Greg, but an imposter? Or more likely, you are actually Greg Watson, but you lied on vortex-L years ago about closing the loop on SMOT, and now you don't remember the number of seconds/hours/days that you told us the device ran back then. > However when I finish the single > ramp return dev

Greg's msg from 1997: continuous closed-loop SMOT

2005-04-28 Thread William Beaty
Vortex-L archives have your original message announcing successful closed-loop operation. And successful rotating-wheel-device operation! See below. To all: while reading this, keep in mind that it all happened eight years ago and we've yet to see evidence that his devices ever existed. Keep ask

Is "Prometheus Effect" actually Greg Watson?

2005-04-28 Thread William Beaty
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Prometheus Effect wrote: > > > I can only report on what I achieved and from memory > > it was not stable. So then, stable or not, what was *your* record for number of closed-loop roll-arounds? > Sorry but I don't have my original notes so I can't > give you more info. Hm

Re: SMOT closed-loop roll arounds? (2nd msg)

2005-04-28 Thread Prometheus Effect
--- Bob Fickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why not just dispense with the ramps altogether, and instead mount the"ball" on the rim of a bicycle-size wheel- using the smoothest bearingsyou can find, and very lightweight construction? That way the "return" is free, with less friction than you've

Re: OT: Leaking Pen asked and answered

2005-04-28 Thread thomas malloy
please, dont refer to my "teachers". i based my statements off my own reading of darwins work. only way to interpret or critique someones work is to actually read it yourself. in addition, you assume much, that i agree with all darwins theories, that i dont speak other languages, the form of my