[Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters
This CalTech Applet shows how a three-point distribution of positive charges surrounding a negative charge can feel a force from the ~0.5 megacoulomb excess negative charge of the earth. Induction or Tesla Coils sequencing? http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/EField/EField.html O +1 O -3 O +1 O +1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 (putative earth charge) Have fun.:-) Fred
Re: [Vo]: Re: Di-Ozone
Funny that ORMUS comes up here - a nice emergence. I worked with Barry a while ago; even pitched the ozonation tech he is connected with at a DOE shindig in 2001. I have a giant poster session in a closet somewheres. Seems like an age ago. Even back then they were pretty hush-hush about the exact nature of the tech. If we reminisced long enough, and I dug deep enough, I could probably turn up notes or such from my conversations with him. Intuition tells me, though, that not enough info was named to reproduce a mechanism (why, anyway? if there's value here then, all parties interested in the best for things, should be able to cooperate) They were on the down-low about it because it had produced the first ORMUS-like material, but because of a lack of controls had also poisoned one of the inventors. Barry's bio talks about it a bit, here: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMUS/tw/ barrybio.htm (maybe this is not news, here) These are definitely the wilds of new science. People are being affected in dramatic ways, and none of it is turning into formatted science, yet. C.F. this statement: We believe that our ozone generator is producing significant amounts of O6 or diozone. I love this community, and statements like this drive me nuts. If quantities of O6 are getting produced, and it's such a unique and interesting substance, then there are ways to make happen known- reliable test for O6 levels. Zak On Mar 16, 2007, at 6:03 AM, R.C.Macaulay wrote: Howdy Jones, You amaze me with your ability to stretch the elastic of the mind. One must eat a heartly breakfast and tighten the safety belt before launching into one of your posts grin that can range from rail guns to Ormus... and that is a stretch. Now that light has been accepted as having particle or weight, it can be taken to the next step and think of light having projectile force qualities. A rail gun projectile would not necessarily require a socalled mass ( I have always been abhorred by the term mass). A better constructed railgun would fire a projectile of light... hmmm.. a strange beasty indeed.. Why so ? Because the projectile could be tuned to either/or focus or impact. Strange account of a battle predicted centuries ago where the flesh,eyes and tongue will rot while they are still standing ( bones remain) Zec: 14. This description seeems to indicate a type of a ray gun, however, the projectile does not knock the person off their feet.. only dissolves the flesh. You referred to Barry Carter's Subtleenergy website that mentions a new method of producing O3 and O6 but does not describe the process. He does describe the healing qualities of vortex induced ormus water. Reminds me of the account of the angel that would stir or trouble the waters in the pool. Whoever would be the first sick person to enter the pool thereafter would be healed. If the stirring means inducing a water vortex and only the first person would be healed, could this mean the vortex was destroyed by entering the pool and the residual remains of the vortex properties dissappear? Out in the wildwood behind the Dime Box Saloon lurks an old whisky still left over from the old days. The tale goes that sippin some that thinkin drinkin stuff could make a person believe the earth was flat. Richard
[Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters
Globally attractive or repulsive ? But again, this doesn't take into account the fact that charges flow freely on the Earth surface. Could you find no applet where charges can move freely on the surface of conductors? Surely there must exist one. Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters This CalTech Applet shows how a three-point distribution of positive charges surrounding a negative charge can feel a force from the ~0.5 megacoulomb excess negative charge of the earth. Induction or Tesla Coils sequencing? http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/EField/EField.html O +1 O -3 O +1 O +1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 (putative earth charge) Have fun.:-) Fred
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*http://newenergytimes.com/news/2007/NET21.htm#fab 11. Science Cold Fusion Attack Story Fabricated * By Steven Krivit In 1990, a science journalist by the name of Gary Taubes took a set of facts and rumors and fabricated a story that made it look like electrochemist John O'Mara Bockris (biography)http://newenergytimes.com/Conversations/Bockris.htmand his group of researchers at Texas AM University spiked their cold fusion cell with tritium and thus were claiming fraudulent evidence for so-called cold fusion. Until then, Bockris was one of the most highly regarded electrochemists in the world, with more than 600 papers and a dozen books, including the widely used college text *Modern Electrochemistry,* to his credit. Tritium is an isotope of hydrogen, and it typically exists as a gas. It is radioactive, but only for a short while. Its half-life is 12.5 years. The generation of tritium in low energy nuclear reaction (historically known as cold fusion) experiments is rare, and when observed, it is seen at relatively low levels. Tritium does not exist in nature at significantly high levels, and its presence at levels significantly above background would have been convincing evidence that some kind of nuclear reaction was occurring in cold fusion experiments. After the defamatory *Science* article by Taubes was published, Bockris' reputation plummeted. Because of the fear of appearing to endorse voodoo science and the potential harm to their own reputations, other journals were reluctant to publish the subsequent confirming evidence to support what was called cold fusion research. Taubes never had any hard evidence to support his indirect but very obvious assertion of fraud on the part of the Bockris group. However, he very creatively spun his story, and *Science* pumped it up even further with the advance news release to make it look like an open-and-shut case, thereby destroying the reputation of a respected scientist. Bockris knew that Taubes was developing this story and attempted, in good faith, to explain to this journalist why his speculation was groundless from a scientific basis, but Taubes apparently didn't listen to this world-class electrochemist, whose first paper was published 44 years earlier in *Nature*. The editors of *Science* most likely did not know about the letter Bockris sent to Taubes in advance of the article. In the letter, Bockris debunked Taubes' hypothesis of spiking. That Taubes failed to include the facts presented by Bockris in the article could be viewed as a breach of journalism ethics. Taubes' ethics are brought further into question with the accounts of his intimidation, aggression, and attempts to coerce a confession from Bockris' graduate student, Nigel Packham. After *Science* published the article, researchers at Los Alamos National Laboratory, among the world's leading research institutions with expertise in tritium, performed an independent and unsolicited analysis of Taubes' hypothesis. Researchers at Los Alamos found that the signature of spiked tritium in these cells could not possibly match the signature reported by the Bockris group. * Science* declined to publish both a rebuttal letter from Bockris and the paper from Los Alamos radiochemist Ed Storms (biography)http://newenergytimes.com/Conversations/storms/StormsBio.htm. On March 4, 2000, *New Energy Times* editor Steven B. Krivit met with Eugene F. Mallove, then the editor of *Infinite Energy *magazine, and picked up the trail of cold fusion research. On July 10, 2004, Krivit traveled to Texas and met with Bockris and his wife, Lily Bockris, to get his story. On Oct. 6, 2006, Krivit sent a letter explaining the matter and providing a Web link to the full details of this story to *Science* editor Donald Kennedy, to John Holdren, president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the parent organization of *Science*, and to Gilbert S. Omenn and David Baltimore, also on the organization's board. Krivit requested a correction to the record. *Science* and the organization failed to provide a response. On Feb. 15, 2007, at the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual meeting in San Francisco, Krivit hand-delivered a second copy of his October letter to Holdren. On Feb. 18, still at the AAAS meeting, Krivit met with Earl Lane, senior communications officer for the organization, and provided him with a full set of the printed evidence. *Science *and the American Association for the Advancement of Science have failed to respond.
RE: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters
You assume that all charges flow freely. The Electron Affinity for many molecules-materials in the earth-earth surface, buildings etc, ranges up to several electron volts. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 6:06:03 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Globally attractive or repulsive ? But again, this doesn't take into account the fact that charges flow freely on the Earth surface. Could you find no applet where charges can move freely on the surface of conductors? Surely there must exist one. Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters This CalTech Applet shows how a three-point distribution of positive charges surrounding a negative charge can feel a force from the ~0.5 megacoulomb excess negative charge of the earth. Induction or Tesla Coils sequencing? http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/EField/EField.html O +1 O -3 O +1 O +1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 (putative earth charge) Have fun.:-) Fred
Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters
Right, they don't move quite freely, but nearly. Many people's lives depend on Earth being a pretty bad insulator. Why use a globally neutral device BTW, rather than a net negative charge? Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters You assume that all charges flow freely. The Electron Affinity for many molecules-materials in the earth-earth surface, buildings etc, ranges up to several electron volts. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 6:06:03 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Globally attractive or repulsive ? But again, this doesn't take into account the fact that charges flow freely on the Earth surface. Could you find no applet where charges can move freely on the surface of conductors? Surely there must exist one. Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters This CalTech Applet shows how a three-point distribution of positive charges surrounding a negative charge can feel a force from the ~0.5 megacoulomb excess negative charge of the earth. Induction or Tesla Coils sequencing? http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/EField/EField.html O +1 O -3 O +1 O +1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 (putative earth charge) Have fun.:-) Fred
Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters
Some do, some don't. A net negative charge derived from the earth will leave a correponding image charge. Dipole-Multipole configuations exert a a net force in non-uniform electric fields such as the fair weather Field that exists between the earth and the ionosphere. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 6:50:04 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Right, they don't move quite freely, but nearly. Many people's lives depend on Earth being a pretty bad insulator. Why use a globally neutral device BTW, rather than a net negative charge? Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters You assume that all charges flow freely. The Electron Affinity for many molecules-materials in the earth-earth surface, buildings etc, ranges up to several electron volts. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 6:06:03 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Globally attractive or repulsive ? But again, this doesn't take into account the fact that charges flow freely on the Earth surface. Could you find no applet where charges can move freely on the surface of conductors? Surely there must exist one. Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters This CalTech Applet shows how a three-point distribution of positive charges surrounding a negative charge can feel a force from the ~0.5 megacoulomb excess negative charge of the earth. Induction or Tesla Coils sequencing? http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/EField/EField.html O +1 O -3 O +1 O +1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 (putative earth charge) Have fun.:-) Fred
Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters
- Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Some do, some don't. Well, ok :) A net negative charge derived from the earth will leave a correponding image charge. I am not sure image charge is the correct term here (my understanding is that image charge results precisely from the charge mobility we were discussing) but indeed it will remove some negative charge, but wouldn't this be negligible compared to total net negative charge of Earth? Have you done the calculations? Dipole-Multipole configuations exert a a net force in non-uniform electric fields such as the fair weather Field that exists between the earth and the ionosphere. Agreed, but it's a second order term so it's much less than a monopolar charge of the same amount! Michel Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 6:50:04 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Right, they don't move quite freely, but nearly. Many people's lives depend on Earth being a pretty bad insulator. Why use a globally neutral device BTW, rather than a net negative charge? Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters You assume that all charges flow freely. The Electron Affinity for many molecules-materials in the earth-earth surface, buildings etc, ranges up to several electron volts. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 6:06:03 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Globally attractive or repulsive ? But again, this doesn't take into account the fact that charges flow freely on the Earth surface. Could you find no applet where charges can move freely on the surface of conductors? Surely there must exist one. Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters This CalTech Applet shows how a three-point distribution of positive charges surrounding a negative charge can feel a force from the ~0.5 megacoulomb excess negative charge of the earth. Induction or Tesla Coils sequencing? http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/EField/EField.html O +1 O -3 O +1 O +1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 (putative earth charge) Have fun.:-) Fred
Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters
According to a NASA-JPL team I asked a couple of years BCF (Before Cold Fusion) the image charge and resulting force is equal to the charge drawn from the earth. They also stated that a Jovian Thunderbolt would also likely occur if enough charge to lift a craft was transferred from earth ground. Despite the higher order force drop-off the multipole configuration requires No Net Charge to exert a force in a non-uniform electric field. Hence if you are levitated over Coeur D' Alene or possibly the Moon in your computer-controlled Three-Point Lifter, you have something to maneuver with. :-) Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 7:17:25 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Some do, some don't. Well, ok :) A net negative charge derived from the earth will leave a corresponding image charge. I am not sure image charge is the correct term here (my understanding is that image charge results precisely from the charge mobility we were discussing) but indeed it will remove some negative charge, but wouldn't this be negligible compared to total net negative charge of Earth? Have you done the calculations? Dipole-Multipole configurations exert a net force in non-uniform electric fields such as the fair weather Field that exists between the earth and the ionosphere. Agreed, but it's a second order term so it's much less than a monopolar charge of the same amount! Michel Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 6:50:04 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Right, they don't move quite freely, but nearly. Many people's lives depend on Earth being a pretty bad insulator. Why use a globally neutral device BTW, rather than a net negative charge? Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters You assume that all charges flow freely. The Electron Affinity for many molecules-materials in the earth-earth surface, buildings etc, ranges up to several electron volts. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 6:06:03 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Globally attractive or repulsive ? But again, this doesn't take into account the fact that charges flow freely on the Earth surface. Could you find no applet where charges can move freely on the surface of conductors? Surely there must exist one. Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters This CalTech Applet shows how a three-point distribution of positive charges surrounding a negative charge can feel a force from the ~0.5 megacoulomb excess negative charge of the earth. Induction or Tesla Coils sequencing? http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/EField/EField.html O +1 O -3 O +1 O +1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 (putative earth charge) Have fun.:-) Fred
[Vo]: Re: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer)
A last word on this. It is true as was pointed out to me that correct original definition and dictionaries and textbooks are one thing, and usage is another thing. So it seemed to me only fair to check current usage as well. To Ed's discharge, a quick Google search shows that several other CF researchers e.g. J. Dash also write electrolysis of palladium, although the vast majority of them, especially the professional electrochemists among them e.g. M. Fleischmann, write electrolysis of heavy water for PF type experiments. Outside of CF Ed's use is much rarer (a handful of hits for electrolysis of platinum, hundreds of thousands for electrolysis of water) Anyway I would be happy if I could have modestly contributed to a better use of electrochemical terms in CF, since such better use and more rigorous scientific practises in general could only help recognition of CF research in mainstream science, which we would all welcome heartily. Michel P.S. Interestingly this discussion has shown that rightness or wrongness is not absolute but largely depends on who says, and on who hears. If a Dr Tempests had said I have analyzed a blood tester using blood everybody would have agreed he was wrong. Here Dr Storms said I have electrolyzed palladium using D2O and hardly anybody here even considered that he might be wrong. Even more interestingly maybe, Ed himself still doesn't seem to admit he could have been wrong or even a little inaccurate in his use of the terms, in spite of what Faraday and all present day dictionaries and textbooks may say. This is unfortunate for a scientist who in my view should always doubt. - Original Message - From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer) Yo Jed, it's not a matter of telling someone how to speak his native language. The vocabulary of science is meant to allow accurate communication between scientists, so that e.g. when one says electrolyzed or excess heat it means the same thing to everybody. Now Faraday lived a long time ago, that's true. Words do change over time, but when they do, traces of such changes usually can be found in recent dictionaries. Let's pick one at random: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/electrolyze e·lec·tro·lyze (-lktr-lz) tr.v. e·lec·tro·lyzed, e·lec·tro·lyz·ing, e·lec·tro·lyz·es To cause to decompose by electrolysis. Short of writing one up yourself, can you find a dictionary where the definition of 'electrolyze' is so different from the above that it could even remotely apply to the electrode rather than to the electrolyte? When you electrolyzed water at school, did you in fact electrolyze platinum? Does your car drive you? Someone has attacked me, virulently, not on the merits of my contribution, but on the way I communicated it with the drama and all. I will reply that all Ed had to do, instead of replying he didn't see what my problem was, was reach for a dictionary to see what the hell I could mean, realize his error, and reply gruffly but honestly right, my mistake, it's the D2O which is electrolyzed and there would have been no drama. That's what I expected him to do, like I would have expected any scientist, because that's what I would have done in his place. Now should scientists criticize each other over scientific communications? I think so, and I think CF in particular would be in better health if there had been less leniency towards each other's mistakes. Michel - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer) Michel Jullian wrote: How can you persist in this attempt to reivent the terms of electrochemistry? Whatever happens to the palladium, it is not 'electro-chemically decomposed' (the meaning of 'electrolyzed'), cf the Faraday quote. Yo, Michel: Don't tell a native speaker how to speak his own language. Words mean whatever we say they mean, and they are used however we use them. Words change over time. Faraday lived a long time ago. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters
- Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters According to a NASA-JPL team I asked a couple of years BCF (Before Cold Fusion) the image charge and resulting force is equal to the charge drawn from the earth. Never believe what anyone says ;-) They also stated that a Jovian Thunderbolt would also likely occur if enough charge to lift a craft was transferred from earth ground. This can be worked out using Paschen's law. Despite the higher order force drop-off the multipole configuration requires No Net Charge to exert a force in a non-uniform electric field. Sure. Hence if you are levitated over Coeur D' Alene or possibly the Moon in your computer-controlled Three-Point Lifter, you have something to maneuver with. :-) Maneuverability. Good point. Well, you have simulated the concept assuming zero charge mobility, see if it works too assuming full charge mobility: reality is somewhere in between! (closer to the latter I would think, maybe this point could be experimented) Michel Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 7:17:25 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Some do, some don't. Well, ok :) A net negative charge derived from the earth will leave a corresponding image charge. I am not sure image charge is the correct term here (my understanding is that image charge results precisely from the charge mobility we were discussing) but indeed it will remove some negative charge, but wouldn't this be negligible compared to total net negative charge of Earth? Have you done the calculations? Dipole-Multipole configurations exert a net force in non-uniform electric fields such as the fair weather Field that exists between the earth and the ionosphere. Agreed, but it's a second order term so it's much less than a monopolar charge of the same amount! Michel Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 6:50:04 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Right, they don't move quite freely, but nearly. Many people's lives depend on Earth being a pretty bad insulator. Why use a globally neutral device BTW, rather than a net negative charge? Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters You assume that all charges flow freely. The Electron Affinity for many molecules-materials in the earth-earth surface, buildings etc, ranges up to several electron volts. Fred [Original Message] From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 3/17/2007 6:06:03 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters Globally attractive or repulsive ? But again, this doesn't take into account the fact that charges flow freely on the Earth surface. Could you find no applet where charges can move freely on the surface of conductors? Surely there must exist one. Michel - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Three Phase Lifters This CalTech Applet shows how a three-point distribution of positive charges surrounding a negative charge can feel a force from the ~0.5 megacoulomb excess negative charge of the earth. Induction or Tesla Coils sequencing? http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~phys1/java/phys1/EField/EField.html O +1 O -3 O +1 O +1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 O -1 O -1O -1 O -1 (putative earth charge) Have fun.:-) Fred
RE: [Vo]: Re: Your ad hominem attack
Thank you for your unique insights Michel, I assume that excerpt had been inserted here for my own benefit. If by perchance you are the actual author I'd say you have a damned good career ahead of you as a SF writer, along with all of your current talents. I am impressed, honestly. Rest assured, I have been given assignments far more challenging than this on occasion. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com To Steven Vincent Johnson, Share and enjoy (mask the bottom halves of the letters, and read them in the local language of Eadrax) Michel Share and Enjoy is the company motto of the hugely successful Sirius Cybernetics Corporation Complaints division, which now covers the major land masses of three medium sized planets and is the only part of the Corporation to have shown a consistent profit in recent years. The motto stands --- or rather stood --- in three mile high illuminated letters near the Complaints Department spaceport on Eadrax. Unfortunately its weight was such that shortly after it was erected, the ground beneath the letters caved in and they dropped for nearly half their length through the offices of many talented young complaints executives --- now deceased. The protruding upper halves of the letters now appear, in the local language, to read ``Go stick your head in a pig'', and are no longer illuminated, except at times of special celebration. - Original Message - From: Steven Vincent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: [Vo]: SUBJECT: Jullian Opinions To Michel Jullian, I noticed you recently stated: It follows that saying palladium was electrolyzed in D2O+LiOD is like saying a blood tester was analyzed in blood, sounds absurd doesn't it? If it's too late to correct your book for such absurdities, could you correct at least the paper so it doesn't disgrace the lenr.org library? I scanned through past posts pertaining to the subject thread: Ed Storm's confusion (was Re: [Vo]: Cold Fusion skeptic Dr. Michael Shermer). I see you have made additional posts since then. I gather from your repeated attempts to draw Ed Storms into a dialogue with you that you have extensive knowledge in the field of electrochemistry, that you wish to put your accumulated experience to good use. I'm definitely not speaking from a humble perspective when I strongly suggest that it is not in anyone's best interest to attempt to educate others in a potentially manipulative manner. To inform an individual that they have in your opinion made an error in their work (such as in the title), but then deliberately not tell them specifically what the so-called error might be, as you initially did, is equivalent to a form of manipulative drama on the high seas. Such dialogue, ironically, focus more of the attention on you and the importance of your opinions rather than on the alleged mistake that needs to be corrected. It seems to me that if your objective had been to achieve resolution of the mistake, you would have revealed the specifics of said mistake up front. What I found interesting was the fact that initially you chose not to do so - repeatedly. Repeatedly, you left it as a big mystery - an unfolding drama. That suggests a very different agenda other than having Ed ! Storm's best interests in mind. Performing drama of this nature in a public form should only be conducted by an experienced teacher. Indeed, teachers occasionally DO resort to this tactic if they are sure the students participating in the public dialogue will actually learn something valuable. The best teachers, the most honorable ones, have their student's best interests in mind. Others, on the other hand, who self-appoint themselves in the role of a teacher who then use this tactic on the targeted student are not so much interested in the welfare of their student or even in the learning process for that matter. They are more interested in propagating their personal opinions, attaching importance to them. Maybe you ARE a teacher, professionally speaking. I really don't know. Maybe you are even a GOOD teacher. Perhaps certain teachers really DO need the equivalent of an opinionated attention getting EGO in order to teach the good lessons. Nevertheless, a question you might want to ask yourself is: Did Ed Storm ever ask you to assume the role of a teacher for his educational benefit? And whose benefit was the initial exchange really meant for? Now that the incorrect use of terminology, the dirty laundry you attribute to Storm's title is finally out in the open, the ramifications for all to ponder deeply including your suggested corrections, I noticed you are now stating that his book contains absurdities, that if published as-is, could ...disgrace the lenr.org library. You are entitled to your opinions. With not so many Regards, Steven
Re: [Vo]: Re: Your ad hominem attack
Peace Steven, I am tired of this trial for crime of Lèse Majesté http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se_majest%C3%A9 The excerpt was from The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas Adams, sorry I forgot to attribute it. Michel - Original Message - From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: Your ad hominem attack Thank you for your unique insights Michel, I assume that excerpt had been inserted here for my own benefit. If by
RE: [Vo]: Re: Your ad hominem attack
Peace Michel, as am I. Douglas Adams, of course! Why didn't I recognize his timeless satire. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.orionworks.com -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:21 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Your ad hominem attack Peace Steven, I am tired of this trial for crime of Lèse Majesté http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se_majest%C3%A9 The excerpt was from The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas Adams, sorry I forgot to attribute it. Michel - Original Message - From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: Your ad hominem attack Thank you for your unique insights Michel, I assume that excerpt had been inserted here for my own benefit. If by
Re: [Vo]: Re: Your ad hominem attack
On 3/17/07, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas Adams, of course! Why didn't I recognize his timeless satire. Not necessarily timeless; but, more likely, infinitely improbable. ;-) T
Re: [Vo]: Supermag WTF?
*350 Engineers Wanted for SuperMag Productionhttp://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=222663 (http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=222663)* - The company is now seeking a team of 350 electrical engineers from around the world to join its production team for the SuperMag electrical generator, to contact the company and to present their résumés in anticipation of a positive independent evaluation of the technology. They will also be seeking international marketers and financiers to take this technology to the international markets. (*Market Wire*; Mar. 5, 2007) On 19/01/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/15/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is pump/dump. The stock has gone from $0.05 to $0.65 in a few months. SVET is now trading at $1.75, up $1.10 since this report. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Re: Di-Ozone
Zachary Jones wrote: Funny that ORMUS comes up here - a nice emergence. I worked with Barry a while ago; even pitched the ozonation tech he is connected with at a DOE shindig in 2001. I have a giant poster session in a closet somewheres. Seems like an age ago. Interesting post Zachary. I have posted Barry's website on this list in the past. He was doing an emailing list. There were some people locally who had purchased his traps and were collecting the material in question, ORMES. I haven't heard from him, or them lately, are the traps still available? I assume that you've purchased one of the traps? OTOH, I know what happens when you assume. Did you collect any of the ORMES material? Did you test it? Did you ingest it? Did it affect your health? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
[Vo]: nuke question
R.C.Macaulay wrote: Because the projectile could be tuned to either/or focus or impact. Strange account of a battle predicted centuries ago where the flesh,eyes and tongue will rot while they are still standing ( bones remain) Zec: 14. This description seems to indicate a type of a ray gun, however, the projectile does not knock the person off their feet.. only dissolves the flesh. One of the Eschatologists that I listen to says that this would be the effects of a neutron bomb too. However, I don't know what the effects of an N B would be. The Savage was interviewing a man on the subject of miniature atom bombs. He said that they could be made as small as 6 X 18 and as light as 60 pounds. He was going on about how Al Queda has smuggled one or more of them into America. I have heard else where that a miniature nuke would require tritium, so it would have a short life time. IMHO, if they had something like that, they would use it. He continued, the yield of such a device would be 10 K tons, the last time I heard, the yield was 1 k ton. Fortunately, a miniature nuke is difficult to build. He said that Pakistan has a nuclear lab that is capable of building such a device.The best way to catch a lier is in the details. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
[Vo]: honey bee story
Vortexians; Last night's guest on C to C AM was Linda Molton Howe of Earth Files .com . She has been following the story of the disappearing honey bees, which AFAIK, has not broken in the main stream media. My friend said. There may be a lnk to the GMO plants and fungicides and this problem. - Einstein once said, If the honey bees disappear so will we. And I replied; LMH used the program as a bully pulpit to attack GMO's. Unfortunately it doesn't fit with the facts. The bees aren't dying, they are disappearing. The empty hive doesn't attract the usual scavengers. If there were an accumulation of bioengineered pesticides, the scientists would have found them. Trust me, they are looking for them, publishing something like that would make a career, or several. There is only one other instance where this happens, cattle mutilations. Scavengers don't eat the cow's caucus. If I told you that a reptilian creature, which tells lies, had sucked the blood out of an animal and removed some of the bodily orifices, it would be immediately obvious to most Christians what sort of entity it was. If the Space Brothers are responsible for the disappearance of the honey bees, then they are following their agenda of reducing the human population. This isn't apparent to LMH, of course, she is quite New Age, as is George Nooray, the host. I'm looking for ideas on measuring changes in the empty hives or carcases which would account for the lack of scavenging. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
