Re: Solar and Lunar Gravimagnetic Fields

2006-02-04 Thread Horace Heffner


On Feb 3, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Jones Beene wrote:


- Original Message - From: Horace Heffner


We may have a dark partner in our part of the galaxy.


I would be willing to bet that the partner will probably be our  
progenitor system - the one that spawned the solar system.


We have several such massive object candidates in our arm of the  
galaxy though not necessarily dark. The closest possible  
candidate celestial body to us which have been our immediate  
progenitor system is now believed to be a quark star


http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020414.html

Previously, this compact object (RJX J185635-375) held claim to  
being the closest neutron star - 150 light-years away.



If the object were 150 light years away it would have to have [(1.551  
x 10^-11 i Hz)/(9.526x10^-23 i Hz)]/(150 ly/1.496x10^8 km)^3 =  
1.39x10^32 times the gravimagnetic dipole moment of the sun.  This  
would be a black hole for sure. In fact, at a mere 1 ly distance it  
would have to have 4x10^25 more gravimagnetic moment than the sun.   
It should thus be (a) massive enough to be a black hole and (b) much  
closer than seems possible without having observed it.


This tends to discount my math.

Horace Heffner



Re: Solar and Lunar Gravimagnetic Fields

2006-02-04 Thread Horace Heffner

http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/SolarLunarGK.pdf
has been updated with the following.

Gravimagnetic Moment and Angular Velocity

Given angular velocity w and a mass charge:

   m = mass * i

we have  gravimagnetic current:

   i_g = m * w

and, rotating at effective radius r_eff, we have moment of  inertia:

   I  =  m *  (r_eff)^2

and angular momentum:

   L = I w

which we can assume is conserved.

We have the gravimagnetic moment:

mu_g  =  (i_g) (Pi) (r_eff)^2

mu_g  =  (Pi)  (w)  (m * (r_eff)^2)   = Pi w I

mu_g  =  Pi * L

Both Pi and L are fixed, so, barring relativistic and singularity  
effects, the magnitude of the gravimagnetic moment remains constant  
as a star crunches.  The only way a body can have a high mu_g and low  
mass charge m is to have a very high initial angular momentum.


Perhaps one way to obtain a high angular momentum is nuclear spin  
alignment.  Nuclear radii are small, but nuclear spin rates are  
fast.  The problem here is that a nuclear spin aligned body would  
have a highly detectable magnetic signature.  Perhaps this magnetic  
signature could be negated by electron spin compensation.  This seems  
unlikely in view of the relation between the magnetic moments and  
their angular momenta.  See Fig. 2 in: http://www.valdostamuseum.org/ 
hamsmith/angmomemag.html

and in:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/pdf/astro-ph/0002048.

The intrinsic angular momentum L_e of the electron, proton, or quark, is

   L_e = 0.52723^-34 kg m^2/s

The angular momentum of a nucleus is given by:

   L_nuc = (spin)(h/(4*pi))

A spin 7/2 nucleus thus has the angular momentum L_nuc:

   L_nuc = (7/2)(h/(4*pi)) = 1.846x10^-34 kg m^2/s

The angular momentum in neutral heavy nucleus bodies that is embodied  
in spin alignment is thus amazingly all tied up in the sprightly  
electrons.   This greatly limits the amount of angular momentum that  
can be obtained by spin alignment, and guarantees an associated  
magnetic signature from such an effect.


It seems unlikely such a dark partner could exist undetected, or that  
the sun could provide the necessary ambient gravimagnetic field.   
Therefore the proposed theory must have an error or  a calculation  
error is involved.




Re: Solar and Lunar Gravimagnetic Fields

2006-02-04 Thread Jones Beene

Horace

If the object were 150 light years away it would have to have 
[(1.551  x 10^-11 i Hz)/(9.526x10^-23 i Hz)]/(150 ly/1.496x10^8 
km)^3 =  1.39x10^32 times the gravimagnetic dipole moment of the 
sun.  This  would be a black hole for sure. In fact, at a mere 1 
ly distance it  would have to have 4x10^25 more gravimagnetic 
moment than the sun.   It should thus be (a) massive enough to 
be a black hole and (b) much  closer than seems possible without 
having observed it.



This tends to discount my math.


Not necessarily... if initial parameters are persevered by inertia 
over time. The effect we see today might possibly be a lingering 
*relic* - that is, a remnant of a long-past (much closer) 
gravimagnetic relationship.


IOW let us say you start a specially constructed (imaginary) 
frictionless gyroscope in a vacuum environment with magnetic 
bearings and all that ... and build in some precession into your 
initial starting parameters before turning off the power. It would 
seem that there will be a lingering effect of your initial input 
parameters for quite some time - even if you remove the gyroscope 
many miles away.


Solar system ... same thing on a grander scale?

Jones 



Celluosic Ethanol, Berkley Metamodel

2006-02-04 Thread hohlrauml6d

http://rael.berkeley.edu/EBAMM/FarrellEthanolScience012706.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/9r9n3

Ethanol Can Contribute to Energy and Environmental Goals

To study the potential effects of increased biofuel use, we evaluated 
six representative analyses of fuel ethanol. Studies that reported 
negative net energy incorrectly ignored coproducts and used some 
obsolete data. All studies indicated that current corn ethanol 
technologies are much less petroleum-intensive than gasoline but have 
greenhouse gas emissions similar to those of gasoline. However, many 
important environmental effects of biofuel production are poorly 
understood. New metrics that measure specific resource inputs are 
developed, but further research into environmental metrics is needed. 
Nonetheless, it is already clear that large-scale use of ethanol for 
fuel will almost certainly require cellulosic technology.


more

http://rael.berkeley.edu/EBAMM/
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Wind Projects

2006-02-04 Thread hohlrauml6d
Map of wind projects:

http://www.awea.org/projects/index.html

TOTAL INSTALLED U.S. WIND ENERGY CAPACITY: 9,149 MW as of Dec 31, 2005
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New Nukes

2006-02-04 Thread hohlrauml6d

Southern Company:

http://newsinfo.southernco.com/article.asp?mnuType=submnuItem=niid=1964


http://tinyurl.com/75rxx

Duke Power:

http://www.dukepower.com/news/releases/2005/oct/2005102601.asp

http://tinyurl.com/aur7t

The reactor design:

http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-licensing/design-cert/ap1000.html

http://tinyurl.com/993rn
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More on the Firefly Battery

2006-02-04 Thread hohlrauml6d

http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/firefly_energy.html

They have developed a battery using lead acid chemistry that 
significantly increases the power density while improving cycle life. 
Lead acid battery chemistry is theoretically capable of delivering 
216.8 Whr/Kg while current technology averages 30 Whr/Kg.


Wow!
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Re: Celluosic Ethanol, Berkeley Metamodel

2006-02-04 Thread Jones Beene
Thanks for finding an authoritative, and most of all - currently 
valid - document on this subject of ethanol, Terry.


Ethanol is indeed a necessary and important (but not perfect) 
resource for the interim time period between peak-oil and the 
coming age of so-called free-energy...


Even if one of the genius inventors on Vo were to perfect a 
commercially valuable device tomorrow (ZPE/LENR/Wind/Solar/Wave 
etc) it would take a decade of mass production before much impact 
at the national level was felt.


The archive is well worth downloading.
http://rael.berkeley.edu/EBAMM/EBAMM_1_0.zip

This study-of-studies should once and for all put the inane and 
dated ravings of Pimentel and Ratzek to rest.


... in the words of our favorite pundits (of the Firesign 
persuasion) they were in serious need of regrooving anyway.


Jones



Re: Celluosic Ethanol, Berkeley Metamodel

2006-02-04 Thread hohlrauml6d



-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene

  Thanks for finding an authoritative, and most of all - currently 
valid - document on this subject of ethanol, Terry.




Thanks for correcting my spelling of the institution.  I always screw 
that up.


(Jones correcting spelling?!?  :-)

-Rocky Rococo

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Re: Celluosic Ethanol, Berkeley Metamodel

2006-02-04 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]







Thanks for correcting my spelling of the institution.  I always 
screw that up.



(Jones correcting spelling?!?  :-)



-Rocky Rococo



I know, I know... but the exception proves the case - no? and 
having spent what seems like the better part of a century around 
the place, I finally learned that, unlike some lesser epynominous 
institutions, this one is surprisingly proud of all of its e's  
... even for a laissez-faire-kinda-ville (or is that lazy-fair?)


Pastor Rod (meets Rosebud?) 



Re: Message for Thomas Clark

2006-02-04 Thread hohlrauml6d



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have not slept at all in my life as far as I can tell, and I seem to 
enter a virtual reality world generated by computer systems on Earth 
when I become entranced into a state that looks like sleep but it is 
not, so that I may dream while I am awake.




This sounds much like Thomas Hunter's situation in Ted Dekker's book 
Black.


http://teddekker.com/?content=albumalbum=29356

-Baron Munchausen
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Re: Ambient Gravimagnetic Field and the Earth Field

2006-02-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Horace Heffner wrote:

 
 On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
 
 Horace Heffner wrote:
 
 
 On Feb 1, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
 
 
 Could Gravimagnetism be involved in the precession of the perihelion
 of planet mercury?
 
 http://phyun5.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node98.html
 [snip]
 
 Presumably then gravimagnetism is not required to explain _any_ of the
 orbital precession since it can all be explained by classical and
 relativistic physics.
 
 Harry
 
 This is true. Gravimagnetism is consistent with the above with regard
 to the retardation effects, and adds no changes to the retardation
 results calculated by conventional means.  It adds nothing to the
 final results.  Its primary value in this case is the fact it
 circumvents the incomprehensible math behind things like the Thirring-
 Lense effect and brings some important gravitational concepts down to
 a high school math level.  It makes some intuitive sense of the
 Thirring-Lense effect at a mundane level.
 
 The Thirring-Lense effect is becoming more important to astronomy.
 For example, see:
 http://www.physics.uiuc.edu/Research/CTA/news/sidebands/.  Simple
 mental models are vitally important to sorting out the nature of
 various gravitational effects, and to approaching a quantum theory of
 gravity.  They are also of important to basic engineering of gravity
 effects, and to distinguishing real from retardation relativistic
 effects.  The gravimagnetic model, with corrections for real effects,
 both in the EM and gK realms, may lead to alternate explanations for
 observed effects.
 
 If I had the concepts roughly right and did the calculations
 correctly in
 http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/GraviCalcs.pdf
 then the ambient gravimagnetic field overwhelms the Earth's local
 gravimagnetic field.  The ambient gravimagnetic field has little
 effect on orbital precession however, only on average orbital
 height.  The GRACE mission:
 http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/earth_drag.html
 did actually see the effects of the Earth's gravimagnetic field on
 orbital precession, because it is an *incremental* effect due to
 incremental changes in distance from the Earth.  The Gravity Probe B
 satellite, however, is measuring the effect of the *absolute*
 gravimagnetic field by looking at precession of a small silicon ball,
 so gravimagnetism predicts a 50-100 fold difference in results.
 
 If I did things right (still much in doubt!) then NASA is in for some
 surprising results!  We should hear in early 2007.  If that actually
 happens then the value of the concept will be permanently cast in
 cement.
 
 There is a far more significant value to the concept, however, at
 least when it is developed and applied under the isomorphism proposed
 in:
 http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/GR-and-QM.pdf.
 This isomorphism, in addition to immediately bringing to bear every
 EM equation on gravitational problems, points to underlying
 symmetries and opens up a large number of difficult questions and
 implications, some of which are discussed in the referenced document.
 It demonstrates the power of the imaginary number i in gravitational
 computations.
 
 Then again, this could all be bunk!  8^)
 
 Horace Heffner
 
 


In EM theory a body with some charge and with motion which is initially
uniform and in a straight line will be deflected by the appearance of a
magnetic field. 

If the isomorphism between Gravity and EM holds, then a body with some mass
with the same initial motion should be deflected by the appearance of
gravimagnetic field (not a gravity field) , but it appears to be only true
if the body is initially rotating too.

Have I misunderstood the meaning of isomorphism or something about the
theory of gravimagnetism?

Harry




Re: Solar and Lunar Gravimagnetic Fields

2006-02-04 Thread Horace Heffner


On Feb 4, 2006, at 6:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote:


Horace

If the object were 150 light years away it would have to have  
[(1.551  x 10^-11 i Hz)/(9.526x10^-23 i Hz)]/(150 ly/1.496x10^8 km) 
^3 =  1.39x10^32 times the gravimagnetic dipole moment of the  
sun.  This  would be a black hole for sure. In fact, at a mere 1  
ly distance it  would have to have 4x10^25 more gravimagnetic  
moment than the sun.   It should thus be (a) massive enough to be  
a black hole and (b) much  closer than seems possible without  
having observed it.



This tends to discount my math.


Not necessarily... if initial parameters are persevered by inertia  
over time. The effect we see today might possibly be a lingering  
*relic* - that is, a remnant of a long-past (much closer)  
gravimagnetic relationship.


IOW let us say you start a specially constructed (imaginary)  
frictionless gyroscope in a vacuum environment with magnetic  
bearings and all that ... and build in some precession into your  
initial starting parameters before turning off the power. It would  
seem that there will be a lingering effect of your initial input  
parameters for quite some time - even if you remove the gyroscope  
many miles away.


Solar system ... same thing on a grander scale?


Gravitons move at the speed of light

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2639043.stm

so a gravimagnetic field is not likely to stick around once the  
source is gone. An associated magnetic field would depart at the same  
speed.


The field may be ambient to the entire locality, our arm of the Milky  
Way, or possibly even the Milky Way as a whole.  Magnetic fields flip  
from time to time, so if the effect were from lots of bodies the  
magnetic fields would tend to cancel, while the angular momentum and  
thus the gravimagnetic field would be conserved.  This concept leads  
to the problem as to why the solar system lies, or can lie, in a  
plane inclined to the Milky Way, to the plane of the Galactic Lens.


Some possibilites have been noted. See:
http://webspinners.com/dlblanc/climate/astromod.php

The Milky Way gravimagnetic field may perturb the ecliptic.

Horace Heffner



Re: Wind Projects

2006-02-04 Thread John Coviello
I just ran the numbers.  Installed wind power in the U.S. increased by 36% 
last year.  That's the biggest increase ever as far as I can tell.  2,420 MW 
in 2005 up to 9,145 MW.  It just goes to show that wind is now competitive.


To put things in perspective, Europe has about 41,000 MW of installed wind 
capacity, or 4 times the U.S.   Just goes to show how much more we could 
expand our wind installations.


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Wind Projects



Map of wind projects:

http://www.awea.org/projects/index.html

TOTAL INSTALLED U.S. WIND ENERGY CAPACITY: 9,149 MW as of Dec 31, 2005
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Re: Message for Thomas Clark

2006-02-04 Thread OrionWorks
Thomas,

I've said my piece.

If you are content with the dramas unfolding before your eyes, who am I to pass judgment on the destinies you are preparing yourself for.

Enjoy your trip.

There is always planet Earth that you can come back to should you feel so inclined. Just try not to lose your way. Leave a few breadcrumbs for yourself. We're not all bad guys.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com



Re: Ambient Gravimagnetic Field and the Earth Field

2006-02-04 Thread Horace Heffner


On Feb 4, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:


In EM theory a body with some charge and with motion which is  
initially
uniform and in a straight line will be deflected by the appearance  
of a

magnetic field.


Yes, assuming of course you do not mean the charge's own field.  This  
deflection is caused by the analog to the Lorentz force.  I would  
replace by the appearance of with in the presence of, since  
fields do not just appear from nothing and without effect.



If the isomorphism between Gravity and EM holds, then a body with  
some mass

with the same initial motion should be deflected by the appearance of
gravimagnetic field (not a gravity field) ,


Yes, again with the same caveats.



but it appears to be only true
if the body is initially rotating too.


No. The deflection can be due solely to the Lorentz force.  However,  
if the gravimagnetic field is not uniform, then a spinning body can  
also be deflected by the gravimagnetic force.  In a uniform  
gravimagnetic field a spinning body, in motion or not with respect to  
the gravimagnetic field, is only made to precess due to its  
spinning.  A spinning body is deflected by the Lorentz force just  
like a non-spinning body.




Have I misunderstood the meaning of isomorphism or something about the
theory of gravimagnetism?


Your understanding of EM may be a bit off, if I understand your  
questions.


Horace Heffner



Re: 0T: Income Tax

2006-02-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence



Harry Veeder wrote:

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:



Remember the Laffer curve debates, years back?  At 0% income tax the
government's net tax revenue is zero.  At 100% income tax nobody works
for taxable dollars and again the government's tax take is zero.  So,
the _maximum_ tax take is achieved at some tax rate L, with 0  L  100.
The curve which relates government tax revenue to tax rate is called
the Laffer curve, and its peak is the optimal tax rate for maximum
government income.






A 100% income tax would make for a simple flat tax system,


A flat tax system taxes everyone the same number of dollars.  The poll 
tax that brought down Margaret Thatcher in England was an example of that.


A 100% income tax takes everything you earn and gives it to the 
government; you don't get to keep any of it.


I don't see the connection.

In any case please be aware that a 100% tax is a strawman, used only 
to illustrate the point that raising taxes indefinitely won't increase 
the government's revenue indefinitely.  And if it won't, then someplace 
in the middle there must be an optimal tax rate.




and as long
as a significant fraction of EARNED income is returned by law


If the government must give you back your own tax dollars then it's not 
a 100% tax.  With a 100% tax rate on EARNED income you don't keep it and 
you don't get it back.


If you get supported by the government regardless of whether you earn 
anything, but the government takes every cent you earn on your own (if 
any), that's a 100% tax plus complete social welfare and the name for it 
is pure communism.



people would
continue to work for taxable dollars.


Very few, not enough to make the economy run at all well.

What actually happens is the economy switches to some kind of barter 
system, or people find some other way around the confiscatory tax. 
There's no point in working for money which you never see, so people 
don't do it, and the reported taxable income drops to zero.  If that's 
not possible, people leave -- right now there are many economic refugees 
from France living elsewhere in Europe, because their tax system hits 
some wealthy people so hard (much, much worse than anything we have in 
the United States).


In pure communism nobody gets paid to work, everybody is provided for, 
and some incentive other than financial rewards must be found to induce 
people to work; otherwise they just sit around and send email all day :-)


In Russia under communism 5% of the land produced more than 50% of the 
gross farm output.  The 5% of the land that produced so well was the 5% 
that was reserved for individual plots, where the farmers could actually 
keep what they produced, and sell it if they wanted to, and keep the 
money they earned.  Most people work harder if they get tangible rewards 
for what they do.


Many people would have left Communist Russia if they had had the chance. 
 I remember my father observing that he'd start believing the Communist 
claims of a worker's paradise the day they started building walls to 
keep people _out_, rather than keep people _in_.  (On the other hand, 
from what I've heard a lot of people actually liked the system, too; 
some who successfully emigrated found it difficult and unpleasant to get 
along in capitalist countries.)




Harry







Re: Solar and Lunar Gravimagnetic Fields

2006-02-04 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:11:57
-0900:
Hi Horace,
[snip]
galactic core is involved.  The axis of precession is aligned with  
the poles of the ecliptic, thus the ambient gravimagnetic field must  
be also, on average.  We may have a dark partner in our part of the  
galaxy.
[snip]
Have you considered the possibility that it may be much closer to
home, i.e. in the core of the Earth?

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.



Re: Wind Projects

2006-02-04 Thread Horace Heffner


On Feb 4, 2006, at 6:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Map of wind projects:

http://www.awea.org/projects/index.html

TOTAL INSTALLED U.S. WIND ENERGY CAPACITY: 9,149 MW as of Dec 31,  
2005


I see Alaska is shown with only 1 installed wind project.  I assume  
they don't count windmills below some capacity.


Alaska has a colossal wind potential, but it is very hard to get to  
and tap.  It is located at the top of mountain ridges.


Horace Heffner



Re: Solar and Lunar Gravimagnetic Fields

2006-02-04 Thread Horace Heffner


On Feb 4, 2006, at 1:12 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:


In reply to  Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:11:57
-0900:
Hi Horace,
[snip]

galactic core is involved.  The axis of precession is aligned with
the poles of the ecliptic, thus the ambient gravimagnetic field must
be also, on average.  We may have a dark partner in our part of the
galaxy.

[snip]
Have you considered the possibility that it may be much closer to
home, i.e. in the core of the Earth?



Yes. The Earth's gravimagnetic field is comparatively small. See

http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/GraviCalcs.pdf

and the GRACE mission:

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/earth_drag.html

which did actually see and measure in detail the effects of the  
Earth's gravimagnetic field (and/or relativistic effects) on orbital  
precession, because it is an *incremental* effect due to incremental  
changes in distance from the Earth.  The Gravity Probe B satellite,  
however, is measuring the effect of the *absolute* gravimagnetic  
field by looking at precession of a small silicon ball, so  
gravimagnetism predicts a 50-100 fold difference in results.


This all seems to me to rule out a source of gravimagnetism within  
the Earth which can make its surface actually or even appear to  
precess.  Some combination of magnetism and gravimagnetism might work  
except for the fact the magnetic field reverses and the precession  
keeps right on ticking during the reversal.  We are right now in the  
process of a magnetic reversal.


Horace Heffner



Re: 0T: Income Tax

2006-02-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Title: Re: 0T: Income Tax



OrionWorks wrote:

From Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

Remember the Laffer curve debates, years back? At 0% income tax the
government's net tax revenue is zero. At 100% income tax nobody works
for taxable dollars and again the government's tax take is zero. So,
the _maximum_ tax take is achieved at some tax rate L, with 0 L 100.
The curve which relates government tax revenue to tax rate is called
the Laffer curve, and its peak is the optimal tax rate for maximum
government income.

A 100% income tax would make for a simple flat tax system, and as long
as a significant fraction of EARNED income is returned by law people would
continue to work for taxable dollars.

Harry


This reminds me of a cartoon that is just as timely today as it was when I first saw it. It was posted on a bulletin board of a place I used to work at - The Wisconsin Department of Revenue. This was many decades ago when I was a mere pup in my 20s.

It was the new simplified tax return form. Only two lines to fill in:

*
* (1) How much money did you make? [ ] *
*
* (2) Send it in. [ ] *
*

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com 


I saw that joke recently.

A market economy with private property rights and flexible prices
can be rationally defended on the grounds that it is the best way to produce 
_real_ wealth. However, if I remember correctly, even the great
market economist F. Hayek conceded that the workings 
of a market economy do not provide a rational basis for judging 
whether a particular person's _monetary_ income is _deserved_.


Harry 





RE:

2006-02-04 Thread Zell, Chris
 
 if we want to live like third-world peasants. We are headed in that
direction.


More sad hysteria


   horrendous and totally uncontrolled pollution caused by ethanol
production

You are not even aware it exists.


Amazing - and now you're a mind reader



Jobs in rural areas that also reduce oil dependence are important

If your purpose is to steal money from taxpayers and give it to 
unemployed rural people, why not be honest and simply put them on 
welfare? They will do far less damage to the land and the economy if 
we simply pay them off, rather than paying them off to waste a few 
hundred million barrels of oil.

  More hysteria


Giving people real work does give them dignity and purpose in life, 
but I do not think it helps to give people pretend make-work in a 
government boondoggle like ethanol. In any case, they might as well 
admit that all they are doing is stealing from the rest of us. 
Frankly, those people should be ashamed to accept the money. They 
should be forced to jump through rings and surrender their assets and 
self-respect, the way urban welfare cases are.

   Both they  and their representatives in Congress seem quite happy
   




Shell Oil says NO Peak

2006-02-04 Thread Zell, Chris
www.worldnetdaily.com/biznetdaily/


 



Re: More on the Firefly Battery

2006-02-04 Thread Horace Heffner


On Feb 4, 2006, at 7:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/firefly_energy.html

They have developed a battery using lead acid chemistry that  
significantly increases the power density while improving cycle  
life. Lead acid battery chemistry is theoretically capable of  
delivering 216.8 Whr/Kg while current technology averages 30 Whr/Kg.


Wow!


Here is something also interesting along the lines of lead-acid  
batteries.


http://www.canadus.com/home/hfbe/index.htm

A pulsed method to de-sulfate the plates and rejuvenate the battery.



Re: Shell Oil says NO Peak

2006-02-04 Thread John Coviello
We hear peak oil and anti-peak oil stories all of the time.  However, 
there's really only one true indicator regarding the scarcity of oil, price. 
Sure, short term supply distruptions have caused the price of oil to spike 
from time to time, but those spikes were always followed by quick retreats. 
So far, the recent runup in oil prices over the past two years has been 
sustained and generally demonstrates a trend higher.  Seems to be telling us 
something more is going on than short term supply distruptions are 
responsible.  If it's just a short term supply problem, oil should recede to 
$30 a barrel or so.


I think we might reach peak oil production, just due to overwhelming demand 
in coming years.  In other words perhaps the actual amount of oil production 
possible has not reached a true peak, but demand will grow so rapidly that 
it simply outstrips the capacity to supply the growing demand and therefore 
the price of oil spirals higher.


I just wonder where all the additional supply capacity is going to come from 
to satisfy the increasing demand for oil?  The world consumes around 84 
Million Barrels per day, where is all the extra supply going to actually 
come from when the world needs 120 Million Barrels per day in twenty years? 
Tar sands in Alberta are suppossed to triple their capacity to 3 Million 
Barrels per day in a few years, it's not coming from there.  I don't see it 
happening.  I think a more likely scenario would be that the price of oil 
products gets so expensive that it triggers efficiency gains such as 
hydrogen boosters for diesel engines (being sold in Canada now) and massive 
rampups of hybrids, including plug-in hybrids, as consumers look for relief, 
thus cutting demand.  Something has to give.


One thing about peak oil, Shell was one of the countries that overstated 
their oil reserves by 20% and had to restate them, so don't take their word 
too seriously.  Also, many OPEC countries have overstated their oil reserves 
because it boosts their quotas.  Kuwaitt has been reported in two news 
stories in recent months to have overstated their oil reserves by a whopping 
50% and it is generally acknowledged that their main field has peaked out. 
Mexico is also approaching peak.  The jury is out, but the evidence is 
starting to build up that a real oil peak is coming soon.



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Re: Wind Projects

2006-02-04 Thread John Coviello
I think it's pretty obvious that the U.S. could provide all of its 
electricity from renewable sources like wind and solar.  It's really just a 
matter of economics and will.  The scales are tipping in favor of renewables 
nowadays with grid-power going up in price fairly rapidly and renewables 
becoming more competitve each year.  A utility in my home state just 
announced a whopping 50% increase in their rates to cover the surge in 
natural gas generating costs.  How much longer can these sorts of price 
increases continue before people just start looking at alternatives more 
seriously?



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On Feb 4, 2006, at 6:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Map of wind projects:

http://www.awea.org/projects/index.html

TOTAL INSTALLED U.S. WIND ENERGY CAPACITY: 9,149 MW as of Dec 31,  2005


I see Alaska is shown with only 1 installed wind project.  I assume  they 
don't count windmills below some capacity.


Alaska has a colossal wind potential, but it is very hard to get to  and 
tap.  It is located at the top of mountain ridges.


Horace Heffner





Re: Shell Oil says NO Peak

2006-02-04 Thread John Coviello

It does look like Shell's replacement capacity has peaked...

There was also some disappointment over Shell's weak performance upstream 
where it only managed to replace 60% to 70% of the oil it pumped with new 
additions to reserves.


This is well below the 100% rate needed to stop an oil firm's asset base 
from shrinking.
Peter Hitchens, oil analyst at Teather  Greenwood, said: Shell has had 
another poor performance with the drill bit.
And the analyst didn't fancy the group's chances of turning this situation 
round any time soon, adding: (The target) would require the group becoming 
one of the best explorers among the integrated oil companies, rather than 
one of the worst.




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Re: 0T: Income Tax

2006-02-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence


Harry Veeder wrote:



A market economy with private property rights and flexible prices
can be rationally defended on the grounds that it is the best way to 
produce

_real_ wealth. However, if I remember correctly, even the great
market economist F. Hayek conceded that the workings
of a market economy do not provide a rational basis for judging
whether a particular person's _monetary_ income is _deserved_.


Boy you sure wouldn't get an argument from _me_ on that.

Unless you're a follower of Ayn Rand it's hard to see how capitalism can 
be defended on _moral_ grounds.


The trouble is, no other system seems to work nearly as well, and what's 
worse, the effectiveness with which capitalism works appears to be 
directly related to the size of the gap between rich and poor, because 
that gap is a direct measure of the incentive everyone has to work 
harder in an effort to become rich.   (In addition, of course, there 
also must be adequate social mobility; inherited wealth does _nothing_ 
to stimulate people to work harder, and the landed gentry are just a 
drag on the wheels of progress.)


_But_ the market economy can be hideously unfair, it makes implicit 
value judgements of everyone based on arbitrary criteria, and if it's 
unbridled it tends to leave people at grave risk if anything bad should 
happen.  Capitalism provides wealth; it does not naturally provide 
security.  As Jed might point out, all of these problems go strongly 
against our instincts as pack hunters who take care of their own and 
share the food.  So most people, regardless of their religion, would 
probably agree that completely unbridled capitalism is just plain wrong.


So, we strive to de-tune the system a bit to make it fairer without 
breaking it entirely.  Almost everybody is in favor of a progressive 
income tax, for example, even though it reduces the incentive to work 
harder in order to make more money.  Unemployment insurance seems like a 
Good Thing even though it reduces the incentive to find another job when 
you're laid off.  The Swedish model looks pretty good; the Norwegians do 
pretty well; the Russians, who tried to throw capitalism overboard 
entirely under the Communists, went too far and didn't manage to make it 
work (operating your empire at a loss and trying to make up for it by 
anexxing more countries, which are also operated at a loss, can't work 
indefinitely).






Harry




Re: Do we have peak uranium, too?

2006-02-04 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence



Steven Krivit wrote:
My sources...atomic energy researchers in France and Canada say we have 
80 years of uranium left. I don't know where the peak is.


That agrees with what I believe I've read elsewhere.  HOWEVER...

... That's just U235, and unless I miss my guess, it's without 
reprocessing to recover usable fuel from the spent fuel rods.


The fact that it glosses over is that, with sensible handling, the 
available fuel would last centuries, which should certainly be enough 
time to figure out something better!


First of all, simple reprocessing can extend that 80 year number 
greatly, but it's politically unacceptable due, IIRC, to the ease with 
which the process can be subverted to make bomb-grade enriched uranium. 
 The United States, in particular, does _not_ reprocess its spent fuel 
(someone please correct me if I'm wrong about this).  I'm not sure where 
Eurupe stands on this issue.


Far more to the point, breeder reactors could extend that number by 
perhaps a factor of 100 by allowing us to burn the U238 rather than just 
burning the U235 and hence throwing away 99% of the fuel, completely 
unused, as we do today.  But safe and effective breeder reactors have 
not been developed, AFAIK, and most likely never will be, because they 
are scary and politically completely unacceptable:  the fuel they 
produce when they convert the U238, unless I am mistaken, is plutonium. 
 And _that_ is the fuel of choice for bombs.


So, the upshot is that we have enough uranium in the ground to last us 
centuries, but the technologies which would enable us to use it 
efficiently are currently untouchable and are likely to remain that 
way.  In consequence we'll never actually be able to use more than 
perhaps 1% of the available uranium, and we'll just throw away the rest, 
sealing it up in caves as a problem rather than burning it as a 
solution.  And this situation seems unlikely to change.


Anyway, I will be happy to stand corrected on any of this.




At 06:44 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:


  We haven't had any new nuclear power plants built in many years.
Since any notion of NIMBYism is to be rejected ( despite overwhelming
political
evidence that it is real),  the clear answer is THAT URANIUM HAS PEAKED!
The same goes for the rich Cape Cod elitists who don't want wind
turbines
off their coast.  Clearly, saving birds is paramount.

  Why build nuclear power plants when we know that uranium is running
out?  Surely, the situation is no different than the fact that the US
hasn't built a new
  refinery since 1976 -  Obviously,  everyone knew - 30 YEARS AGO - that
we were running out of oil and refineries were a waste of time.

  Obvious too,  is the fact that everyone knows that coal/ shale/
thermal pyrolysis treated garbage will never give us significant sources
of oil.  What are
  Pennsylvania and Montana thinking, when they to spend billions for
this?  Those estimates of centuries worth of coal aren't to be taken
seriously.
  Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a reality
check..









Time is...

2006-02-04 Thread Jones Beene

http://www.stanford.edu/~afmayer/


...time is not a single dimension of spacetime but rather a local 
geometric distinction in spacetime. While this may seem esoteric, 
it is actually quite simple, according to the author of a new book 
due out soon ... rght!


Imagine that 'the arrow of time' in the Universe, like gravity on 
Earth, is ostensibly the same everywhere, yet at the same 'time' 
it is different everywhere relative to everywhere else. That means 
that the 'arrow of time' points in different directions in 
spacetime depending on where you are, so time has a geometry just 
like space has a geometry.


The idea is that there are an infinite number of time dimensions 
in the Universe - which revolutionizes gravitational theory and 
much of modern science with it. A number of outstanding scientific 
mysteries are definitively solved, including observations...